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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:33 AM
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I remember when I was a little girl
my parents sent me to Sunday school. I was brought up catholic and was preparing for my first communion. I can remember the little catechism booklet. It was simple with few words and many bright pictures.
First question..."Who made you?" God made me. Second question..."Who made all things?" God made everything...all things were made through him.
I am now older and have my own thoughts on these things. However, what made me reflect on that innocent time in my life was the cover of Newsweek. When I saw that picture of Palin with a cocked rifle over her shoulder and viewed the aerial hunting video yesterday here on DU...I felt enraged and physically sick.
If she is a "christian" how does she condone such killing? That kind of display of violence from a plane on defenseless animals is pure evil in my eyes. Her on the cover of Newsweek sends what kind of message to children who see that....some one to aspire to? The irony of her wanting to remove books from a "public" library because they contained what she considered "racy" words?...yet killing is OK.
Sara Palin Pro Life? My ass she is. She is a fraud and a sick one at that.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:37 AM
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1. The Baltimore Catechism, I remember it well, it still shapes my understanding,
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 08:43 AM by patrice
though I no longer go to church.

One of the most important things, IMO, about The Baltimore Catechism is its QUESTION format. I think I've got a copy of it around here somewhere. One thing that The Baltimore Catechism says and that the church downplays these days is that God created us FREE.

And you are RIGHT, many of these so-called Pro-Lifers are NOT pro-Life. And isn't it interesting that when the Pope speaks on Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice, he DOES NOT SPEAK EX-CATHEDRA, i.e. he is not claiming Infallability, only everything but infallability.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:43 AM
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2. Thanks
Just you remembering the Baltimore Catechism doesn't make me feel so "old"...yikes
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:45 AM
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3. I still believe in what I was taught, though I've translated all of it into very Physical terms.
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 08:46 AM by patrice
I have been wondering why, with all of the pressure, the papacy doesn't go ahead and speak ex-cathedra about abortion.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:55 AM
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5. Pressure or not
I believe it will never happen. Way too consevative to go near that issue.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:45 AM
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4. Very good post...ty
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:01 AM
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6. You can put lipstick on the devil...
but it's still the devil. :grr:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:10 AM
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7. LOVE your signature line :)
n/t
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:56 PM
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17. Thanks!
:hi:
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JSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:51 AM
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8. Sorry, but 2nd question was
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 09:52 AM by JSK
"Why did God make you?"

"God made me to know, love and serve him in this world, and to be happy with him in the next."

Edited to add that I have just a touch of the OCD...
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:14 AM
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9. Well now
Jesus, Mary and Joseph (no pun intended) your correction has been duly noted. Could it be I have forgotten the order of questions...it was 40+ years ago? I must have forgotten to take my meds this morning.

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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:46 AM
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10. First question..."Who made you"?
My first day of Catechism class, I was asked that question, too. I was terrified. I knew the answer was either "God" or "Jesus", but I wasn't sure which. So I said "Jesus" and was soundly ridiculed by the teacher and embarrassed in front of the class. I wondered why, if God made us, he had told everyone else about it, but neglected to tell me. I became wary of religion after that.

Killing animals from a plane like that shows a complete lack of empathy/respect for living things. Christianity seems to be morphing from a religion of peace and love into a religion made up of "warriors for God" - those who believe it is necessary to wage a battle against anyone who doesn't follow the Bible. They are apparently ok with killing innocent non-Christians in the Middle East. Why should we be surprised that they can kill animals this way? When you are so chosen by God, anything you do is ok.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 11:25 AM
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14. you make some good points there
I see this all unraveling though...and not for the better.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:49 AM
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11. "Subdue the earth."
This is one source of (or rationale for) the right-winger's enormous sense of entitlement. When you give lip service to a creation model that includes man as something separate from the animals, that's a green light for anything you want to do to critters, and "Thou shalt not kill" was given to people, after all, not to the varmints.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:57 AM
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12. My best friend was Catholic and I studied her catechism with her.
I felt physically sick when Giuliani and then Palin mocked Obama for being a community organizer. Volunteerism and charity are what make us human. Jesus said to feed the poor.

When the Republican audience cheered at those words of hate I felt overwhelmed with sadness for my country.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:38 PM
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15. I felt overwhelmed too, because I WANT to work with those who share honest Christian values, but
here are these folks, who supposedly hate Government, ridiculing people who act out of individual responsibility WITHOUT the force/power of government behind them.

You know, it's VERY hard to work with people who contradict themselves at EVERY turn, even when you WANT to support them, you don't know how/what to do, because they are either lying, ignorant, or evil, so everything that is attempted gets confused and Fails.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 11:09 AM
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13. I don't believe these people are sincere
When they claim to be "Christian." They are only playing at it for their own gain. They see a group of people they think are easy to manipulate, and then play along with them.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:43 PM
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16. "...for their own gain...." is something that needs to be repeated LOUD and OFTEN, because
what we are talking about is gain = monopolizing local business opportunities and jobs, by means of their own, Dominionist or otherwise, religious networks.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:21 PM
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18. who was it that said,
Even the devil can quote scripture?

BTW, I was an alterboy and could do a high mass in Latin. Wow, that and 4.50 I can get a starbucks latte. "I can play dominos better than you cannnnn"
remember those days?:crazy:
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