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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:31 PM
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It's Open Season on McCain's Honor & Integrity
and he brought it all on himself.

He has effectively destroyed the good will that has shielded him from scrutiny for years. The press and the public now see him for the small, vindictive, uninformed person he really is.

They're even skewering him on The View!

War record - negated. Torture victim - negated. Straight shooter - negated. Maverick - negated.

McCain proves once again that at the end of the day, all a man has is his good name and his honor. He now has neither.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:34 PM
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1. Tell me again Daddy - How does getting caught
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 02:34 PM by Phred42
dropping Napalm on civilians (after 23 other missions), in a previous illegal war, make you a War Hero?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:40 PM
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6. he didn't have napalm or a daddy for FIVE AND A HALF YEARS!
:rofl:
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:57 AM
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8. Think of how many lives were saved by keeping him locked up
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:01 AM
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9. The man that should have been locked up
was Lyndon Baines Johnson. He was the man that started the illegal war, he was the man that ordered the U.S. Navy and Air Force to bomb the hell out of North Vietnam. Think how many lives would have been saved if he had been locked up in 1965.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:44 AM
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10. LBJ didn't start the war - he inherited it
Granted, he took it to new lows.

However, That is irrelevant to this discussion
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:45 PM
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11. He started it.
At the time he became the President, there were 16,000 Americans in Vietnam. They were advisors primarily. LBJ changed their roll from advisors to the primary combatants. Within three years there were 500,000 American troops in Vietnam. Before him, no one bombed North Vietnam. He did all of this based on the fabrication of a Vietnames attack on American ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. Junior LCDRs pilots in the Navy do not decide to bomb anyone. Nor do they select the targets or decide which weapons to use. They are ordered there to drop those bombs. If LBJ decides to bomb civilians, the hundreds of pilots in the Navy and Airforce carry out those orders. If LBJ had not ordered bombings, McCain would not have been over there dropping bombs.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:30 PM
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12. Here - try this
http://www.vietnamwar.com/warhistory.htm

Past, Present and Future


Conflict in Southeast Asia, primarily fought in South Vietnam between government forces aided by the United States and guerrilla forces aided by North Vietnam. The war began soon after the Geneva Conference provisionally divided (1954) Vietnam at 17 N lat. into the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). It escalated from a Vietnamese civil war into a limited international conflict in which the United States was deeply involved, and did not end, despite peace agreements in 1973, until North Vietnam's successful offensive in 1975 resulted in South Vietnam's collapse and the unification of Vietnam by the North. Geneva Conference Any of various international meetings held at Geneva, Switzerland. Some of the more important ones are discussed here. International conference held April-July, 1954, to restore peace in Korea and Indochina. The chief participants were the United States, the Soviet Union, Great Britain, France, the People's Republic of China, North Korea, South Korea, Vietnam, the Viet Minh party, Laos, and Cambodia. No agreement was reached on transforming the Korean armistice into a permanent peace, but three agreements were reached providing for an armistice and political settlement in Indochina. The so-called Summit Conference, held in July, 1955, was an attempt to restore mutual trust between East and West. President Dwight D. Eisenhower (United States), Premier Nikolai Bulganin and First Secretary Nikita Khrushchev (Soviet Union), Prime Minister Anthony Eden (Great Britain), and Premier Edgar Faure (France) discussed German reunification, European security, disarmament, and cultural and economic interchange. Although no substantive agreements were reached, the meeting closed on a note of optimism. Directives were issued for a meeting of the foreign ministers of the four countries to be held later that year to reach agreement on German reunification, disarmament, and other issues. For the Geneva conferences of foreign ministers in 1955 and 1959. Conference beginning Oct., 1958, between Great Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union, held in an attempt to reach an accord on banning tests of nuclear weapons. Since then, most international meetings held at Geneva have concerned the basic problems of the limitation of nuclear arms and provisions for international inspection and control. The UN Disarmament Commission, which began meeting in Geneva in 1960, has met there permanently since 1962. Causes and Early Years

In part, the war was a legacy of France's colonial rule, which ended in 1954 with the French army's catastrophic defeat at Dienbienphu and the acceptance of the Geneva Conference agreements. Elections scheduled for 1956 in South Vietnam for the reunification of Vietnam were cancelled by President Ngo Dinh Diem. His action was denounced by Ho Chi Minh, since the Communists had expected to benefit from them. After 1956, Diem's government faced increasingly serious opposition from the Viet Cong, insurgents aided by North Vietnam. The Viet Cong became masters of the guerrilla tactics of North Vietnam's Vo Nguyen Giap. Diem's army received U.S. advice and aid, but was unable to suppress the guerrillas, who established a political organization, the National Liberation Front (NLF) in 1960. Ho Chi Minh

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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:15 PM
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14. I am quite familiar with the background history of our involvement
in Vietnam. My statment is that without Lyndon Baines Johnson the U.S. involvement may not have reached the strength of 3 full corps plus the CV assents of the U.S. Navy plus almost all of the strategic strength of the U.S.Airforce. Our presence went from 16,000 advisors,technicians in Dec 1963 to half a million men by 1966. A pretty hefty commitment based on a pack of lies fabricated by that Administration. by the time LBJ left office he had killed 36,000 Americans, wounded about 180,000 more and any ones guess as to how many million Vietanmese he killed. No matter how you cut it, this man started a major war in Vietnam that did not have to happen.


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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:59 PM
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2. Now lets talk about his 'family values'
How he left his wife who had been in a horrible car accident and had waited all those years for him to get back from Nam. I have heard enough about Sarah, McCain is worse!!
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:11 PM
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3. I'm not going to criticize the war hero. And win or lose I'm sending
him a case of depends. And some Metimucal.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:17 PM
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4. McClown is a Dishonorable Person.
A person of honor does not repeatedly bear false witness against one's neighbor. In this case Sen. Obama is McClown's neighbor. McClown spews lies against Sen. Obama constantly. McClown claims that he is a Christian. The 9th Commandment has been violated by McClown many times. Do the Christians, Jews & Muslims not regard the 9th Commandment as being operative any longer?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:18 PM
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5. It's spelled METAMUCIL, you young whipper-snapper!
Now pardon me while I head on out for the early-bird special at Morrisons'.

;)
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:41 PM
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7. What honor? What integrity? Not even Palin hunts things that have been dead that long.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:04 PM
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13. And yet, he's ahead in the polls.
Racism is still very strong in this country.
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