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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:30 AM
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In defense of Sarah Palin
the Bush Doctrine has changed so many flipping times it is hard to know what it is at any point in time. My wife asked me what it was last night and I think I gave her some of the various changes but I know there were many others.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:31 AM
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1. No offense, but is your wife running for the VP position? eoq
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:34 AM
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5. okay you got me!!
I am billy bob palin! lol

i know that if anything else she was not well prepared for this.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:47 AM
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18. You know, I want a leader that "rings the bell, top of the pole" in the knowledge
department.

I guessed based on the words Bush and Doctrine, and the fact that he's a bully, but I want someone who KNOWS. IOW, I want someone a whole lot smarter than me.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:34 AM
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7. My dog didn't know what it was either
Even though their have been tons of books and papers on it
in the last 7 years. I really need to work on her training, I probably need
to call the dog whisperer.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:32 AM
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2. Your defense of Palin is why Democrats lose elections.
Haven't we learned anything?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:33 AM
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3. Too bad that wasn't how the question was answered.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:35 AM
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8. exactly
If her and McGoo were truly "reformers", she would have said "well, he's gone through so many flip-flops as to what his doctrine actually is, it's hard to keep up...that's something we're out to change"

But she didn't, she choked. Massive Fail.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:34 AM
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4. Then Palin should have asked to which one he was referring to.
If you aspire to be the President passes are hard to come by and Palin doesn't earn one here.
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:34 AM
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6. THIS is the real Bush Doctrine:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:35 AM
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9. Maybe you could clue us in on all those changes.
My take is it hasn't changed one iota. It still seems to me to be if we suspect anyone of harboring bad thoughts against the USA we can take them out no matter where they are in the world. We can do that before any crime or action of any sort has actually been done. That in it's essence is the Bush* Doctrine. If the USA suspects they may at some time in the future be a danger it gives us the "right" to take them out.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:44 AM
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16. the public changes have been
1. take out islamic terrorist
2. spread democracy around the world
3. take out bad bad men
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:52 AM
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23. Not really. That is the political spiel to fool people.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:36 AM
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10. the basic premise of the bush doctrine hasn't changed
the details change to fit the spin of the day

basic premise: we can attack anyone at anytime in anyway we want
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:36 AM
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11. Even with clues she had no idea what Chuck was talking about. nt
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:37 AM
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12. It is her duty and obligation to know the answer to that question
given the position that she claims she's qualified for. There is no defense of Palin...none. My guess is that what she knows about the world right now she learned from Fox News, hence the old, thoroughly debunked claim that Iraq was behind the 911 attacks.

You need to find someone a bit more worthy of your pity. This person doesn't deserve it.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:37 AM
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13. Her mistake was trying to bluff her way through it...
she was already looking like a fish flopping around on the deck, that just sealed it right here. The correct answer to that would be, "I'm sorry, Charlie I'm not sure what you mean by Bush Doctrine".
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:50 AM
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21. Ding, ding, ding...you win the prize! :) n/t
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:41 AM
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14. Many good responses here...
May I add that your wife KNEW what a doctrine was an knew it has 'shifted' over the past 8 years....

It was obvious Palin had never heard the word before.

And...we really need for dems to stop apologizing for republicans -- especially inept republicans who could well be president.

Raise the bar!
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:43 AM
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15. agreed
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:47 AM
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17. agreed that when you choose someone to be your running mate
they should have an idea what is going on.

actually she reminds me of ross perots running mate way back when. {"what am i doing here?")
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:48 AM
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19. no it hasn't. it's pre-emptive war. period. no change.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:59 AM
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26. There is a difference in degree between Pre-emptive and Preventative, with Preventative being the
more extreme policy in it's lower threshold for being proactively violent.

Pre-emption is thought to be more reasonable in that a defined behavioral "cause" is identified and pre-empted by attack.

The Bush Doctrine is actually Preventative War.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:14 AM
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34. eggs-actly
and it hasn't changed a bit in 7 years
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:49 AM
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20. No, it hasn't changed, not one bit
It was laid out in black and white in the Sept '02 NSC report:

"The United States has long maintained the option of preemptive actions to counter a sufficient threat to our national security. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction -- and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively."

You can read the entire thing for yourself <http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf>

The fact that Palin hasn't read this document, and frankly before last night didn't have a clue as to what the Bush Doctrine was once again speaks volumes about her lack of experience and lack of knowledge needed to hold the second, and possibly the highest office in the land. She's again proven that she's an airheaded twit who is in way over her head.

Let me ask you this, if it had been Obama who had made such a gaffe, do you think that the 'Pugs and MSM would be trying to brush it off? No, they'd be pouncing all over it(and rightly so). So why are you trying to excuse Palin?

Sorry, but this is another Palin fuck-up, and hopefully the entire nation is seeing her for what she is, a clueless, brainless inexperienced leader who isn't fit for the VP slot.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:50 AM
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22. The woman just sent her son off to Kill or Be Killed and she didn't wonder about HOW
all of this happened? Whether it was/is Necessary? When and under what conditions it might happen AGAIN?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:54 AM
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24. She still thinks Iraq and 9/11 are connected..
she said so in her speech yesterday when she sent her son off. The woman truly has NO CLUE.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:01 AM
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28. The Truth doesn't matter to these Blasphemers who think it okay to kill Innocent People
in order to at best threaten al Qaeda-esque organizations.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:56 AM
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25. She's supposed to be able to answer the question
so, she requires no defense. If she can't answer, that's her fault.

Aside, I'm glad to see that there are repubs that believe in the "War on Terror" enough to send their children to fight in it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:00 AM
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27. In defense of Sarah Palin............ WHY? n/t
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:07 AM
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30. jeez..... n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:10 AM
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32. my htoughts exactly. but lets expand. if you dont know something, ask
dont bullshit an answer that makes you look stupid.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:05 AM
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29. If she didn't know what the bush doctrine was, why didn't she say so?
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 09:06 AM by Jim__
Because it might be common knowledge to just about everyone in the country and she still might not know it. She can't admit simple ignorance of any particular term because she is generally ignorant of what's going on in this country. A simple reply of "The Bush Doctrine? Refresh my memory?" would have shown some integrity. Instead she tried to bluff her way through it.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:07 AM
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31. I figured it was just something like this
"Make policy based on the worst possible choice of all available."
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:14 AM
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33. Not really
The heart of it has always been that the U.S. should strike first if they think someone is going to do something bad. It's kind of like precrime.
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