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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:51 AM
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Ike : DHS would have to haul away 151 million lbs of unwieldy pipe filled with concrete in 24 hours.
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Congress mandated that the construction of 670 miles of wall along the border between the United States and Mexico, including 70 miles in the Rio Grande Valley, to be finished by Dec. 31, 2008. So far, only two segments of the wall - both in Hidalgo County - have actually been started, and construction on the other five Hidalgo County segments is expected to begin by early next month, reports The Brownsville Herald.

As we reported:

After the Federal Emergency Management Agency determined the 40-year-old levees along the Rio Grande were inadequate to handle potential floods, DHS – FEMA’s parent agency -- saw the need for repairs as a way to advance their goal of a border wall.

Although many Texas officials from the affected counties have fought against the border wall, many have come to support the plan that combines the border wall with the much-needed levee repairs that would hold back floodwater from a swollen Rio Grande. FEMA announced last spring that if the levees weren't repaired, much of Hidalgo County would be designated a special flood hazard area.

But the Texas Border Coalition (TBC), a collective of Texas border mayors, county judges, and economic development commissions, has criticized the dangers of the wall’s construction in the middle of hurricane season.

“The footings of the levees are being destroyed in the construction process so that the Department of Homeland Security can erect 18-foot concrete walls in their place. It is incredibly short-sighted that the government would open the levees at the same time that the danger is highest for devastating floods in the middle of hurricane season,” Eagle Pass, Texas Mayor Chad Foster said in a press release following Hurricane Dolly.

TBC has also criticized DHS’ plans for a moveable wall, something they argue is not a sustainable or a realistic option during a hurricane evacuation. According to a recent TBC press release:

…DHS says it will construct 14 miles of fencing that can be removed when a hurricane bears down on Roma, Rio Grande City and Los Ebanos in Texas. The movable wall would be made of 89,000 steel bollards, each 18 feet above ground. Each bollard, filled with concrete to 10 feet high, would weight about 1,700 pounds. To achieve its goal of removing the wall during a hurricane, DHS would have to haul away 151 million pounds of unwieldy pipe filled with concrete in 24 hours.

"No one with experience managing an evacuation in advance of a hurricane believes that the DHS plan has any foundation in reality,” Foster said. “DHS planners have engineered a fantasy.”

With the Texas coast’s large number of poor people and immigrants, and questionable safety of border wall and levee projects, the risk posed by Hurricane Ike continues to grow.
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/09/ike-coverage-most-vulnerable.asp

Assholes! Under the guise of constuction and repair, there is a heinous motive!

What else have their motives been under the cover of "helping people?":banghead:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:56 AM
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1. someday people will learn that the government is not in the business of 'helping' people
quite the opposite, in fact. It's in the business of terrifying and exploiting people to enrich the lives of the top 1%.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:01 AM
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2. You mean THIS govenrment
Under a Gore presidency, people would have KNOWN that the government is there to help them.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:26 AM
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5. well, this government has taken it to a new level, but
every government I've lived under, with the possible exception of Carter's has been the same, although to varying degrees.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:02 AM
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3. And yet, each November election cycle we send the same group
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 07:05 AM by usnret88
back to do the same old things. Perhaps if we replaced the House members every two years, and the Senate every six, some of the problems would vanish along with the outgoing members.

edited to remove duplicate wording in subject line and message
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:04 AM
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4. OhOh!!!
Well here comes Ike.

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:04 AM
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8. Oh, wow! That thing is filling up the entire Gulf
I'm sure there have been several others, but I've never seen one that wide before.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:51 AM
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6. nah, they want their crappy wall
doesn't matter that it would be ugly, destroy the environment, destroy our views, and not work anyway. But at least Fred & Martha Framus in Little Podunk, PA would feel "safe" knowing that them "messicans" wouldn't be coming across to "steal" their jobs. :eyes:

dg
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:20 AM
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7. They need one of these:


The part *under* the space shuttle, for you jokers.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:16 AM
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11. Actually they'd need 14 of those..
The transporter can only move 11 million pounds at a time.

Of course this assumes that whatever we are moving actually fits on a transporter and is relatively compact. The DHS Fence/levee does not sound amenable to moving in this manner.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:07 AM
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9. Ideology over Physics... The Bush Principle...
In reality Physics always wins...

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:14 AM
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10. wow are those "people" stupid?
or just evil.
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