Dominionists control voting machine companies!! Want to "restore" Constitution!!

[happydreams]

There is alot of stuff now coming out about the exteme right-wing leanings of Palin (Palineo-conservative?

Note: this also establishes Palins link to Bush via dominionism.

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In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm







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http://context.themoscowtimes.com/index.php?aid=131199

If you haven't heard the words Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,
Dominionists, Council for National Policy, tycoon Harold Ahmanson,
Reconstructionist Christians, you need to read the following
column and google Reconstructionist Christians to see what
their vile and dangerous agenda is. It's vital that everyone
on DU knows this stuff...that's why I didn't post it in
the Religious forum.



If enacted, the Constitution Restoration Act will effectively transform the United States into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" can override law.

By Chris Floyd
Published: March 12, 2004

snip-
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is no joke; it was introduced last month by some of the Bush Regime's most powerful Congressional sycophants. If enacted, it will effectively transform the American republic into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" -- as interpreted by a judge, policeman, bureaucrat or president -- can override the rule of law.

snip

According to Dominionist literature, "biblical rule" means execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals and other "revelers in licentiousness"; massive tax cuts for the rich (because "wealth is a mark of God's favor"); the elimination of government programs to alleviate poverty and sickness (because these depend on "confiscation of wealth"); and enslavement for debtors. No legal challenges to "God's order" will be allowed. And because this order is divinely ordained, the "elect" can use any means necessary to establish it, including deception, subversion, even violence. As Robertson himself adjures the faithful: "Zealous men force their way in."

The Dominionist movement was founded by the late R.J. Rushdoony, a busy beaver who also co-founded the Council for National Policy. The CNP is the politburo of the American conservative movement, filled with top-rank political and business leaders who set the national agenda for the vast echo chamber of right-wing foundations, publishers, media networks and universities that have schooled a whole generation in obscurantist bile -- just as the extremist Wahabbi religious schools funded by Saudi billionaires have poisoned the Islamic world with hatred and ignorance.

One of the chief moneybags behind the rise of Dominionism was tycoon Harold Ahmanson, Rushdoony's protege and fellow CNP member. In addition to establishing theocracy in America, Ahmanson has another abiding interest: computerized voting machines. As reported here last year, Ahmanson, a fervent Bush backer, was instrumental in establishing two of the Republican-controlled companies now rushing to install their highly hackable machines -- with untraceable, unrecountable electronic ballots -- across the country in time for the November election.

The Dominionists also have strong backing on the Supreme Court, Yurica notes. Justice Antonin Scalia, author of the unconstitutional ruling that gave Bush the presidency, declared in the theological journal First Things that the state derives its moral authority from God, not the "consent of the governed," as that old licentious reveler Thomas Jefferson held in the Declaration of Independence. No, government "is the 'minister of God' with powers to 'revenge,' to 'execute wrath,' including even wrath by the sword," Scalia wrote. He railed against the "tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government."







http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3016509

[BrklynLib at work]

1. Yes..and they are scary as hell. They are just as bad as any other religious fanatics. They could

rightly be called the AMerican Taliban. If all their dreams would be realized, we would be in the same shoes as the other Fanatic Theocratic countries in this world.
Their ideas on the "place" of women in society, punishment of gays, adulterers, and anyone else who does not abide strictly by their rules hearkens back to the days of old. Stoning is considered a reasonable punishment.

There are Dominionists in some very high places of the Neo-Con Bush administration. It is terrifying to think what they want to do..and what they could do if someone like the barracuda actually got into power.
Bush merely pandered to these folks for their votes. Barracuda REALLY believes all this horror.

One must know their enemy..
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

Practices:
If they gained control of the US or Canadian federal government, there would be many changes:

The use of the death penalty would be greatly expanded, when the Hebrew Scriptures' laws are reapplied. People will be executed for adultery, blasphemy, heresy, homosexual behavior, idolatry, prostitution, evil sorcery (some translations say Witchcraft), etc. The Bible requires those found guilty of these "crimes" to be either stoned to death or burned alive. Reconstructionists are divided on the execution method to be used.
A church or congregation which does not accept the Mosaic Law has another god before them, and is thus guilty of idolatry. That would be punishable by death. That would include all non-Christian religious organizations. At the present time, non-Christians total two-thirds of the human race.
The status of women would be reduced to almost that of a slave as described in the Hebrew Scriptures. A woman would initially be considered the property of her father; after marriage, she would be considered the property of her husband.
It would be logical to assume that the institution of slavery would be reintroduced, and regulated according to Biblical laws. Fathers could sell their daughters into slavery. Female slaves would retain that status for life. Slave owners would be allowed to physically abuse them, as long as the slaves lived for at least a day before dying of the beating. 9
Polygyny and the keeping of concubines were permitted in the Old Testament. However, Reconstructionists generally believe in marriage between one man and one woman only. Any other sexual expression would be a capital crime. Those found guilty of engaging in same-sex, pre-marital or extra-marital sex would be executed.
The Old Testament "Jubilee Year" system would be celebrated once more. Every 50 years, the control of all land reverted to its original owners. In theory, this would require every part of North American land to be returned to the original Aboriginal owners (or perhaps to those persons of Aboriginal descent who are now Christians). Hawaii would be given back to the native Hawaiians.
Governments would all have balanced budgets.
Income taxes would be eliminated.
The prison system would be eliminated. A system of just restitution would be established for some crimes. The death penalty would be practiced for many other crimes. There would be little need for warehousing of convicted criminals.
Legal abortions would be banished; those found to be responsible for abortions would be charged with murder and executed.

The reinstitution of slavery appears to be a hot button item among Reconstructionists. We have received a few negative E-mails which complained that the movement does not recommend the resumption of human slavery. But we have received many more Emails from Reconstructionists claiming that legalizing slavery would be good for North America.

[happydreams]

2. "American Taliban". That sounds like a good title for a book!

:hi:

[BrklynLib at work]

3. If these guys get incontrol..all the books except the Bible would probably be burned.

They really scare me to death. This is not just some small, isolated sect somewhere. There are people with money and influence and power..and in our government, who actually believe this stuff...including..I believe..the barracuda.

[hootinholler]

10. I call them Talibornagin n/t

[seemslikeadream]

17. "American Taliban".

:hug:


HOWARD ABMANSON JR.

[happydreams]

30. LOL! Looks like I got the cover of the book....I lost the link to your high rec topic on this.

:hi:

[BrklynLib at work]

4. " the elimination of government programs to alleviate poverty and sickness "

Since the barracuda has been going on and on about her support for help to parents of disabled children...much like the Downs Syndrome child she "gave birth to"..I am wondering how that would fit into the big picture that these folks believe in.

I find it really horrifying that she has no qualms about using her children any way she can, all of them..to further her private ambitions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Rumor has it these folks put her forth to be the VEEP

so smoke and mirrors come to mind

[patriotvoice]

5. They live by the sword, and they shall die by the sword:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
-- 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution

[OxQQme]

6. OK then, here's the Puritans arising again.

maybe we could gather them up willingly, by convincing them this is really hell, place them on a ship (let's call it the Mayfleur, or some such)and launch them across the vacuum sea. They could start their own colony again. bye bye
It would be in their best interests.

[patriotvoice]

7. Yes, it would be. Assimiliate under our conditions, or move. That's the American way. EOM

[Lochloosa]

8. Here is a thread I posted earlier today with a link to a good Rolling Stone article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6997001&mesg_id=6997001

[Lochloosa]

9. And here is their Pledge of Allegiance.....scarey shit

There Pledge of Allegiance:

: "I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands. One Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe."

[FatDave]

11. Secularists need to organize.

And we need to do it yesterday. Our numbers are as strong or stronger than the hysterical babbling snake handlers. The only thing they have is organization.

[bluesmail]

12. Council on National Policy > Privitization

and More! http://watch.pair.com/cnp.html

[Shallah Kali]

13. Operation Potomac Taking Advantage Of The 'Faith-Based' Atmosphere In Washington, Christian Reconst

Taking Advantage Of The 'Faith-Based' Atmosphere In Washington, Christian Reconstructionists -- The Most Radical Fringe Of The Religious Right -- Are Marching Into The U.S. Capitol And The White House
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5628&abbr=cs_

Theocracy Watch
http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Talk2Action
http://www.talk2action.org

[and-justice-for-all]

14. I despise those fuckers...nt

[underseasurveyor]

15. Here kitty kitty kitty

[MiniMe]

18. Sounds like a good reason to vote for a constitutional lawyer

Hmmm, now which candidate is a constitutional lawyer.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. K&R

[knitter4democracy]

20. They believe in a divine right to rule?!

That's what "government from God" means--the divine right of kings/rulers to rule as they see fit. What the hell did we fight our Revolution for?!

These people are crazy and need to be stopped!

[crickets]

21. The blood runs cold on reading this:

Justice Antonin Scalia, author of the unconstitutional ruling that gave Bush the presidency, declared in the theological journal First Things that the state derives its moral authority from God, not the "consent of the governed," as that old licentious reveler Thomas Jefferson held in the Declaration of Independence. No, government "is the 'minister of God' with powers to 'revenge,' to 'execute wrath,' including even wrath by the sword," Scalia wrote. He railed against the "tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government."

Gobsmacked in a really, really bad way. The consent of the governed is the very backbone of our system. If anybody ever wanted a quintessential example of unAmerican thinking, that one qualifies at the top of the list. And from a Supreme Court justice, no less?

Hold me.

[knitter4democracy]

22. That's what got to me in reading the article.

How the hell could a SC Justice believe in freakin' divine right to rule?!?! This, this should be enough to impeach him. If he doesn't believe in the consent of the governed--if he's against what our Founding Fathers and Mothers fought and died for--then he needs to get his ass out of our Court.

[crickets]

24. I couldn't agree with you more.

The SC Justice who doesn't recognize that the government derives its "just powers from the consent of the governed" is not qualified for the post and should be disqualified from holding it.

[Sebastian Doyle]

23. Scalia is Opus Dei

That's the Catholic division of the Dominionists. Though I suppose if Dominionism ever did take over this country, there would be a war between the Protestant Dominionist Crazies and the Catholic Opus Dei Crazies to see who would establish "God's Kingdom".

These freaks have their theology backwards anyway. Jesus said repeatedly that "My kingdom is not of this world" and that it would not be so until He came back to establish it Himself. Creating a Dominionist government wouldn't be the Kingdom of God, but merely another fascist dictatorship.

[crickets]

25. This explains much about his outlook.

It doesn't explain how he keeps his job after publishing such comments.

God’s Justice and Ours
http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2022

I've skimmed the article, but only closely read about a third of it, along with the paragraph about 'moral authority'... the mind, she boggles. Goodness knows, he's entitled to his religious beliefs, but the extent to which he is entwining theology and a discussion of law just floors me. Do other SC Justices do this, or have they in the past?

[knitter4democracy]

27. *shudder* Scary, crazy people.

I taught in a girls school that the local Opus Dei group was trying to take over. I learned more than I wanted to know about them from their tactics there.

You know, he could do that in his private life--if he could keep it separate from his job. I don't think he can, though, since he has made rulings that were obviously based on this crap, the more I think about it. Freakin' scary that he's in our Court.

[Karenina]

26. Read Leo Strauss. Then check out his high-profile students at Chicago.

[happydreams]

29. Very, Very nice connection! Thanks.

[Hugabear]

28. If Palin ever becomes president, there will be a huge American exodus

I never thought I'd see the day when tens of thousands of Americans would be seeking asylum in other countries. If Palin becomes president, that is exactly what we'll see.

[happydreams]

31. When does this become treason?

I mean if someone takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and is at the same time trying to do away with it, it seems to me they are, arguably of course, traitors.