Bush's IQ is apparently 125?

[shadowknows69]

Just saw this little "click on me" ad for one of those internet IQ tests. It has a cartoon picture of Bush and a caption that says: "His IQ is 125. Are you smarter than Bush?"

Have the changed the scale? I thought 100+ was basically above average. There's no fuckin way.

[StarryNite]

1. Bullshit!

[AzNick]

56. IQ test = BS. I know, I've scored between 120 and... 180!!!

IQ test only test one thing: your capacity to pass IQ tests.

I have consistantly passed them with increasing scores.

Even in the army, they said I was so f-ing smart and put me in front of a computer doing stuff I can't tell. It was interesting but I miss not being a grunt. Sometimes.

Am I smart? I like to think so, but am I a genius? No, certainly not.

Do I feel smarter than Bush? Quite a lot.

IQ tests do not mean anything. GPAs either. Some smart people do not do as well as some idiots, because they did not take the same classes, or the teacher is more lenient, or simply the smart guy wants to spend more time doing other things.

It cracks me up when I hear that Bush had a higher GPA that Kerry. Well, that proves that Bush is better at doing what he is asked to do and that Kerry is a maverick.

I did not do well at school, to be frank, good thing I had a passion for computers and programming, somehow software engineers are paid better than teachers.

[GOPBasher]

80. Sorry, but I think GPA's do mean something.

They don't measure how smart people are, but they are a factor in determining how hard someone works. Usually, I think people with high GPA's are hard workers. And there are other factors, of course. People with low GPA's aren't necessarily lazy; they may have to work more (as in paid work) during school, or they may have kids to take care of, or they may simply be bad test-takers. But I think a high GPA is one of many indications that someone is a pretty hard worker. Just my opinion.

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. No chance in Hell

Maybe 12.5, and they forgot the decimal point?

[smokey nj]

3. Maybe they forgot to put in a decimal point .

[WA98296]

8. Good one!

[That Is Quite Enough]

4. I know the ad you're talking about. The IQ changes from time to time.

I've seen it at 100, 125 and a couple others before.

[shadowknows69]

7. Lol, I guess the decider don't know how smurt he is.

[oldtime dfl_er]

22. I saw it at 99 once

and figured it was correct, or close.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Maybe for the whole family, but that's a stretch, too.

[ddeclue]

6. Only when using the metric system...

divide by 2.54 to get his actual IQ, 49.2

:rofl:

[melody]

9. IQ is a capacity to learn not evidence of learning

You can have a 200 IQ and be dumb as a mud fence.

[DCKit]

23. Not dumb, but completely lacking in "common sense".

But 125? Really? That's considered gifted - and I'm not talking "differently" gifted. There's no way in hell. Without the MSM, the Neocons, PNACers and the loyalists, he'd have gone down in flames before the 2000 election.

I've been around awhile and can't recall any famous personality with as many enablers or given as many free passes.

[melody]

28. If you use 100% of a 110 IQ, you are smarter than someone who uses half of a 200 IQ

That's my point. It's the capacity to know, it's not what he actually knows. He's a howling idiot, no question.

[pokerfan]

49. I agree

It isn't the best analogy in the world but I feel the human mind is not unlike a muscle. It needs exercise.

"A man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them."
-Mark Twain

Whatever brain cells he didn't destroy snortin' whiskey and drinkin' cocaine have died either from loneliness or atrophy. He has never stuck me as a man with much interest in book smarts or even much curiosity about the world around him.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[TK421]

10. Wrong source....sorry, but that was his body weight at one time during his heavy coke-use days

[Tallison]

11. Double post

[Ishoutandscream2]

12. Hell, that's my IQ

Measured by the Stanford Binet I took about ten years ago. I am now thoroughly depressed.

[RagAss]

13. No Fucking Way He's a 105 tops....

[20score]

14. It's a little known fact that his father was able to buy 50 IQ points from his contacts from Yale.

They're not real points per se, but..you know, lipstick on a pig.

[SmileyRose]

15. I thought 125 would be average.

IQ changes over time, mostly because the test is subjective, IMHO. But I *KNOW* I'm average and the lowest I have ever tested is 138.

[DevonRex]

26. No. There are 2 accepted IQ tests. And in neither would 125

be considered average.

[DCKit]

39. 138 is exceptional.... who told you that you were average? n/t

[SmileyRose]

71. I'm pretty average

My SAT's were just below 1000, I struggled in college to the point I wasn't able to juggle working with studies and ended up getting too tired to go on. (so I never finished). I have my talents, don't misunderstand, but after nearly 50 years in this world and seeing some pretty dang smart people around me and some pretty dang stupid people around me, I am definitely AVERAGE.

[tpsbmam]

16. No chance in hell is his IQ 125......

That's the "superior range." My dogs are smarter than Bush. The average physician is in the high average range (110-119) just to give you a frame of reference.

[beac]

17. If IQ stands for 'Idiot Quotient" then I believe it. Otherwise, no way in hell. n/t

[Marr]

18. Only if IQ tests give out bonus points for legacies.

I think it's pretty obvious that Junior has below average intelligence.

[Turbineguy]

19. No way.

Bush can't be that smart.

[nc4bo]

20. hehe more like 1+2+5=8

[Faux pas]

21. 125 is probably his hat size, NO WAY that's his IQ!

;)

[Alcibiades]

50. 125 would be huge

I have a pretty big head, and take 7 7/8. A size 125 hat? That's big.

[Phredicles]

57. His EGO's hat size is 125;

He probably still can't think of a single mistake he's ever made.

[Faux pas]

70. 125 would probably fit his over inflated empty fat head. For sure

there's nothing inside it.

[eShirl]

24. 125 isn't really all that much for a Harvard grad

besides, it's not your IQ it's what you do with it

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

25. I tested once at 135

No freaking way am I only 10 points smarter than Bush!

[DevonRex]

27. Trust me, his IQ ain't 125. nt

[ColbertWatcher]

29. I hope you don't believe everything you see on the internets.

But, if you do, I am a Nigerian prince ...

[shadowknows69]

30. lol, I'll get my routing number hold on.

[ColbertWatcher]

31. Please hurry. n/t

[shadowknows69]

37. By the way, I'm completely friggin broke

Still want it?

[Lucky 13]

32. Wow. He must have been sober that day.

Aberration.

[Orsino]

33. He entered office with a 125 left over from Clinton...

...but will of course leave behind a huge deficit. Hell, if Obama doesn't disinfect carefully, he'll probably lose twenty points the first time he sits in the big chair.

[shadowknows69]

36. Lol

Duzy

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. ROFLMAO!

:rofl: Must've lower the bar on IQ. :silly:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. They obviously tested the pretzel, not the container.

[HughBeaumont]

38. Really? Let me see if this works. I'm Pope John Paul the Second.

Hey, I said it and I'm sure I can find about 12 batshit insane people who talk to light poles on Cleveland's streets who'd agree with me, so it MUST be true.

Bewsh cannot even form a coherent sentence. He can't even get the phrase "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" right in front of a small audience.

I'm guessing learning capacity is dictated by the dictators as well as history. If that's true, I weep for our future.

[ThoughtCriminal]

40. Well yes, but that's not base 10

Octal at best, base 6 at worst.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary math and those who don't.

[annabanana]

41. No No No. . . ."1. 25". . . get it RIGHT people!. . . n/t

[gulliver]

42. But the person he is playing is more like 92...and that person is...

...the president.

[NC_Nurse]

43. That was BEFORE drugs and alcohol took their toll.

[chicagoexpat]

44. Only on a VERY GENEROUS curve (the famed "gentleman's curve" employed @ Yale for the rich & fatuous)

[truebrit71]

45. If you count his score three times maybe..

...otherwise I call bullshit...

[JitterbugPerfume]

46. yeah right , his IQ is 125 AND

I am fk'ing Einstein

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. Then mine must be 250

[Riddler]

48. Maybe they measured it in metric. 125 kph = 77 mph

[Alcibiades]

51. He very well may have scored 125

There is a class bias to IQ tests, or so it's been alleged. If so, then the construct that IQ measures may be something other than intelligence: it may be whether one has gotten the sort of upbringing the folks who designed the tests regard as "good." If that's the case, then 125 may be a fairly low score for someone such as Bush, who certainly had every advantage. (See Schiff & Lewontin).

Also, we would want to know what test was used. My wife's a psychologist, and she's tested me with several different ones. The one her grad school regarded as definitive at the time was the Weschler (WAIS, in whatever version), which has a number of different subtests. Bush probably did about average at the verbal tasks, but he might have been good at some of the performance subtests. You can also get better at the test, so if he took the test 10 times and scored 125 on the last one, then his actual IQ is probably lower. It also is the case that most folks score lower as they age. If the reported score of 125 is based on a test Bush took in the Air National Guard, then his score today is probably much lower, given his notorious intellectual sloth.

For what it's worth, IQ probably does measure something. Mine's fairly high, and I do have a PhD, so it seems possible that it is some sort of predictor of academic success. (Of course, it could be the other way around: if your mom takes you aside in first grade and tells you you're smarter than 99% of the population, she's also probably going to treat you differently, and you're probably going to act differently, than if you'd never taken the test.) I've also made some really, really stupid calls in my life for which all my vaunted book learning availed me little. The WAIS has no real social component, and so you can have a high IQ, swell verbal skills, and do great at block design, but not be able to tell if someone is lying to you, if you are being manipulated, or when someone wants to be your friend. This form of intelligence, this social cunning, is one area where I think Bush probably has a higher than average score.

[riverdeep]

85. The source of this dubious claim comes from just one guy,

Steve Sailor. He believes with every fiber of his being in the Bell Curve, and believes IQ is everything. According to him, Bush's is 125, Kerry is 120, and Gore is 134. All these things are based on things like their SAT scores and tests administered for the military when they were in their teens and twenties. To have one guy as the source of all of this is a bit odd. Multiple analysis from different people would be better. He does seek opinions from a couple of others, but one of them is Charles Murray.

According to him, Bush is extremely competitive but highly uncurious, and plays dumb as a form of camouflage.

I won't link to the site because it is basically an intellectual version of a white supremacy site, but you can google 'bush kerry iq'.

[Canuckistanian]

52. Did he take the test on a Diebold machine?

That's the only way that fucktard could even get CLOSE to 125.

[pdxmom]

53. Damn, don't you hate those misplaced decimals? That should be 12.5 N/T

[Renaissance Man]

54. 125

A 125 IQ is not that hard to attain. If you're in the 140+ range, then you're brilliant.

IQ tests that I've taken range anywhere from 130-145 depending upon the test.

[misanthrope]

55. 100 is median average for general population**nm

**

[Posteritatis]

58. 125? Maybe in octal. (nt)

[entanglement]

63. That's 85 in base 10...still sounds a tad high

:P

[TheKentuckian]

59. Bush is more intellectually lazy and incurious than anything

He also thinks he already has all the answers, so...well, there's no room for further data at that point.

The sad thing is McShame is a couple notches below and so are those he surrounds himself with.

[verges]

60. Son of a gun.

He certainly hides it well.

[DCKit]

78. Many Bushels. Countless, Unending Bushels. A Cornucopia.

Teh CIA is taking notes.

[boppers]

61. I'm a 186'er. I can believe it, having seen him "slip" and not try to "pass".

Bush only *seems* stupid, because that's how he plays the game.

It wins elections to be a "common man", to seem like an "average guy/girl".

The American populace has been trained to distrust intellect from a very young age.

[Barack_America]

62. That's according to a test that measures "Capacity for Pure Evil"...

Cheney is off the charts.

[JVS]

64. I believe it. I knew a guy who tested 130, he was an ass.

The funniest thing is he held a grudge against the kids in the gifted program at school. One day in AP History he was bitching about it and said "You guys get it so good and just because of 5 points I don't get in" A buddy of mine said "130? That's far too low" Oh it was grand; he was so pissed off.

[The Hope Mobile]

67. Unfortunately IQ is not an indicator of character . . .

[The Hope Mobile]

65. 100 is average. He probably is 125 but Cheney is over 150.

Most of the people on this board are 125 or above. He's smart enough to know he's making some serious bank from being the president. He's smart enough to lie to our faces. He doesn't figure out how to do it. THAT takes serious intellect and he doesn't have that.

[dems_rightnow]

82. You can't be serious

about "most of the people on this board are 125 and above". That's something like the top 5%.

[The Hope Mobile]

87. actually its about top 20-25% from what I understand and I've seen the bell curves

though I can't remember precise numbers anymore. 125 really isn't that amazing. I'm over 140, most of my friends are higher than me. Democrats/liberals tend to have much higher IQs (no BS) because they are more critical thinkers/more analytical/more flexible in their ability to think in the abstract. They (we) can shift mental landscapes and paradigms more easily which allows us to be more empathic. People on a board like this want to be mentally challenged and think outside the box (not to say there's no stubbornness) but most of us aren't dems just because we were raised that way and didn't think it through. Repubs/conservatives tend to buy whatever's being sold which is why the MSM propaganda works for them. The lemming mentality. That's more of an average IQ. Able to function, work, pay bills, hate, judge without knowing, etc. Sad but true.
As I said Bush is smart enough to realize that his behavior is criminal but not smart enough to think about anything beyond the immediate gratification though he is pretty proficient at CYA techniques. He's not the planner or the orchestrator. That takes greater intelligence ie Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz et al.

[JVS]

66. consider, this test was done before W ever picked up a beer

[Sivafae]

68. Any stripper'll tell you, it takes a lot of smarts to act that dumb. nt

[book_worm]

69. No, that's -125

[IDemo]

72. You need to consider the units: 125 morans = IQ of 63

[LeftishBrit]

73. Internet IQ tests are totally unreliable

Not even getting into the debate over the more general validity of IQ tests (very controversial issue), but if a test is thought really to measure IQ, it is not made widely available, in case people practice taking it and thus don't give a valid result when tested on it at a later stage.

Thus, Bush's score on an internet IQ test would tell us nothing about his actual intelligence.

[bean fidhleir]

74. 100 is the middle of "average", but there's measurement slop of about 15 points

So anything from 85 to 115 is considered average.

A score of 116-132 is characterized as "bright", and it's possible that Bush legitimately scores in that range, because the only consensus among psychologists is that IQ tests measure IQ. There's no consensus about the tests measuring "intelligence" (or even that there is any such atomic quality as "intelligence")

[PfcHammer]

75. Prolly a printing error. Should say 125 proof. hehe

:toast: :beer:

[Burma Jones]

76. He's not as dumb as he is lazy.........

And being lazy brained is a good definition of stupid.

[arthritisR_US]

77. that seems awfully high for him...n/t

[Enthusiast]

79. A true estimate would be 92. nt

[MiniMe]

81. Let me guess: The test was scored by Diebold

[Hubert Flottz]

83. I didn't know that they had touch screen IQ tests too...

[Nikia]

84. It's possible

I read somewhere that 140 is the average IQ of a Yale graduate. Even though he didn't do great grade wise, he still managed to graduate without putting in a lot of hard work.
Al Gore also says that George Bush is not stupid like some people think. I think that Mr. Gore would be a good judge of that.
I have also noticed that Bush has seemed to get a lot dumber since he first ran for president. I don't know if this is because of stress, drugs/alcohol, other health problems, or an act. Perhaps it is a combination.

[laststeamtrain]

86. Isn't that the aggregate for the whole family? n/t

[Duke Newcombe]

88. There's an IQ, and there's practical application

Bush ain't got the second right, so the number doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Also, the "normal" range for IQ scores is between 85 and 115.

Duke

[Oak2004]

89. Makes sense: just smart enough to be manipulative, but not smart enough to be genuinely bright n/t

[leftofthedial]

90. there is no test that a rich frat-boy repuke can't buy an A on

[krispos42]

91. I'll buy that

He's narcissistic, psychotic, very ambitious, intellectually uncurious, has trouble-with cause-and-effect relationships (both by birth and by breeding), and can readily reject facts if they don't fit with his established mental framework. All of which has little to do with his ability to solve problems, understanding geometric relationships, etc.