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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:54 AM
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Has any US politician ever said war with Russia would be acceptable before?
I don't think so because most intelligent people know that doing so would be the end of the world.

I can't imagine any politician saying this without being sized up for a straitjacket before they hurt themselves or others.

Don
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:55 AM
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1. Reagan publicly fantasized about it. n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:14 AM
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13. Reagan fantasized about bombing Russia
But I don't think he contemplated the aftermath of such an event.

Conservative nutcases don't deal well with details.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:11 AM
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22. For all of his fantasizing
he knew better than to start a war with the USSR, and so did his advisors. Nearly every president rattled the saber (and every premier), but both sides knew, deep down, that neither could actually win it.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:58 AM
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2. She is really scary. We really don't want to mess with Russia. n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:59 AM
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3. apparently, many have forgotten about the M.A.D. doctrine
which is a prime example of the danger of ignorance and arrogance.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:03 AM
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6. Oh, but we're the sole remaining super power
As they're so fond of telling us. Everyone else's nuclear weapons just evaporated when that happened right?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:01 AM
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4. It is not, nor ever should be an option.
Stupidest thing I have ever heard from a candidate. No matter how poorly the question is worded, you never even hint to that.

She has no clue about the "rules" or parameters of how to speak of foreign affairs. It is clear that ALL she knows is that she can see Russia from there.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:02 AM
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5. I had to grow up with Uncle Ronnie constantly scaring the shit out of me
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 07:02 AM by shadowknows69
Half of my childhood nightmares were of New Clear holocaust. Now we're losing two wars and Mrs. Moose wants to tussle with a bear. Fuck this shit.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:05 AM
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7. No. You can be tough publicly but you must back channel
with a country for a solution such as Kennedy did.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:06 AM
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8. But she's kind of young and attractive for a female politician....
she even has political street cred because she wears glasses. Nevermind that she's a vapid, ex beauty queen that likes to shoot moose and wolves with AK47's from helicopters.

Uneffin' believable. Just when you thought the US couldn't get stranger, the right wing astonishes us all, even the msm.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:07 AM
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9. It is a topic that
deserves further discussion. The most obvious next question is what exactly does Sarah Palin think a war with Russia would entail? What are the goals? What results would she hope to achieve? What are the potential risks, in her opinion?

I suspect that Joseph Biden will focus on these questions, come debate time.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:12 AM
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12. It is a topic that deserves further discussion?
If any Dem would have made a blunder like that they would have be run out of town on a rail by our media as unstable.

And I would have agreed with that.

This needs to be beat to death.

These people are very dangerous.

Don
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:43 AM
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17. Oh, I agree
with you. I think she was exposed as a fool. And that, of course, is why it deserves more attention.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:20 AM
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14. I don't knnow if you've noticed H2O
But the Rethugs aren't so good at the stratergizin' of the war; just the startin of it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:44 AM
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18. Exactly.
Hence the advantage of exposing her fully.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:40 AM
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15. More to the point
I wanted Gibson to delve a little deeper. It's not exactly a secret that we would defend NATO allies. I want her answers to these questions:

1. Why does she think that Russia wasn't provoked? I really wish that Gibson would have pressed her on that comment. Russia's response was certainly over the top, but it wasn't exactly unprovoked.

2. And *why* exactly does *she* want Georgia in NATO? Because Bush and McSame do? Because of the BTC pipeline? I just wanted to hear it in her words. It seems to me that Georgia is just a little bit too reckless for NATO consideration. While it's true that USSR/Russia has never attacked a NATO member, a NATO member has never gone out of its way to poke the bear. Don't start nothing; won't be nothing.

3. Why does *she* support Georgia apparently with no qualifications? (Same question regarding her support for Israel.) Because they broke away from Russia? Then why does she not support the two territories that wish to break away from Georgia?

All hell, what the fuck do I know? I'm just a dumb engineer; she's the one with a bachelor's degree in communications from the University of Idaho.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:45 AM
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19. Great questions.
She has given our party the opportunity to put the focus on her glaring lack of insight and qualifications.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:40 AM
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16. More to the point
I wanted Gibson to delve a little deeper. It's not exactly a secret that we would defend NATO allies. I want her answers to these questions:

1. Why does she think that Russia wasn't provoked? I really wish that Gibson would have pressed her on that comment. Russia's response was certainly over the top, but it wasn't exactly unprovoked.

2. And *why* exactly does *she* want Georgia in NATO? Because Bush and McSame do? Because of the BTC pipeline? I just wanted to hear it in her words. It seems to me that Georgia is just a little bit too reckless for NATO consideration. While it's true that USSR/Russia has never attacked a NATO member, a NATO member has never gone out of its way to poke the bear. Don't start nothing; won't be nothing.

3. Why does *she* support Georgia apparently with no qualifications? (Same question regarding her support for Israel.) Because they broke away from Russia? Then why does she not support the two territories that wish to break away from Georgia?

All hell, what the fuck do I know? I'm just a dumb engineer; she's the one with a bachelor's degree in communications from the University of Idaho.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:20 AM
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25. Like walking a teenager though the consequences of a really bad choice.
"So, if you jump off the bridge, what do you think will happen next?"

:scared:
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:08 AM
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10. No, not ever Goldwater
and no one in their right mind would vote for her.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:11 AM
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11. She is batshit crazy and I am scared to death that she could become President
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:06 AM
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20. she like most fundies won't change their tunes on war until
someone like her son gets seriously wounded in Iraq. they suddenly the reality of her bullshit hits her in the face.

Fundies speak without thinking, they support without research, and they cheer because they are told to do so.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:08 AM
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21. These rapture-ready dipshits can't wait for the end
Hence, she wants to go to war with russia.

Yay jesus.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:17 AM
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23. Well no, but believe me most Repugs I know
will think that was great "she tells it like it is". She should have said I will "nuke them" and about 1/2 the Republican Party would have aleady figured a way to get rid of McCain and run her as POTUS by now.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:39 AM
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24. She said the Russian attack on Georgia was unprovoked
Well even if she was right about that the Russians would have been perfectly justified attacking Georgia according to the Bush Doctrine. The US had troops in Georgia training their Army, Georgia is their next door neighbor so Russia was under eminent danger and had to make a preemptive strike.
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