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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:33 PM
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Make no bones about it. Using a person's name repeatedly in a conversation with them is patronizing
Palin's use of "Charlie" continuously throughout interviews is not folksy nor is it informal and warm. It is a pattern of communication that communicates displeasure and a desire to be in charge of the direction of talk. Who else would she be referring to in a one-on-one interview? Why the need to use his name again and again?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:34 PM
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1. Because she knew nothing and she was grappling for more
time to come up with an answer.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:35 PM
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2. Patronizing in what respect, Charlie? NT
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:36 PM
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4. LOL!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:37 PM
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6. You stole my line
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :rofl:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:35 PM
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3. She kept using it because his name was the only thing she was sure of
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:36 PM
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5. In wot respek, Chaaaaarrrlie?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:38 PM
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7. Chaaarrrrley, chaaaaarrrrrrrrrley, chaaaaaaarrrrrrrrlllllleeeyyyy
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:12 PM
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16. rofl
:rofl: thanks, I needed that.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:40 PM
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8. Really?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:41 PM
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9. too cute. nt
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:41 PM
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10. it kinda reminds me of
my friend ( McCain speak)

condescending and annoying
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:42 PM
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11. don't hurt me cherlie
I'm a reformer, cherlie!
I fired the chef, cherlie!

in terms of his world view, cherlie?
stand to the readiness, cherlie I didn't blink.

PALINESE: incomprehensible dribble (see Poor Cherlie's response: "I got lost in a sea of words" or some such cry for help)
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:45 PM
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12. I found it
really, really (Really, Charlie?) irritating. Like she was trying to point out something obvious to a child. Condescending and smarmy.
But then, I just don't like her
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:06 PM
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37. oh, me too....
so annoying...condensending, ingenuous...suck-up-ish
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:58 PM
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13. Its a sales technique.
Also part of a number of things that you should do as described in the book "how to make people like you"

People just love hearing their own name.

Furthermore, people who like you, tend to go easier on you in a combative situation. Poker is a good example of this.

Put it all together and its obvious why she was doing it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:05 PM
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15. lol! If she were selling me something and used my name with That voice, I'd run in the opposite
direction!

My orange kitty's name is Charlie and it makes me laugh every time I talk to him now!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:22 PM
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30. It is, but it's become cliched from overuse.
These days, every time someone uses my name at every opportunity when talking to me, I either a) ask myself what that person is trying to sell me or b) feel like a little kid getting scolded. ("Why did you do that, Berry? Berry, you know better than that. I thought we had discussed what needed to be done here, Berry...")
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:01 PM
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36. No doubt
And once you are clued in on how people use it to influence you, it becomes very obvious when others are using it.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:03 PM
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14. Wrong, CLW! It make people feel important, CLW.
Don't you feel important, now, CLW?

Actually it creeps me out and I think it's used as a subtle form of intimidation.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:39 PM
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21. Right you are, rucky. It creeps me out too. When co-workers use it (usually the boss), I cringe.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:20 PM
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17. Patronizing? Maybe. But also a proven technique of creating sympathy with the listener.
In sales, you are taught that people always respond to you favorably when you use their name.

If you're trying to sell something (which she clearly is) you call the person by name as much as possible.

Proof positive that we're getting a snow job from Caribou Barbie.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:25 PM
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32. And that's exactly why I automatically get my defenses up when I hear it.
I sense that the person who uses it is trying to sell me something and has read or heard somewhere that using my name a lot of times will help.

Either that or, as I say, it's used the way a parent uses a child's name to get attention when reprimanding the child.

Either circumstance is not one in which I will feel good.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:29 PM
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18. Dale Carnegie and "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (1937) disagrees.
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 01:32 PM by TahitiNut
This has been the most prevalent baseline for training sales people and corporate insiders for over 50 years. "Remember that a man's name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language"is a maxim very frequently espoused in such circles.

Sadly, however, Sarah cannot even fake camaraderie ... and DOES come off sounding patronizing and presumptive.

Six Ways to Make People Like You

* "Become genuinely interested in other people."
* "Smile."
* "Remember that a man's name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language."
* "Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves."
* "Talk in the terms of the other man's interest."
* "Make the other person feel important and do it sincerely."


(If you can't do it sincerely, fake it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:36 PM
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20. She was being addressed as Governor Palin
so her constant repetition of "charlie" came off as one addressing an errant underling.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:39 PM
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22. It has to do with the manner and tone. If Obama addressed him as "Charlie" in an interview ...
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 01:45 PM by TahitiNut
... I have no doubt it'd come off sounding far friendlier and more sincere. The problem is that she's not sincere ... and doesn't fake it very well. She was EXTREMELY adversarial ... like a cornered rat. She's a person who DEMANDS 'deference' and is obviously inclined to challenge folks with "Who are YOU to question ME?" Her most habitual posture is clearly an adversarial one ... sarcasm, cynicism, insults, demeaning and dismissive. That NEVER translates into "let's be friends."

Obama, on the other hand, habitually adopts the "let's reason together" tone ... one of collaboration and collegiality. Folks not accustomed to academic or facilitated team contexts often react to such a posture as "elitist" when they have a deep-seated lack of self-esteem.

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:49 PM
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24. Dale Carnegie was wrong
I cannot stand it when salespeople or others I hardly know call me by my first name. It grates on my nerves.

In day-today business, I always use whatever honorific is appropriate, unless the person I'm addressing tells me otherwise.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:07 PM
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38. When smarmy sales people start using my first name, I will correct them
And ask that they use my preferred salutation and last name (Ms Surname). And I will ask their last name if they only identify themselves with their first name. That puts everything on a more formal tone and tends to intimidate them. If I really want to be snotty and "put them in their place" I will use their first name but still insist that they use my salutation and last name.
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io-solip Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:54 PM
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26. Maybe, but more than once every 5 minutes or so is just creepy.
IMO
:-)
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:24 PM
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31. Welcome to DU!
:hi: and not only was it creepy, but I think she is mentally ill - her pattern of speech overall is curious.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:31 PM
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19. Dale Carnegie disagrees.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:42 PM
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23. It really depends on context, and the relationship between the two people involved.
It's clear we all see the phoniness involved. "Charlie" did not buy it and neither did the viewing public. Part of her total "fingernails on the blackboard" persona.
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io-solip Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:51 PM
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25. Her mommy told her it's a good way to remember names. I guess when she shampoos,
she follows the "lather, rinse and repeat" directions until the whole damn bottle is empty...
:shrug:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:06 PM
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27. I coulda been a contender, instead of a bum which is what I am, Charley.
Full quote from On the Waterfront (Brando):

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Charley.
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:03 PM
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28. With apologies to Bobby Short and Charlie perfume:
There’s a question and Sarah's blank and she looks at...Charlie!
Bush Doctrine question and she can't say, so she sputters...Charlie!
That's not fair, that's not nice, Charlie.
She hunts moose and birthed five, Charlie!

You'll be sorry when she's in charge, better hear now, Charlie!
Disloyal scribes, whether small or large, can be dealt with, Charlie!
She shakes her fist and she glares, Charlie!
Best to ask 'bout her hair, Charlie!




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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:26 PM
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34. Excellent!!
I was thinking of that little jingle, too!

She wants you to think she's the "Charlie Girl," and she is--if you count how many times she says "Charlie"!
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:17 PM
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29. At least she had the sense not to call him "Chuck."
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:27 PM
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35. Then she'd be Peppermint Patty.
Or she could try playing "The Name Game" with him.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:26 PM
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33. nothing but
filler, so she wouldn't forget who she was talking to.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:12 PM
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39. It means she's the one "in charge"----she's the leader here, not him
This interview cemented her pathology but unfortunately, the fundamentalists loved it.
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