As 9/11 survivor I beg kids to take US from us 60s boomers

[danielet]

Every year, on this day, I still feel the same shiver up and
down my spine that I felt on 9/11. The experience is searing
because-- MOST OF ALL-- it tells me what a lying
self-deceiving, at its children's expense attempting to be
self-serving, a geriatric propagandist Americans we the 60s
generation have become. That horrible day, seven years ago,
was not alQaeda's fault, for binLaden only accepted an
opportunity OUR airlines gave him that he couldn't refuse.
Prior to 9/11, riding airliners back-and-forth from the East
to the West coast, then only looking for ways to plant bombs
on airliner's, binLaden's terrorists THEN discovered that the
pilot's cabin is kept open and access is easy, EVEN THOUGH
FEDERAL LAW ESTABLISHED IN THE 70s has mandated impenetrable
pilot's cabin, given all the skyjacks then. But why bother
with the added cost for anti-terror security when there was so
much profit to be made? And so, the airlines assumed that,
being
"de-regulated, they didn't have to obey the law. ALL FOUR
AIRLINERS WERE TAKEN OVER BY THE TERRORISTS WITHIN TEN
MINUTES. Willing to become Kamikazes, these alQaeda terrorists
simply made four air-crafts full of helpless passengers into
guided missiles. THE NEXT DAY ON TV, an airline official said:
with first class passengers paying so much for a ticket they
deserve to see that someone is flying this damned
thing....Imagine this excuse for violating the law and making
ALL airliners so vulnerable coming from an executive from one
of the involved airlines. But even then, the arrogance of
executives showed because Bush was their corporate stooge. And
he covered this up by passing the liability to the taxpayers
for over 3000 Americans dead and excusing this criminal act of
negligence as really an unavoidable act due to a brilliant
mind of diabolic binLaden.

Then we went into Afghanistan, with Congress appropriating a
wad of money for the Pentagon to "get binLaden dead of
alive," per Bush. Seven years later, we have no idea if
binLaden died from unrelated causes or if he is still alive.
Why? Because Afghanistan was a ruse. As assets were put into
Afghanistan, the CIA working with the Afghani Northern
Alliance, did the job while the authorization and assets voted
by Congress were used to present Congress with a fait
accompli: WAR WITH IRAQ that Congress couldn't refuse once our
troops were committed in combat there . We now know from
Jeremi Beanstock, Blair's Special Envoy for Iraq and then
British UN Ambassador, on the Charlie Rose Show, that the WMD
issue was a total fraud, for they all knew that Iraqi WMDs
were non-existent. This is also confirmed by Ron Suskind in
his new book, THE WAY OF THE WORLD, from top CIA sources. And
the lie goes on as we are told by McCain that we "are
Winning" OR "we will win"
(he keeps alternating), even though Gen. Petraeus insists that
we have to keep in our troops-- while we increase our Afghan
commitment to avoid failure there-- because it could all
suddenly disappear. In other words, we're applying a
tourniquet to a bleeder with no repair of the artery despite
the fact that continued compression, cutting off blood flow,
will produce gangrene of OUR volunteer American military.

Privately, Senator Biden has said that Congress will just
establish the record through hearings, and should the
Democrats win the White House, Bush & Co. will face legal
action based on the record. By then, I and others who
understand that 9/11 was used rather than avenged-- a
sacrilege-- will find vindication for our faith in this great
nation as America suddenly regained its footing, accepts
reality, and, for its children's sake, courageously brought
about CHANGE this November, even if for many closet racists it
will be a hard thing to select a black man for the White
House.

Desperately, McCain is given an "I approve this
message" green light to the scummiest Republican Rovian
propagandists while he pretends that he "puts America
first." I would argue that any geriatric that perpetuates
the "bait-and-switch" Afghan-Iraq swindle and wants
more, not less, of heroic young American moms and dads dying
in Iraq while we rely on imprecise mass civilian
"collateral damage" causing drones, trying to kill
alQaeda in Pakistan, is part of the problem, NOT of the
solution. That's why he has to run a race race, one of
"CHANGE" that even changes the Bush playbook by
bringing us back to the rallying cries of the Confederacy.
Let's go back to the best of the 60s and have meaningful
dialogue through teach-ins every day, as we had on 9/11.

One thing is certain: America is a true democracy where the
people get what they ask for. So Bush's presidency stood on
the shoulders of my generation as we eat our kids' lunch as
our pensions-- not once but twice. Now our economy is going
belly up and the money is STILL disappearing into the hands of
Bush's "entrepreneurs." If McCain is elected, making
it Bush TRICE, it will be no one's fault but our own. The old
guys may have brought us Bush-Cheney, but it will now be the
old gals who bring us McCain-Palin. Either way, it is a Peter
Panish, "I won't grow up..." mentality of the 60's
generation of "me-ists"-- now gaga geriatrics-- that
is dooming all of you, struggling with outrageous tuition,
hoping to make a career and future for yourselves. YOU must
rise up this November for the future of America and that of
your children,  YOU must take America from us on grounds that
we are Bush-McCain " noncompentus mentus," and
choose a real "CHANGE" leader from
YOUR generation, the generation that is paying for our
custodial care. Whatever you do, VOTE this November or take
responsibility when your kids someday ask you: Daddy, mom,
what did you do in November 2008?

Daniel E. Teodoru

[Taverner]

1. Nice rant. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Before 9/11 (and, to a large degree, AFTER 9/11), airline security was a goddamned joke. I worked for American Airlines in the late 80's/early 90's, and it was ridiculously easy to penetrate security.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. A boomer bashing thread. Gee haven't have one of these in awhile.

:eyes:

[elocs]

4. Not all Boomers are created equal.

The definition of Baby Boomers:

"Baby Boomers is the name given to the generation of Americans who were born in a 'baby boom' following World War II. The Boomers were born between 1944 and 1964."

Barack Obama: born 4 August, 1961. He is a Boomer.

John McCain: born 29 August 1936. He is NOT a Boomer.

No contest here for me, I'll go with the Boomer.

[tsuki]

6. There are actually two subsets of Boomers, the WWII and the

Korean Boomers. They grew up very differently.

[elocs]

7. Whatever the subsets, Obama is clearly a Boomer and McCain is not. n/t

[girl gone mad]

11. I don't think Obama's a boomer.

You can make an argument based on age, but he's on the cusp. On issues and ideals, he's very much post-boomer.

[danielet]

13. BRAVO for stating the chronologic obvious!

[girl gone mad]

15. wtf?

Just trying to run up your post count?

[danielet]

22. Generational culture war

Part of boomers were the sictech wonder generation of NASA and NIH. Most became bags of bad-for you-goodies.

But Obama is NOT a boomer, he is-- like my son-- SON OF BOOMERS. And it is he and his generation that must be given the keys and told: HERE, YOU LEAD, I'LL FOLLOW, SON!

McCain in the White House is like Viagra: stiff till it drops!

[danielet]

16. I was born in 40s, I'm a boomer--God help me!

[Bluebear]

17. Good heavens, settle down

[danielet]

19. With 50 days to go, you can't settle down, you must saddle up!

[Bluebear]

30. I'm a boomer and I did not cheer as we went to Iraq to fill up alleged SUV, so this is on YOUR head.

Not mine.

[danielet]

51. Yes, on my head, but I didn't cheer, I just failed to stop it

[eowyn_of_rohan]

95. Boomer period is from the end of WWII - not during

So the post WWII and Korean War boomers have a LOT more in common than those born after abt 1958. By most figurings, boomer years were 1946-1964.

adding - IMO, a true boomer remembers (for starters) the day President Kennedy was killed. They also saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 1964, and knew the names of all the original astronauts. :hippie:

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. !

:thumbsup:

[danielet]

24. Edwards turned out to be son of McCain-like-McCain!

[EFerrari]

40. Really? What do you think of Hillary?

[danielet]

52. I thought she could nurse US back to mental health. So can Obama

[danielet]

14. If Obama is a boomer my grandson one year old is a boomer

[EFerrari]

23. If your grandson was born after 64, he's not a boomer. n/t

[danielet]

25. CAN WE AGREE ALL ON YOUR DEFINITION?

[EFerrari]

31. Can you define your own terms without yellng?

[danielet]

58. Sorry, I'll try again but I am desperate about November

There is a geriatric culture afoot that is driven by the youth culture of the 60s. The hedonicus 60s can't accept their fate in the 21 st Century so they desperately seek to feel potent. They sublimate in "America's response to terror." They feel strong because someone else's son/daughter is fighting in Iraq. Now they too feel the pain of the last eight years. But unwilling to face reality they accept the "yes we can" crap of McCain. Unlike Obama's "yes we can," McCain's means yes we can keep doing what we're doing and CHANGE our aging process. There is a culture of age avoidance. Just look at the commercials. Like Cealis McCain would have us all sit in flying bathtubs that take us to mob anywhere on earth so long as we think; "yes we can" and click our toes....But if your tub keeps flying for more than four hours contact your doctor immediately.

Don't you all get it. The CULTURE of the McCain Campaign is the same as the culture of the TV Cable commercials: NO PAIN, ALL GAIN!

It's a lie but that's what McCain hopes to win on. You all don't understand the Right Wing Republican mentality to power. They really believe that when they get it it is because of devious tricks. So they feel that once they have power they must suck it and milk it because it won't last. HAVE NONE OF YOU SEEN THE MENTALITY OF REPUBLICAN RIGHT RUNNING THIS COUNTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS?

McCain is nothing but more of that. I was with these "Reps" when they were kids so I know that they can't help themselves-- it's the old Young Americans for Freedom culture of 60s extended 50 years. McCain-Palin winning is like vultures eating a dying America. We need YOU THE YOUTH TO TAKE IT OVER BY VOTING IN YOUR GENERATION'S OBAMA.

Rove said on FOX that the youth vote "definitely sure to vote" dropped by 40% in recent post-primaries polls. So, he insists, Reps need not worry about youth-- hence the McCain Campaign style.

DON'T LET AMERICA DIE, whatever your age, save it!

[DailyGrind51]

62. Boomers demonstrated against the Vietnam War, got their heads bashed in Chicago,

shot dead at Kent State, marched on Washington D.C., had over 58,000 of their friends and siblings killed in Vietnam, burned their draft cards, were murdered in Mississippi while registering black voters, and founded modern feminism. What have subsequent generations done, besides piss and moan about their "elders"?

[danielet]

65. Aha, now you remember. But also rememberd kids blown up in VN!

[DailyGrind51]

70. I am a "Boomer" and some of those killed in VN were friends of mine!

I was also an anti-war activist.

[BooScout]

72. Yea.......after they were drafted by the WWII generation...

We could do this all night. Give it a rest.

[danielet]

77. But because of draft moms and dads forced Nixon out of VN. Who for Iraq?

[BooScout]

79. Well hopefully it will be Obama (a Baby Boomer).......

And a shitload of other Baby Boomers who will vote for him...........me being one of them.

You need to seriously calm down.

[DailyGrind51]

99. True, we had a lot of "Cindy Sheehans" back then!

[PVnRT]

97. That's right. The only generation worth a shit is the boomers.

Go piss off.

[DailyGrind51]

100. Right on, man!

[blm]

84. Plus, SOME Boomers worked to uncover and EXPOSE global terror networks funded by fascists aligned

with the Bushes, and other Boomers worked to protect the fascist agenda and protect BushInc throughout the 90s.

This country needed MORE John Kerry's and fewer Bush protectors like Bill Clinton.

[laststeamtrain]

5. The spider has many eyes.

And weaves a web of many messages...

Some are banal, some are repulsive.

Hard to pick one out from another.

I really don't understand where this post is 'coming from' as we used to say.

"Boomer bashing" is an OK file for this one. Or it could be about air port security or social security or something.

The intention of the post seems....weird?

[danielet]

8. BOOMER BASHING by a boomer

Well, a spider DOESN'T have many eyes if you read entomology instead of poetry. But the "boomer" is a cultural subset that, if you read social studies instead of listening to PBS do-op and Music of the 60s concerts, you will notice that a lot of the stiff arthalgia types with a 40+ waist and often suffering from self-indulgent Type II Diabetes are the "red neck" so-called "Reagan Democrats" that FEAR the unknown of Obama much as they feared 9/11. They are easily stampeded because they devote their slipping away lives to "hey, what about me?"

After Sputnik, Americans began to doubt their brain power. The "egghead" they used to humiliate and bully in grammar school (many finally got a GED)went from despair to feeling challenged by JFK. The TO THE MOON IN A DECADE Project did an awful lot for the "eggheads." Thousands went into science and engineering. And, when JFK insisted on supporting ALL education, not just math&science for defense, the nation was full of struggling college students. College became a way of in four years making up for 12 lost years of public education. Many in numbers but few in proportion made it to college, but so poorly prepared were they that 1/3 of U California college students dropped out in their Freshman year never to return. I am told that this was true across the board.

However, American Higher Education was so tough and cutting edge that the best high school grads from the rest of the world (a high school degree from anywhere else was equivalent to an American college degree so "university" was indeed graduate work, not remedial work as is college here)came to America to go to school. They loved it and wanted to stay. As a result, America stayed on the cutting edge by pirating high school grads from the rest of the world. Meanwhile college became increasingly commercial. Defeated by the student revolution of the 60s, faculty sought popularity instead of standards. Meanwhile, public education became so uninspired that it could not compete with the hedonics available outside of school. As America fell behind, the rest of the world moved up-- but the boomers of today, back then were on the winning side of the Cold War economics. There were lots of selling jobs. The old saying, "there's another a sucker born every day" became more true in the "entrepreneurial era" than ever. But, as Communism collapsed, America was falling behind and the boomers were already in their forties. A lot went for GEDs, having quit school at 16 to work eight hours and smoke pot and get laid for the other 16 hours of the day. But slowly, jobs were leaving and they were becoming superfluous. The "nerds" were taking over and the "jocks" were getting arthritis and obese. Now the suckers have all been used up in pyramid schemes and the boomers are retiring on empty. They are scared of aging, scared of dying, scared of poverty, scared of want....so they leverage everything they own to buy a BBBBIIIIGGGG SUV, to turn their homes into warehouses of junk. And then came 9/11. They realized that a few crazy "towel-heads" could hit anywhere anytime. Given that all they had to do-- per GW Bush-- is shop until they drop, they didn't care what Bush "had" (sic) to do to keep them safe, after all, they suffered from the "ain't my kid going to Iraq" disconnect syndrome. Well, Bush took America right from under their fat couch potato asses and gave it to the robber barons. As the Empire declined, they stampeded in 2004 and put Bush back. But in 2006 they stampeded the other way. Now that a guy the age of their sons/daughters of of black color is seeking the *WHITE* House and calling for "CHANGE" to save something of America for their children, the boomers are saying: HEY, BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!

Slime McCain appeals to the slime culture that the "rebels" of the 60s have become. The older they got, the more they sought to compensate for it with medication instead of discipline. They see themselves as fat tuns in the cabin of their SUVs with no brakes, no steering, rolling downhill on "empty" to a cliff. McCain is coming to them and saying: I'm one of you, I'll bring change...BUT NOT CHANGE IN YOU, CHANGE IN WASHINGTON. I'm a war hero, I can fill up your tanks so your SUVs can go in reverse. I survived the Hanoi Hilton. I'm white like you. I'm old like you. I know you best. I act like you. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO CHANGE, I want Washington to change."

And then he brings in Palin as proof that he has taken someone the age of the boomers' kids but OF THE CULTURE OF THE BOOMERS. No mind-numbing calculus for them, no weird science, no "nerd." She is a "BABE." She reminds the guys of what hard-ons they could develop in their youth and the gals of how thin they used to be. Better still, she's from Alaska where things NEVER change and she will bring JUNO to Washington DC! And if McCain dies, it's O.K. because she's a WHITE boomer who is young-- sort of a cloned boomer-- and can continue the McCain Peter Pan dream of "I won't grow up, just to have to go to school and learn a silly rule..." Yet, she is a defender of the fat dying boomer culture. Better still, she had Jesus and the Bible to help her get through all the boomer-like crisis that constitute her life in Alaska. SHE IS EVERY BITTER RESENTFUL BITTER BALLOONED BOOMER BABE'S REVENGE AGAINST ALL THOSE HORRIBLE MEN THAT HAVE MADE THEIR LIVES SO MISERABLE BACK WHEN 3 OUT OF 10 MARRIAGES ENDED IN DIVORCE, LEAVING THE WOMEN ALONE TO RAISE THE KIDS TO NOWHERE.

Sure, there are a lot of wonderful boomers-- HEROIC BOOMERS-- but McCain is not one of them. When Bush became president he went to a Yale Commencement and declared that he's living proof that a "C" student can get to be president. The boomers loved it and wanted to have a beer with this non-nurd. So they elected a cheerleader to be captain of the football team. It shows in the score. Now, if elected, McCain can go to the Naval Academy and say that he's living proof that a "D" student can be president. John McCain said in his acceptance speech that he was a real fool-around kind of guy and didn't care about anything but himself-- A REAL BOOMER, A REAL 60s ME-IST-- until taken captive. Only then, sais he, did he come to love his country. But by then it was too late. The Navy didn't think him worthy of command. So he quit in trying to get on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and decided to go for Commander and Chief. That political career shows him as much of a ME-IST BOOMER as his pre-Hanoi career. So where's the change? At 72, you can barely hang on to the levels you achieved previously. How will such a fool-around me-ist ever become presidential timber?

Well, it doesn't matter. He found a gimmick, a BOOMER GAL of Obama's generation who is a BABE. And she will guarantee that whatever happens to McCain's metastatic melanoma, she'll be the next generation of boomers to take-over Washington DC.

This election is not only a RACE RACE, but worst still it is a CULTURE WAR. Obama speaks of a JFK type saving America for the next generation by investing in TECHNO-SOCIAL change....THAT'S A NEW CULTURE. That's what we boomers called for in the 60s but got lost on the drugs&sex me-ist path. McCain-Palin is a cultural salvation for the boomers that are too old to change. They need a JFK-type-- WHITE OR BLACK-- to save America from deadly decline, but they are afraid that they are too old to keep up with him/her. So they go to the mediocrities spent on self indulgences just like them. McCain-Palin are ideal. Obama is too "up-edy" because he's trying to get everybody off their asses and running to catch up. Have you ever seen an obese boomer get off the couch and run?

I'm rather harsh on my generation, and that includes me. Why? Because we went to fill-er-up our SUVs and let someone else's kid go to fight and die in Iraq for our cheap oil. In then end, with all our fighting, China got the contracts, not us!!!!

We deserve to lose, to suffer, to suffocate in our own fat....BUT NOT OUR KIDS. Since we have nothing to leave them that's better than what our parents left us, why not just leave them alone to try their JFK-ish epic to save America instead of us trying to save our glutenous boomer old age?

Hurricane Ike is a reminder of what we fat boomers did to the world, of what we did to our children's inheritance!

IF YOU KIDS WANT THE WORLD FOR YOURSELVES AND YOUR KIDS, YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. YOU ALL MUST GO AND VOTE IN NOVEMBER FOR OBAMA...WE BOOMERS HAVE MET THE ENEMY, PER POGO, AND HE IS FAT US, HE IS MCCAIN, HE IS PALIN....BUT UNLESS YOU ALL VOTE TO SAVE THE PLANET FOR THE FUTURE, WE BOOMERS WILL CONSUME IT BY ELECTING OLD BOOMER MCCAIN AND YOUNG BOOMER PALIN.

THIS ELECTION IS NOT JUST A RACE RACE, IT IS A CULTURE WAR AND *WE* THE BOOMERS ARE THE ENEMY, WE WHO CHEERED AS YOUNG MOMS AND DADS MARCHED TO DIE IN IRAQ FOR HOLLOW "VICTORY"-- NOT FOR US BUT FOR CHINA, AGAIN-- AND LEFT BEHIND WIDOWS AND ORPHANS, FOR THIS GENERATION OF SOLDIERS ARE *ALL* FAMILY PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEERED TO PROTECT US ON 9/11, NOT FAT SELF CENTERED BOOMERS.

IF OBAMA WINS, AMERICA WINS THE RACE WAR IN ITS SOUL AND THE ECONOMIC WAR IN ITS BELLY. IF MCCAIN WINS, THE ROBBER BARONS WILL CONTINUE TO STARVE THE BOOMERS OF THEIR PENSIONS AND THEY WILL WASTE TO DEATH HELPLESSLY. THEY ARE HELPLESS BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. THAT'S WHY THIS IS A CULTURE WAR BETWEEN THE OBAMAS WHO WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD AND THE MCCAIN BOOMERS WHO WANT TO EAT IT. Now do you understand why I despise *us* boomers?

[EFerrari]

27. If you cheered as people went off to die in Iraq, own it.

Don't try to spread your error to other people.

[danielet]

32. I stopped my life to fight agaisnt Iraq and became anti-Bushit Dem

[EFerrari]

34. Really? And was the doing enough or do you need validation for that?

[danielet]

48. We failed so obviously it wasn't enough so I failed but still trying

[BooScout]

10. Obama is a boomer....

He's the same age as me and I'm a Boomer......I refuse to take the blame for the current asshole in the WH and all that's wrong with America. I didn't have one fucking thing to do with it....and I'm getting pretty fucking sick and tired of people blaming my entire generation regarding the shitty shape America now finds itself in. Lay the fuck off.

[danielet]

12. Boomer is over 50. How old were you in 60s?

If you read my text I pointed to a crew that since Vietnam has been taking, taking, taking and not giving much as America is about depleted. And under Bush, it took, took, took....Whatever your age, if you didn't do any of this GOD BLESS YOU. But to see all these moms and dads continue fighting for a lie in Iraq after FOUR Woodward books and TWO Suskind books and lots more, most people either don't read or don't care. You needn't be bad if you're a boomer and you needn't be a boomer if you're bad. But if you didn't realize and oppose the destruction of our volunteer army, you may well fit the glutenous profile I labored to describe. You can yell "f...f....f..." to your grave, but the issues are the issues and the culture war is as real as the race race (especially to Mccain strategists).

[KayLaw]

20. Wrong.

That is not the correct definition of Baby Boomer. You can't just make things up.

[danielet]

33. I speak of 60s youth. Who do you mean?

[EFerrari]

21. Boomers are usually defined as being born between 46 and 64.

I'm glad you're posting here and please don't tar me with that brush.

It's like saying, save me from left handed people.

Demonizing a group of people doesn't get you closer to what you want.

And, in case you've forgotten, it was boomers that walked and got clubbed and got dead fighting for the Civil Rights Act. And who are still defending it.

Blame mass media or media consolidation, blame campaign finance that puts all our power into the hands of a very few corporations. But please don't blame the people I've been marching with since I was a kid. We were the ones that hit the streets first in the run up to Iraq -- in the run up to Afghanistan, for that matter.

If all of that is obscure to you, maybe you need to do some homework.

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. Trying real hard, aren't you?

:eyes:

[BooScout]

42. Bullshit.....

Boomers were born all the way up to 1964. In the 60's I was a child.

You can't simply take a broad brush swipe at an entire generation for the state of the US and the world. Many of the paths we have travelled down were laid down long before my generation came along.......and it took just one insane idiot in the WH to wipe out a hell of a lot of good another boomer did for America..........or did you forget Bill Clinton was and is a boomer too? And an older one at that.

And what's with the GOD BLESS ME bit? If anything religion has screwed up a hell of a lot more than it has helped.

[danielet]

46. God SAVE me, not God BLESS me

[BooScout]

50. whatever.....

It's obvious someone needs to save you. :eyes:

[danielet]

78. Gee that's so pithy. Why don't you send it to O'Reilly

[DailyGrind51]

101. Here is an "About.com" definition:

"Baby Boomers is the name given to the generation of Americans who were born in a "baby boom" following World War II. The Boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. The oldest wave of the Baby Boomers is currently considering retirement options and looking at ways to make their elder years meaningful. The youngest group of Baby Boomers are managing the Millennialsand Generation-X groups of employees - and in some cases, being managed by them."

http://humanresources.about.com/od/glossaryb/g/boomers.htm

[Cooley Hurd]

18. To me, boomers are people who were 10 yrs old in 1968...

...1968 was the watershed year. Myself, I was born in 1965, and 1969 was the year that I came into a firm social awareness - and I remember NOT liking what I was seeing (except for Woodstock;)).:thumbsdown:

[NanBo]

29. so you came into your awareness at 4 years old?

Sorry. I was born in 1958--YOUR threshold for boomers. I was playing with dolls, building forts with the kids on the block in 1969. I guess we weren't as sophisticated as you 4 yr olds in 1969.

[danielet]

36. 1969 I had one child. I'm a boomer. But the issue is culture, not age

[EFerrari]

37. You must have been playing with Republican dolls.

lol

Seriously, my mom took me to walk for JFK with her and I remember that. I was four. :)

[danielet]

41. I was playing with Soviet dolls

[EFerrari]

45. It sounds like you still are. n/t

[danielet]

47. I'm trying to help save America, AGAIN before I die, via Obama

[EFerrari]

49. And I'm writing the Great American Novel with invisible ink. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. ...

:evilgrin:

[BooScout]

74. is this .......'if you build it they will come?'

Beam me up Scottie.

[NanBo]

54. gosh

You're lucky. I had to learn to be a dem and a liberal on my own but it took me until I reached my teens to do it against a culture of hard nosed republicans.

[danielet]

59. I know how you feel, I lost all my VietVets friends like Sen. Hagel

[EFerrari]

69. You're right. I was lucky.

On the other hand, were I an embryonic Republican, I couldn't have gone up against my mom and grandmother. They were serious. :scared:

[Cooley Hurd]

39. I'm sorry, but I was aware of the MLK & RFK assassinations...

...and of the election, the moon walk, Apollo 13, etc...

I built forts in 1970, but I also knew NixonCo. was scum.:shrug:

[danielet]

43. I met my wife the day JFK was shot. It was very sad day for all

[danielet]

44. Then came MLK and RFK and we thought American Order dead

[NanBo]

53. Sorry I'm not going to apologize

for being and acting like a kid at age 10-11 and not being properly aware enough to march and stand up for Democratic principles at that age. Sheesh.

[Cooley Hurd]

57. No one is asking for an apology...

...sheesh!;):hi:

[danielet]

68. The three young Kennedies, faults and all, make me cry for them back

[danielet]

28. It's a boomer culture struggle, not individual boomer blame

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. This thread makes no sense--and I'm a boomer by anyone's definition

born in the 1950s.

[danielet]

38. Why the "boomer issue"

Perhaps I should speak of the 60's generation cultural evolution from young freak to old leak culture. The point is that THAT is Bush and McCain and that's what Palin is imitating.

[KayLaw]

56. Danilet . . .

You're generalizing way too much. The ages of these presidents mean little; it's the ages of the voters that matter. People of all ages are voting for Obama and the same for McCain. The country may be divided but I don't think age has much to do with it. You are looking for something concrete to blame but it just doesn't work that way.

[danielet]

61. I agree 1/3 of boomers are hard working heroes of sci-tech America

[Cooley Hurd]

60. We were born... born in the fifties:

Via The Police


We were born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties

My mother cried
When president Kennedy died
She said it was the communists
But I knew better

Would they drop the bomb on us
While we made love on the beach
We were the class they couldn't teach
'Cos we knew better

We were born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties

They screamed
When the Beatles sang
And they laughed when the King fell down the stars
Oh they should've known better

Oh we hated our Aunt
Then we messed in our pants
Then we lost our faith and prayed to the TV
Oh we should've known better

We were born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties
Born
Born in the fifties

We freeze like statues on the pages of history
Living was never like this when we took all those G.C.E.'s
Oh you opened the door for us
And then you turned to dust

You don't understand us
So don't reprimand us
We're taking the future
We don't need no teacher

[danielet]

63. I'd be so happy to be wrong, in Nov if Obama wins I'll kiss your ass

[Cooley Hurd]

87. No ass-kissing involved...

If he wins, we all win! If he loses, we're all fucked...:(

[Bluebear]

64. 'binLaden only accepted an opportunity OUR airlines gave him that he couldn't refuse'

:crazy:

[danielet]

66. BRAVO! Bush has been hidding that fact since 9/11!!!!

[Bluebear]

67. Hidding what?

[danielet]

76. Bush's secrets

1. In 1970s, due to a skyjacking craze, it was made a rule that a) the pilot's cabin would be made impenetrable on all airliners and b) two sky-marshals would be put on every plane. With no definite plans, alQaeda terrorists flying back and forth from East to West Coast saw that no sky marshals and pilot cabin wide open. So they proposed plan to takeover planes and use as guided Kamikaze missiles. The day after 9/11 an airline exec on TV insisted that: people in First Class pay a lot for that ticket so they have the right to see that someone is flying this thing!

Yet, Bush played on American fear of "diabolic genius" of alQaeda. Congress gave authorization and cash for war in Afghanistan. But it was bait-and-switch. The CIA did the Afghan War with Northern Alliance. All assets were pulled off to start a war in Iraq so as to present Congress with a fait accompli: an ongoing war with US troops engaged so they couldn't refuse funding. It was all for oil. WMD were total fraud per Blair's Iraq Czar, Jeremi Beanstock, on Charile Rose Show and CIA top officials to Ron Suskind in his book THE WAY OF THE WORLD.....ALAS 2/3 OF BOOMERS DON'T READ!

When the Baker-Hamilton proposal appeared Bush knew that for boomers "defeat" in Iraq was like "too old to get it up." So he spoke of "surge" and "victory." Read Woodward's new book THE WAR WITHIN.

All boomers are shits to me unless they consider every uniformed American in Iraq as his/her own child and would not allow to be done to them what they would not allow to be done to their biologic children.

I'm old and dying. But in 2003 I got involved with a local group against Iraq led by a guy who died of cancer two weeks later. THAT TO ME IS A HERO BOOMER...one of the 1/3 that made America a sci-tech miracle from the 60s on. Have I answered your question, because I am desperate to get across!

[SammyWinstonJack]

71. That was a quote by you.

:crazy: Or did you forget what you wrote? :silly:

[Bluebear]

73. Oh, BSN, save me...

:rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

75. .

:hug:

[danielet]

80. You & Edwards have a good laugh because it doesn't cost you anything

[Bluebear]

81. You know nothing about either of us & you're sounding pretty nutty, no offense.

Later.

[BooScout]

82. 'Pretty Nutty'???

I think he's gone over the edge.

[SammyWinstonJack]

93. Way over!

:crazy:

[danielet]

91. No I don't know you but I didn't laugh at you and 9/11 experience

[SammyWinstonJack]

92. Excuse me?

:wtf:

[danielet]

96. sorry misposition re: Blue brard above

[dailykoff]

83. If it's any comfort to you, the hijacked planes story is bullshit,

just like every other lie this admin has ever pushed. However, your heart appears to be in the right place, although I lost patience after about the tenth mutilated sentence.

[danielet]

85. which hyjack story? each craft taken over in 10 mins.

[dailykoff]

86. Yes, I've heard the whole sad story many times

and it stopped making sense about five years ago.

[danielet]

88. Do you believe it was a Gov plot too. Jesus, this is really "underground"

[dailykoff]

89. The alternative is believing laughably dishonest Gov propaganda.

I'd like to believe their ridiculous 911 fairy tale, but unfortunately it violates the laws of physics, so I can't.

[danielet]

90. You said what I wrote was false. Why? Please tell me, I need to know

[dailykoff]

94. Okay. I explained it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=127965&mesg_id=127965

[bluespeck]

98. I don't think its an age thing...

I think it is a cultural thing rather than an age thing. I was born in late 1945 so technically a boomer. I came of age during the 1960s and was a flaming liberal. I saw JFK in my city the day before he died and cried all the way home on the bus from college the day he was assassinated. Then RFK and MLK were my youthful heroes. I was liberal to the core. Then they were assassinated. I lost faith in my country for a decade and dropped out of politics. Then came back and voted for Reagan, but after two months I saw my huge mistake. Then I became a not quite conservative, but that didn't last because I still thought like a liberal, then an independent, then a naderite. Then we had the calamity of the last eight years and I went back to liberalism and voted for Kerry. I am now a full-fledged liberal Democrat supporting Obama. I am home politically and in my comfort zone. I work on little environmental projects in my city, trying to save trees, getting the city to stop using massive doses of Agent Orang...oops...herbicide, etc. I use my camera to photograph the neighborhood and its remaining wildlife, hoping to open the eyes of some of my neighbors. Just little projects through my neighborhood assn. At least half of my boomer friends are liberal, and we live in a red state. So I don't think it's a boomer thing or an age thing, though many boomers did defect and there is nothing we can do about them. I hate to see the 1960s trashed. That was a time of activism before the Repubs got control of the media.

What I see has happened is the evangelical right religious cult has taken over the Republican Party. Their minority has become a majority when you add in the cross-over voters who believe everything they hear on Fox News, and the good old boys and girls who are scared to death of an elitist, and this year, perhaps the racists. And, hey, if they don't win there can always be voting machine irregularities.

Regardless of whatever age they might be, I totally don't understand evangelicals. They are such control freaks with the weirdest logic. Abortion is killing but war is not. War is patriotism. And torture is OK. They are superpatriots who wave the flag but trash the Bill of Rights. Drilling is good for the economy, nevermind how much it pollutes or how much wilderness it destroys or how many dolphins and whales it drives crazy. We must keep those big SUVs rolling. Gay marriage undermines heterosexual marriage. How? We can't afford a health care system but we can afford an endless war. They MUST tell us how to live and they substitute their interpretation of the Bible for the Constitution. So folks, what we now live under is fascism, or is that Bushism? And we are fighting a cult as well as a party.

So, let's elect Obama and impeach Bush and forget about what age we are or where we have been. Now is what matters. Let's not let the good work of the 1960s come undone.

[annabanana]

102. Oh Horseshit..