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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:47 PM
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Obama's campaign would be over, done, cooked, imploded if (sourced)
The thread that DUer Old and In the Way posted is making a bit of a buzz on GD;P, this is really just that thread with sources, for those that don't wander over there too often. (I also posted this as a separate thread in GD;P)



Original thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7042829

A work in progress...

DUer Old and In the Way made a list (thank you!) of McCainisms that if Obama had amassed would sink him. I went about adding a source for each claim sticking to as many mainstream sources as possible.

Critiques requested, especially: more sources per claim, or is more than one overboard? What's a good source for something that is more of an opinion, like "-he picked a Veep with the same skill set and experience as Sarah Palin."? I chose Sullivan because he's old school conservative.

Also: "he had a lobbyist that got him to intercede with the FCC on broadcasting licensing with a potential sex angle involved." I'd never heard of this. Check out the source if this is the same story. Pretty sure it is.

Here, added the part in bold: he was 72 years old with a medical history of numerous occurrences of cancer and only allowed reporters to view the stack of health records for 3 hours

This: "-he thought rich was making $5MM/year." A bit distorted stated this way? He says it was a joke. The article linked, however, does take this into account with interesting analysis.

Changed: "-he let Michelle show up for his nominating convention, wearing $280,000 worth of jewels." to $302,500, based on average of estimates given.

Included an extra source: "-he stated that Joe Biden probably knew more about energy than any other person in the US." because the first one was from an environmental site- oh noes!

This: "-he graduated 894/895 in his class and crash 4 jets while in the military." also contains a blog posting as one source. Included as a fleshing out of his time there, but may want to remove for straight fact. Changed 894/895 to 894/899. Took the 'crash 4 jets' part out. According to factcheck he didn't. They did say that the Navy has never released any of the records of the crashes (two), and the source for the correction is two books, one by McCain. Still, not going with it until a good source confirms otherwise. In fact, he was given awards for his aviation skills. Good pilot, bad President.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_mccain_crash_five_planes.html

Finally, what does "IOKIYAR" stand for?







(original, with sources and noted changes)



Obama's campaign would be over, done, cooked, imploded if:


-he used his office to allow his wife to carry narcotics for her consumption on a diplomatic passport.

"A Tangled Story of Addiction"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103928_pf.html


-he had a scandal where he traded campaign favors for political influence ala Keating 5.

"The Keating Five"
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter7.html


-he picked a Veep with the same skill set and experience as Sarah Palin.

"Frum on Palin"
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/frum-on-palin.html#more


-he called his wife a trollop and c**t in public.

"Book: McCain temper boiled over in '92 tirade, called wife a 'c**t'"
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html


-he couldn't remember what border Afghanistan was on.

"Critics Pile On As McCain Gaffes Pile Up"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/politics/politico/main4281173.shtml


-he kept confusing Iraq with Iran.

"Democrats seize on McCain's Iraq gaffe during Middle East tour"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3582503.ece


-he involved himself in a regional conflict that has no strategic value to this country.

"On Morning of 9/11 Attacks, McCain Immediately Began Making the Case for War"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/11/mccain-iraq-911


-he surrounded himself with a lobbyist operation of 150 people to manage his campaign.

"McCain's Lobbyists" (website)
http://www.mccainslobbyists.com/

"The Anti-Lobbyist, Advised by Lobbyists"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022101131.html?hpid=topnews


-he dumped his 1st wife for a 24YO heiress to a beer fortune, committing adultery in the process.

"McCain’s broken marriage fractured other ties as well"
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/11/nation/na-divorce11


-he had a lobbyist that got him to intercede with the FCC on broadcasting licensing with a potential sex angle involved.

"McCain Disputed On 1999 Meeting"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202634_pf.html


-he was 72 years old with a medical history of numerous occurrences of cancer and only allowed reporters to view the stack of health records for 3 hours

"Medical files indicate McCain in reasonably good health"
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/05/24/20080524mccain-health0524.html


-he was celebrating his birthday with a cake while New Orleans was drowning.

"Judge Me On My Own Record"
http://www.newsweek.com/id/133551

"Katrina Kerfuffle"
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/katrina_kerfuffle.html


-he was in a Party that has been a governing disaster for the past 8 years.

"61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst"
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html


-he had falsely fingered Iraq for the 9/11 attack.

"McCain's record on Iraq: eager to attack"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/636


-he had fellow Senators of his Party publicly worried about his temper and temperament to be POTUS.

"GOP Senators Reassess Views About McCain"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/03/AR2008020303242.html


-he was caught on camera celebrating his birthday with a celebrity and indicted con artist in some exotic locale.

"What Was John McCain Doing on a Yacht with a Conman, a K Street Lobbyist and a Hollywood Celebrity?"
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/09/12/mccain-with-conman-raffaello-follieri-lobbyist-rick-davis-celebrity-anne-hathaway-on-a-yacht


-he couldn't remember how many houses he owned.

"Politico: McCain Can't Recall Number of Homes He Owns"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajB-vsqgZ3o&feature=related


-he violated campaign rules about flying in private aircraft, owned by his wife, at no charge to his campaign.

"McCain campaign violates own travel policy"
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/27/mccain_campaign_violates_own_travel_policy


-he thought rich was making $5MM/year.

"Who's rich? McCain and Obama have very different definitions"
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rich18-2008aug18,0,1063695.story


-he let Michelle show up for his nominating convention, wearing $302,500 worth of jewels.

"Cindy McCain's $300,000 Outfit"
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html


-he continued to lie about his VP's accomplishments. particularly on earmarks and the bridge to nowhere.

"Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans"
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901


-he stated that Joe Biden probably knew more about energy than any other person in the US.

"McCain on Palin: Epic fail"
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/11/101042/343

"Energetically Wrong"
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html


-he graduated 894/899 in his class

"What was John McCain's graduation rank?"
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_John_McCain%27s_graduation_rank

"A Few Tidbits About McCains Military Service"
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17294


If he were running as a Republican, these problems wouldn't matter. IOKIYAR
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:52 PM
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1. Going out for the day, check in later. n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:54 PM
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2. K&R
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:00 PM
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3. "IOKIYAR" = "It's OK If You're A Republican"
Great post--thanks for the sourcing!
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 04:26 AM
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6. Yeah, I found that out on the other thread. n/t
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:06 PM
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4. IOKIYAR
It's ok if you are republican ... ?!

K/R

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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:30 PM
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5. Thank You!
Will keep on hand when I get another nasty, lying Repug Email.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 04:39 AM
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7. Excellent research! Well done! Thank you! k+r, n/t
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