How Disingenuous Can You Be Before You're Actually Lying?

[laststeamtrain]

How Disingenuous Can You Be Before You're Actually Lying?

John McCain criticized Barack Obama for being soft on military matters on Monday, telling an audience in Lee's Summit, Missouri:

"Of course, now (Obama) wants to increase (the size of the military). But during the primary he told a liberal advocacy group that he'd cut defense spending by tens of billions of dollars. He promised them he would, quote, 'slow our development of future combat systems.'"

Before I explain why that's stunningly disingenuous, let me point you to the Obama statement that gives rise to John McCain's opprobrium.

"I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems."

Here's the deal. The "future combat systems" that McCain says Obama will jeopardize is actually Future Combat Systems, a specific, controversial program within the DOD that John McCain himself has suggested eliminating. Here's McCain's top policy man explaining to the Washington Post what spending cuts McCain will use to balance the budget:

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[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. McCain is a craven fuck

Maybe even worse than Fuckface In The Oval Office, which is saying something, I know.

He'd blow Satan on national TV at 9 pm on a Wednesday night if he thought it would win him the Presidency.

I'd blow Satan on national TV at 9 pm on a Wednesday night to keep McCain from getting the Presidency.

[rzemanfl]

2. Hi! I am Satan and you can skip the TV part, tomorrow is

Wednesday. PM me for the address.

[Mnemosyne]

3. .

:spank::rofl:

[rzemanfl]

7. Tangerine LaBamba really wants me. Word gets around....n/t

[Mnemosyne]

19. It's Wednesday!

:spank:

[magellan]

4. !

:spray:

[rzemanfl]

8. You should see her pictures on the Internet. You have to pay,

though.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. For you, Cupcake,

it's all free.

Now, bend over and say "Ah!"

[rzemanfl]

10. You talk so nasty sometimes. n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. That's free, too,

but only because it's you.

However, if you want the photos in 3D, as you requested, there will be a slight service fee.

[rzemanfl]

12. Just send two of each and I will use the old steriopticon. n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

13. If I recall correctly,

you're the cross-eyed guy.

Don't they work the same way?

[rzemanfl]

15. My eyes only cross in the throes of passion, but of course, that's

the way you'd remember me, curly toes.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

16. That WAS you!!!

Can you bring along some paper towels and Mr. Clean to get those footprints off the car's ceiling liner?

[rzemanfl]

20. I'll rent a convertible from Hertz. I bet the dashboard will rattle

though....

[Cleita]

5. I don't know. Disingenuous to me is just a nice word for lying.

It can be taking words out of context or ignoring facts but it's still lying.

[EFerrari]

6. The limit is what people will believe, not what you are doing.

Lying is lying.

[Lex]

14. McCain knows Republican voters are stupid, so it doesn't matter

if he lies about his own record.

[bemildred]

17. Lying is a matter of intent, intent to mislead or decieve.

You can be stating obvious drivel, and you are not lying if you believe it. That is making false assertions, but it is not lying.

This is what the weasels in the state propaganda organs rely on, they are very good at adopting temporary beliefs, and changing them on a moments notice, as they are ordered to.

Of course, you can also believe nothing, and then you can safely say anything you like.

[sendero]

18. Exactly...

... any statement made with the INTENTION to mislead is a LIE.

George Bush can barely say 2 sentences without lying.