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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:58 PM
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You think they only want to stop abortion? They even want to stop CONTRACEPTION!
I've heard about this several times in recent weeks, and have emailed about it, but check this out - just received this email from Population Connection (formerly ZPG). We need these people OUT OF OFFICE! NOW! And no McCain/Palin following them up, either!

If you do want to take action (email or otherwise), go to the Population Connection website (http://www.populationconnection.org/).

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New Bush Plan to Threaten Birth Control
Take Action!


The Bush administration has proposed a burdensome new regulation that could further undermine access to a broad range of family planning services and hamstring vital family planning programs like Title X.
The proposed new rule is described by the administration as an effort to protect individuals and health care entities from being coerced into participating in abortion services. The proposal, though, is so vague that it could easily undermine women's access to birth control across the country. And that could even be argued to be its underlying intent: an earlier draft of the rule, leaked to the media, actually defined abortion to include most hormonal methods of birth control.

If implemented, a broad interpretation of this proposal could:

• Require family planning clinics to hire staff who refuse to participate in the provision of contraceptives;
• Allow insurance companies to skirt state laws requiring coverage of contraception;
• Overturn state laws requiring emergency rooms to provide access to emergency contraception to sexual assault victims; and
• Shield pharmacies (or pharmacists) who defy state law by refusing to fill birth control prescriptions.

Given the content of the earlier leaked rule, it's not unreasonable to assume that the administration would interpret the rule as widely as possible. The penalty for non-compliance with the new regulation would be the loss of federal funding-a disaster for programs like Title X, which rely on federal dollars to serve a low-income population.

Even if the above outcomes aren't explicit in the regulations, there is no question that the new rules will cause huge headaches for family planning clinics. The vague wording will almost certainly encourage some individual health care professionals to test the limits and refuse to provide vital services - whether it's a receptionist refusing to schedule an appointment, a counselor refusing to discuss options, or a nurse refusing to do an exam on an unmarried patient. And these already financially strapped agencies will waste time and money trying to figure out what exactly they need to do to be in compliance--instead of spending both treating women and families in need of their services.

The proposed regulation can't take effect until after the official comments period closes on September 25. Please take just a few moments to urge the Department of Health and Human Services to drop this proposal altogether.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:00 PM
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1. well, at leas there's still butt-fucking
:P
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:04 PM
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3. ...
:yoiks: :silly:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:16 PM
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33. without a condom?
Doesn't that qualify as contraception?
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:02 PM
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2. Only Their Own Kind
Isn't that what they want to control? mating only with their own kind in Religious beliefs and color?
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:07 PM
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4. They're also, as someone said in a flash of brilliance, 'pro-birth', not 'pro-life',
because once a baby is born, they don't give a shit about it! They're against Head Start, welfare, anything and everything. They just want that sucker BORN, and then fuck off, you're on your own, baby! (But that's the Republican Way, period).

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:16 PM
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5. Yep. NOW you're paying attention.
Spread the word.
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Luna_C_06 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:20 PM
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6. *sigh*
Is it time for a Lysistrata like uprising yet?
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:11 PM
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11. Unfortunately
The people who care about these things, particularly access to contraceptives, aren't the ones fucking the fundangelicals.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:22 PM
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7. If they can't outlaw abortion, they intend to make them inaccessible with unreasonable regulations.
I review grant requests to fight these bastards state by state. The fundie wingnuts have a cadre of attorneys dispatched across the country to make abortions inaccessible vis a vis unreasonable and outrageous regulations. Assholes.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:22 PM
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8. When will they make ejaculation a crime?
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:58 PM
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9. I laughed reading your post, but no, if you ejaculate into a God-loving fundamentalist
woman, and you create another 'saved' humanoid, then it's a Holy Event. Unless of course you get bored with your Plastic Perfect Suburban Republican Wife and decide you have to hire a prostitute, or do drugs, or - like the wonderful big-shot fundamentalist 'minister' in Colorado did a year or two ago - mess around with a gay prostitute AND do drugs... the possibilities are endless. It's all OK if you're One of Them, particularly if you don't get caught. But the official goal (I'm making this up right now, but it sounds likely) is to make more babies than the Godless Commies (e.g. American liberals).
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:26 PM
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10. Glad, I could make you laugh.
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:38 PM
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12. "Unless of course you get bored with your Plastic Perfect Suburban Republican Wife
and decide you have to hire a prostitute" or if you wife is disfigured in a horrible car accident after you return from a fighting a war, apparently that gives you a "pass" to commit adultery and marry an drug addicted heiress, say anthing to get elected, as long as when you get the golden ticket, a run for the presidency, promise to overturn Roe V Wade.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:05 AM
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13. years ago I caught Pat Robertson on tv saying that the problem with abortion
was 'all the little white babies being aborted'. it is obvious that they want to keep the birth rate up among whites because they are fearful of being outnumbered by the so-called lower classes.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:12 AM
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14. How else are they going to build up their army?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:17 AM
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15. I'm never going to watch Washington Journal again.
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 01:18 AM by sfexpat2000
Today, Steve let this lunatic talk for minutes about abstinence only. She was some acquaintance of his and the whole exchange made me ILL. He just sat there and smiled and let her go on and on.

And this is the same freakin' idiot Steve who objected when callers began talking about election fraud in Ohio 2004 just after the election: "Are we going to hear that for the next four years".

That's it for me.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:31 AM
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16. They've already started trying to do anti-birth control propaganda.
They had some "young people" going around saying THE PILL KILLS to try to discourage use of the birth control pill. It's crazy but I can just see some weaker minds being swayed by this.
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jedex Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:53 AM
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17. Pro-life propaganda
Remember the "abortion causes breast cancer" scare? And as to a Lysistrata uprising, there is not one person in a thousand in this stupid fucking country who would know what the fuck you are talking about. To the Sarah Palins of the world, it is a woman's duty to serve her man and bear a multitude of children. Once they are born, don't bother to breastfeed them because that might interfere with your perfect sex life in serving your man. Then go around and say that you stand for the rights of women because you have a career and knocked out a retard instead of having an abortion and because you prefer your teenage daughter to marry and knock one out because you refused to allow her access to sex education. In other words, you stand for the slavery and servitude of women.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:59 AM
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18. The same people are responsible for the resistance against the HPV vaccine
Because if you administer it to teen girls, somehow it encourages them to have sex. It's the same line of thinking that makes them push for abstinence-only sex ed (in addition to anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive BS) that's been proven to fail. Plus, you know the even crazier thing? The HPV vaccine can also prevent 3 forms of cancer common to women. It's just retarded the way these fucking idiots think.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:28 AM
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22. Slightly OT, but I think the HPV vac should be given to all.
You don't eradicate a pathogen by only vaccinating half of the population, and if HPV can cause cancer in women, it could in men as well.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:10 PM
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31. it does, but mostly in gay men so the repubs do not care,
as usual
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Luna_C_06 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:18 AM
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19. Sadly you and MountainLaurel are most likely right.
It's just that to me it makes sense not to be with anti-choice men (or women). But hey, at least your post made me feel smart. And now that I've said that watch me make a grammar mistake.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:22 AM
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20. Lysistrata uprising.. Isn't that a geological formation? Something to do with oil I think.. n/t
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:59 PM
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27. No, it refers to a Greek play where the women refuse sex to the men in order to force peace.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:26 AM
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21. I've always found the concept of "mini-abortions" terrifying when it comes to choice.
There are people who firmly believe it is wrong for ANYONE to use an IUD, use a hormonal method of birth control, or pretty much use any birth control other than a barrier method.

Because sometimes the Pill fails to suppress ovulation.

So when it fails to suppress ovulation, and the fertilized egg cannot implant, they call it an abortion. And non-hormonal IUDs primarily work by preventing implantation, as the spermicidal effects of copper are not strong enough to explain the effectiveness rate of a copper IUD.

I do believe life starts at conception. But pregnancy starts at implantation. You cannot abort what has not implanted. God/dess him/herself allows 75% of fertilized eggs to not implant in women who aren't taking birth control. Either 75% of the souls in Heaven/Purgatory are the souls of fertilized eggs that didn't implant, fertilized eggs are not ensouled, or there is some kind of reincarnation thing going on. And that's if you believe in a soul.

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BrainStorm Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:33 AM
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23. "pregnancy starts at implantation"
Yes. Until it is a blastocyst, it isn't a potential life.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:04 PM
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28. Also, miscarriages can be considered a natural form of abortion.
Sometimes, the woman miscarries without even realizing she was even pregnant. The miscarriages are because the egg can't be carried to term for one reason or another. I mean another term for miscarriages are spontaneous abortions. I don't see the "pro-life" people addressing this. Will they rail against God for those cases and accuse God of killing life? :eyes:
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:14 PM
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32. got yelled at by a doctor once because he saw that i had two spontaneous
abortions, he only read the abortion part. Reminded me of a moran or maybe he was muslin.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:26 PM
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34. OMFG, I'm so sorry that you met with such a doctor.
A miscarriage is already traumatic enough and then to be yelled at by a fundie doctor.

:hug: I'm sorry that you had to go through that. :(
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:36 AM
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24. Actually, they want to control human sexuality
Especially that of women.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:23 PM
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26. I don't think they care about male sexuality - or care to restrict it
in any way.

I'll betcha there's no problem with viagra and the like here.

No, this is directed entirely at female sexuality and a fear of it.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:26 AM
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25. Gotta keep pumping out future Marines...
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:47 PM
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29. Sex is DIRTY, and must be punished. n/t
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:27 PM
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30. Soon after seizing power, the Bush administration blocked the
long-delayed yet imminent approval of the "morning after pill" RU486. The pill had been available for years in Europe, but citing undefined "safety concerns", the new administration blocked its approval.

The most alarming yet little known fact about RU486 is that it doesn't destroy a fertilized egg; it prevents sperm and egg from joining. This means it's a contraceptive. Therefore, Bush already completely prevented legal access to a very safe, effective, unobtrusive, contraceptive.

Can you say "douchebag"?

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