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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:27 PM
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My latest med pot mission: Testifying for New Mexico's mmj production/distribution regulations
Good Saturday afternoon, all y'all.

I've just come back from another five day trip to New Mexico, this time to give both verbal and written testimony regarding that state's proposed regulations for medical marijuana possession, production AND distribution. New Mexico can truly be the model, given their legislation's explicit support for state-monitored production facilities to provide timely and cost-effective access to medical marijuana. Here's an excerpt from some of the press coverage the hearings got.
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Albuquerque Alibi: September 11, 2008

The Marijuana Model: How can the state get medical cannabis to patients?
By Marisa Demarco

"SANTA FE—Bernie Ellis has an unusual history for a proponent of medical marijuana. In the early '90s, he came to New Mexico to set up a substance-abuse program for the Centers for Disease Control. 'I'm still an advocate for reducing the health effects for substance abuse,' he says. 'Part of the reason I can have a foot in both worlds is that I think it's criminal that we've criminalized marijuana.'

"Ellis has been a consumer, producer and provider of medical marijuana for decades. He uses it to combat the symptoms of degenerative joint disease and fibromyalgia. Six years ago, he says, he refused to sell pot to a drug dealer, so the dealer tipped off the drug task force. His Tennessee farm was raided. 'So both my résumé and my rap sheet make me an expert in this field,' he says.

"Before the raid, he came back to the state in 2001 to testify to the Legislature on why it should close drive-through alcohol windows. That's when he started talking to Gov. Gary Johnson about medical marijuana. 'I made the licensed producer argument at that point,' he says.

"Years later, he’s back in the state to talk to a panel of Department of Health officials on Monday, Sept. 8, about dispensing medical cannabis. 'You really have laid out regulations that will allow you to be first in line if you ever decide to do this right,' he says. He traveled 1,200 miles from Santa Fe, Tenn., to Santa Fe, N.M., to attend the hearing along with about 80 people from around New Mexico—patients, growers, farmers, lawyers and business owners.

"'Your program is not what it was intended to be,' Ellis says. 'You're not a model program now, but you will be a model program if these production and distribution regulations can be developed.'"
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See the full article:

http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=24547&scn=news&submit_user_comment=y&fullstory=y

If any of you are interested, I'll be happy to post my written remarks that I distributed along with my oral testimony in New Mexico on this thread. I would also be happy to summarize some of my half-dozen deep discussions with folks interested in this issue in New Mexico. I know we have lots of med pot supporters here at DU, and all y'all should be following (and supporting) what is going on in the Enchanted Land.

If any state can get us headed (finally) in the right direction regarding med pot, it's New Mexico, particularly with Governor Richardson continuing to take the lead on this critically important issue.
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independentpiney Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:13 PM
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1. Please, I'd be most interested
It's begun to be discussed here in NJ, with production and distribution control being the main hangups from what I understand.
Thank you for your perserverence and hard work on this.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:34 PM
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2. Thank you, my friend & neighbor, for keeping up the good fight..
... MMJ is a very important issue. Complete legalization/decriminalization is the ultimate goal, but people with medical needs *do* come first. I hope I live to see the day that it's legal for every adult in the US who wants or needs it...

Peace!

Doug

Everyone kick & recommend this thread like I did if you agree with legalizing MMJ..

:kick:

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:49 PM
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3. I would also be interested
You've become our window into what's going on, on the issue of MM.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:08 PM
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4. Very interested
And how great of you to be involved! I skimmed the article at the link. Inspecting a patient's home on demand is not anything like acceptable, I'll say that right now. I'm sure you agree. I'm just saying that notion gives me the chills.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:55 PM
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5. Here is my written handout at the hearings.
Comments on the Proposed Regulations for the
New Mexico Medical Cannabis Program

Bernard H. Ellis, Jr., MA, MPH
Consultant Epidemiologist

September 8, 2008

I am very pleased to be able to offer input into the development of New Mexico’s medical cannabis regulations. My interest in the success of your program dates from the time when I established the New Mexico Department of Health’s Substance Abuse Epidemiology Unit (in 1991 and 1992). Although I was already well aware of the many medically beneficial uses for cannabis from my tenure at the National Cancer Institute, I learned how important cannabis has been in the therapeutic arsenals of both New Mexican American Indian tribes and Hispanic villages for centuries, and how those communities had developed successful parameters for the proper use of this medicine. And then, in the late 1990s, as I tracked the improvements in reducing alcohol abuse in Gallup and McKinley County and used that information to help persuade your legislature to close drive-up windows for alcohol sales statewide, I had the opportunity to provide input into the development of your state’s proposed medical cannabis program, particularly that section that proposes to license and monitor large-scale producers in order to allow immediate access to medical cannabis for patients who are diagnosed with diseases and conditions that qualify them for program participation. I am very pleased that this program component has survived intact after six years in the legislative process.

In my opinion, New Mexico is in the best possible position to transform how we access and use medical cannabis in this country. Your cultural traditions and centuries of use of this medicine, your innovative legislative model and the strong and persistent support that your governors, past and present, have given this effort are unmatched in this country. With all of those positive supports, there is every reason why New Mexico should become the model for the implementation of medical cannabis programs nationwide. That is, if you are willing to remain true to your traditions and to your vision. There are many forces (e.g., the feds, the pharmaceutical industry, inertia, fear of the unknown) that can impede you in assuming this singular position, if you let them. To avoid this fate, you must accept that a program that best serves sick and dying people in New Mexico (indeed, the rest of the country) will not happen without serious effort and commitment, and will not occur if you design your program to meet the capricious acquiescence of the federal forces of prohibition. This is a singular moment in history, and it will demand everything that moments like this require – courage, intelligence, persistence. After all, sometimes when you want to be revolutionary, it falls upon you to start the revolution.

The discussion we are having today about the initial parameters of your medical cannabis program is very important for getting you started in the right direction. The past year has been used to begin informing patients and the medical community about the value of program participation. However, with fewer than 200 patients now enrolled in your program and no provisions yet in place to allow caregivers and larger-scale producers to grow, process and distribute cannabis; it is certainly time to move forward. This is particularly important because, contrary to the deliberations in your legislature about the small numbers of patients who would benefit from your program, the truth is that many thousands of New Mexicans are now eligible for program participation and thousands more suffer from other medical conditions for which cannabis use has proven beneficial.

A cursory review of the prevalence of persons with qualifying medical conditions in New Mexico is quite revealing. For 2007 (unless otherwise indicated), the estimated numbers of persons with qualifying conditions in New Mexico are as follows:

Cancer: 55,000-60,000 living with cancer; 8,000 new diagnoses each year.
Glaucoma: 13,185 (2002 estimate)
Epilepsy: 9,500 (1986-90 estimate)
HIV/AIDS: 3,500 (165 new diagnoses each year)
Multiple sclerosis: 3,000
Hospice admissions: 7,500

I have been unable to find good information on the prevalence of the specific spinal cord injury that qualifies patients. Even without that information, there are over 46,000 persons in New Mexico who now have medical conditions that qualify them for program participation. (I included only new cancer diagnoses in this total, which is likely an underestimate of the number of cancer patients who would benefit from cannabis use.)

With so many eligible patients, why have so few enrolled in the program? Very likely, it is because your program, as it is currently operating, provides patients with no more immediate access, and no better avenues, to obtain medicine than existed before your program was launched. That is not to say that fewer than 200 patients in these eligible populations have used cannabis or have benefited from its use. It is to say that, in the absence of a more timely and trustworthy mechanism for accessing medicine, many patients will continue to use cannabis under the radar, as they have done for decades.

In order to make your program the model program it is meant to be, it is critically important that your draft regulations be changed to meet the needs of your patients. I have provided detailed comments on the draft regulations to program staff, and I would be happy to share those comments with anyone who is interested. To summarize now, your regulations should be changed to allow the following:

1) Patients must be allowed to grow and possess enough cannabis to meet their needs. At a minimum, the number of plants that patients are allowed to grow should be increased to 12 flowering female plants and 24 non-flowering, vegetative plants. Likewise, patients must be allowed to possess enough useable medicine to allow them access to a maximum of one ounce of medicine per week. Thus, with a single outdoor crop, patients should be allowed to harvest up to a maximum of three pounds of medicine to meet their annual needs. (The actual amount would be 3.25 pounds, but rounding down to 3 pounds is more reasonable than requiring that patients survive on six ounces per year.)

2) The number of patients that a single caregiver is allowed to help should be increased to eight patients from the current four. That would allow caregivers to grow up to 96 flowering female plants and twice that number of non-flowering, vegetative plants.

3) Licensed producers should not be restricted in terms of the number of flowering and non-flowering plants they can grow. However, they should be able to justify their production levels to the NMDOH both in terms of meeting the immediate needs of new patients and the ongoing needs of continuing patients in their catchment area; and produce at a level which allows them to meet all requirements for quality and purity and allows them to manage all aspects of production, processing and distribution required to serve the program.

4) Caregivers and licensed producers must be allowed to recoup all costs associated with their production of medical cannabis, including labor costs. Unless this is done, there will remain a strong incentive to direct medicine to the illicit marketplace. However, by allowing caregivers and licensed producers to be reimbursed for all relevant costs, that temptation is greatly diminished.

5) Since growing cannabis is a very inexact science, both patients and caregivers must have a “no fault” mechanism for dealing with both excess plants and excess dried medicine. They should be able to do this either with the involvement of the NMDOH or its licensed producers.

6) The NMDOH should not assign the production of educational materials to licensed producers or caregivers. Instead, the NMDOH should produce a standard set of educational materials covering cannabis use and production, as well as standardized requirements for patient enrollment and disenrollment.

7) A distribution system should be established that facilitates immediate access to medicine for qualified patients, that maintains regular communication with both patients and their physicians for quality improvement and eligibility purposes, and that can be conducted in the most secure manner possible. The regulations do not now address this distribution system in any detail. Perhaps that will come later.

8) The NMDOH must develop policies and procedures, and increase program staffing, to insure that all aspects of a program that should become a national model for medical marijuana be addressed in the most professional and productive manner possible. These functions include patient and physician enrollment and monitoring; public and professional education; monitoring of grow operations by patients, caregivers and licensed producers; liaison with laboratories doing quality/purity testing; and other functions.



There are a number of other aspects of the proposed regulations that deserve attention and modification. For example, patients who live anywhere should be equally eligible to participate in the program, regardless of whether they live near a daycare center, school or church. Persons who have a previous criminal conviction should be allowed to participate in the program (as a patient, caregiver, or staff member of a licensed producer) once they have completed all requirements of their sentence and are no longer on probation or supervised release. Marijuana leaves should not be considered as useful medicine, because they are not. The functions of caregivers should be more clearly defined to determine whether they are to produce medicine only or also to serve as dispensaries to ration the medicine for patients. Licensed producers must be given the same protection from state criminal and civil penalties as offered to patients and caregivers. The administrative review committee should be expanded to include other professionals as well as patients, caregivers and representatives of licensed producers. The definition of the term “facilities” should be changed so that patients’ homes are not included in the definition. These are a few of the issues that I covered in my written edits of the proposed regulations, but there are others. Again, I am happy to provide those comments to anyone who is interested.

In summary, the NMDOH is in a position to change the public health policy landscape and to create the national model for medical marijuana programs. However, whatever you do will be greatly impacted by whether we maintain our current improper and immoral restrictions at the federal level against medical marijuana or whether we are soon to experience a change in federal medical marijuana policy that we can all believe in.

The positions of the two major Presidential candidates could not illustrate this situation any better. Senator John McCain has often spoken against medical marijuana, stating that “…there are much more effective ways of relieving pain and suffering than the use of marijuana. Therefore, I view it as something I do not support.” Senator Barack Obama, on the other hand, has said that “… using medical marijuana in the same way, with the same controls, as other drugs prescribed by doctors (is) entirely appropriate.” Rather than developing medical marijuana regulations that attempt to conform to the current federal policies (and failing in that effort at every turn), New Mexico should design its program regulations to prepare for a long-overdue, much-needed change in federal policy.

Sometimes if you want to be revolutionary, you must be the one to start the revolution.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:44 PM
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8. I've also worked up plans for three levels of gardening:
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 07:54 PM by Fly by night
1) Patient level: 12 flowering females and 24 non-flowering vegetative plants

2) Caregiver level: Since each caregiver should be able to help up to eight patients, that would mean 96 flowering female plants and 192 non-flowering vegetative plants. (This might be toned down considerably to allow up to 100 plants in toto.)

3) Licensed producer level: I have recommended that the state put no limit on the size of these operations, instead requiring that they justify their level of production based on what they are able to handle and still produce some serious medical-grade ganga. For myself, I am working with a plan to grow no more than one acre of medicine, yielding enough medicine for between 150 - 500 patients (depending on plant spacing, production level and amounts that patients consume.)

All of my plans would have me using semi-permanent hoop houses (17 X 40), designed specifically to handle the late frosts, hail storms and early freezes of the northern New Mexico mountains. I can get 40 of these hoop houses on an acre, with a much smaller indoor space to start clones and other plants.

All of my calculations are based on a consumption level of no more than one ounce a week per patient. However, at that level, patients would be able to harvest and hold three pounds from their outdoor fall harvest to last them the year. Most mmj users can get by on four ounces a month and many will get by on much less. Those few who need more can petition to up their limits.

BTW, my acre model, even with 6-10 full- and part-time employees, should allow me to price the medicine at $50/ounce.

What this country really needs is a good $1 mmj cee-gar.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:55 AM
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10. Awful short list of qualifying conditions
That list excludes many people who benefit from MM in other states.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:18 AM
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11. You're right. Even with NM's short list, I estimate 46,000 people qualify for the program.
This is a really key component of my argument for establishng a well-conceived and closely-monitored system for large-scale production and distribution. There are lots of people who need med pot, and lots using it illegally, with inconsistent quality and purity, than are now being served by New Mexico's program. With some serious work, however, a model program can flower there and blossom for the entire country (puns definitely intended).

Here is a follow-up note on this issue that I posted with the Alibi article:
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Thanks for an excellent article and one important correction (BernieEllis) < Sun Sep 14 2008 10:05 AM >

My thanks to the Alibi and to Marisa Demarco for this well-written and informative article. While it is true that New Mexico has proposed to accomplish ground-breaking changes in how medical marijuana is provided to patients in need, your state is not there yet. But you are at least headed in the right direction. With any luck, and with some major changes in the political landscape around this issue, New Mexico may be in the best position to be the innovative model for medical cannabis production and distribution to state residents in need. I will continue to support movement in that positive direction.

I did want to correct one statement in the article that said I obtained the estimate of 46,000 New Mexicans who are now eligible for medical marijuana by "... by calling medical offices in the state and asking for estimates." That is not what I did.

I did call both state health agencies and private health associations to obtain the most complete and accurate estimates of the prevalence of those diseases and conditions that qualify patients for medical cannabis use in New Mexico. In two cases, I resorted to medical research articles in which state-by-state prevalence estimates had been calculated by national health agencies (e.g., CDC). Even though I spent only a few hours collecting this information, I think it does represent a reasonable starting point for discussing the potential reach right now if a well-conceived and well-run medical marijuana production/distribution program is put in place in your state.

Here are the numbers I was able to obtain for 2007 (unless otherwise indicated), and their source:

Cancer: 55,000-60,000 people living with cancer; 8,000 new diagnoses each year (University of New Mexico Tumor Registry -- these numbers do not include non-malignant skin cancers, which would double these numbers)

Glaucoma: 13,185 (2002 state-by-state estimate)

Epilepsy: 9,500 (1986-90 state-by-state estimate)

(Both of these numbers are likely to be higher in 2007-08 than when they were first calculated.)

HIV/AIDS: 3,500 living with HIV/AIDS; 165 new diagnoses each year. (New Mexico Department of Health)

Multile Sclerosis: 3,000 (National Multiple Sclerosis Society, Rio Grande Division)

Hospice admissions: 7,500 (New Mexico Association for Home and Hospice Care)

I was not able to find good stats (yet) for the specific spinal cord injury that also qualifies patients for admission in New Mexico's medical cannabis program at this moment. Thus, adding these numbers up (and including only new cancer diagnoses), it is not hard to come up with an estimate of now-eligible New Mexico patients that starts around 46,000. If the other medical conditions that have also shown to benefit from cannabis therapy are included in the list of qualifying conditions in New Mexico in the next few years, this number is likely to at least double.

This is why it is so important to develop meaningful, workable and achievable regulations to govern your state's fledgling medical cannabis program. I want to thank the Alibi again for its excellent coverage of that public hearing. I would be happy to answer any questions your readers may have. I can be reached at tracevu@bellsouth.net .
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:45 AM
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26.  it is exclusionary of many patients
And to me that is the whole of the reason for the law. Acess to all those who need the medicine, as decided by the patient and their physicians, not by the State.
Getting that list in line with the other state's list of qualifying conditions is something that will need to be done, for many reasons, as the State will slowly learn.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:56 PM
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6. K&R Now if we could stop TN urine testing for pot for us pain management patients on opioids
If they would let me smoke pot I could cut my need for morphine at least in half if not more.

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:38 AM
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13. One West Virginia patient just sued his doc and clinic over this
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/551/medical_marijuana_PTSD_patient_sues_health_clinic

Medical Marijuana: PTSD Victim Sues West Virginia Pain Management Center for Dismissing Him Because He Smokes Marijuana for Relief

Drug War Chronicle, Issue #551, 9/12/08

Medical marijuana patients are routinely discriminated against in medical settings. Even in medical marijuana states, patients are denied transplants because they are considered "drug abusers." All across the country, medical marijuana patients face problems in obtaining traditional pain treatment, especially because of "pain contracts" used by doctors who either don't understand or believe in medical marijuana or who fear the heavy hand of federal law enforcement, or both. Now, in West Virginia, one patient is fighting back.

Putnam County resident Ronald Sprouse filed a lawsuit September 3 against a doctor and health center, claiming they refused to prescribe him pain medications and dismissed him as a patient after he tested positive for marijuana on June 13. Sprouse is suing the Family Care Health Center, officer manager Janice Amburgey, and Dr. Larry Beker for refusing to treat him because he uses marijuana medicinally.

In his complaint, Sprouse admitted he smokes marijuana and said he does so to relieve the symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. "In addition, the Plaintiff asserts that many medications have been used in the past to attempt to treat his disorder without success," the complaint said. "Only the use of marijuana has proven effective to control the Plaintiff's disorder." Without marijuana, Sprouse wrote, he becomes violent toward his family and is reluctant to leave his home for fear of how he will react to others. "Unless properly medicated the Plaintiff cannot sleep, has night sweats, and bouts of deep depression," the suit said

Sprouse admitted signing a pain contract, or pain management agreement that says: "Unannounced urine or serum toxicology screens may be requested, and your cooperation is required. Presence of unauthorized substances (legal or illegal) will result in discharge from the practice."

But Sprouse argued that the clause is invalid, first because Family Care did not provide him with a list of what it considered unauthorized substances. "Without such a list the Plaintiff had no way of knowing what Family Care considered to be legal or illegal unauthorized substances," the suit said.

He may have better luck with his second argument against the pain contract. He signed the contract under coercion, he argued, because he had to to obtain treatment. "In this case the Plaintiff was forced to sign the Pain Management Agreement or live a life in constant pain with no medication," his complaint said.

Sprouse also argued that he violated the agreement out of medical necessity, not malfeasance. "Family Care was not authorized to prescribe the medication needed to alleviate his serious medical condition, not is any medical professional in the state of West Virginia," the complaint states. "In order to preserve his health, mental stability, and the safety of his family and others, the Plaintiff was forced to medicate himself."

As a remedy, Sprouse is seeking a judgment against the center that would order it to continue treating him and bar it from placing any negative comments in his medical file that would inhibit other doctors or practices from prescribing him medication. He is also seeking court costs.

Sprouse has requested a jury trial. He is representing himself.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:20 PM
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7. Thanks and keep up the good work
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 07:36 AM
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9. One Sunday morning self-kick
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DustyJoe Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:35 AM
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12. Whoopie
Another milestone for my state, the cartels will now be able to truck it legally over the border now I guess. We got rid of Gov Johnson (R) cause he was a pothead.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:40 PM
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16. Wow, you're a real brainiac, huh?
Do you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation, or do prefer just showcasing your ignorance on the subject?

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:49 PM
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17. I see I got deleted for calling this guy out.
His post is just so stupid:

1. Legal medical marijuana would undercut Mexican marijuana imports.

2. You didn't get rid of Gov. Johnson (R) because he was a pot head. He's not a pot head, although he favors drug legalization, and you didn't get rid of him; he served two terms and quit.

3. Gov. Bill Richardson (D) rammed this bill through.

Other than that, everything you said was correct. Oh! There wasn't anything other than that.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:31 PM
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18. Me too. Interesting response by the mods (?)
But thanks for re-posting. The whoopster is not aware of the New Mexico program or he wouldn't say what he did. Thanks for being persistent.
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DustyJoe Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:01 PM
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19. Just Differing Views
You have a view and I have a different one, thats what is great about his site. Views sometimes differ, but the capability is here to voice them. I do see neither poster is from NM. As a 55 year resident I have a different view, especially of Gov Johnsons reign. Yes my age belies a hard line on any illegal drug legalization. there is too much destruction in this state from them. I have 2 acres and would never grow pot even for legal use and sell it for gain for ill patients, the drug companies are doing a good job making profits. If you are going to provide it, do it for free if their plight is that dire, not for $50 an ounce. The capability for this use is ripe for abuse and getting it into hands of those who are not ill.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:26 PM
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20. LMMFAO! You're honestly going to support drug companies??
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Get a grip on real life, dude... Big Pharma is against MMJ because they can't patent it and make billions off of it. Marijuana is a natural herb with many good uses. If you prefer to pollute your body with the toxic chemicals found in their drugs please feel free to do so, but don't you EVER try to tell someone else what they should be doing with *their* bodies...

Care to take a stab at guessing how many people have ODed on marijuana, compared to people who have ODed on man made legal drugs? Let's lower the bar even more for you... how many people suffer serious side effects of MJ compared to Big Pharma drugs?

Different views my ass... it's hard to have a clear view of *anything* with your head up your ass....

BTW... how much destruction do you have in your state because of ALCOHOL??



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DustyJoe Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:35 PM
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21. OK
My bad, forgot the 'sarcasm' with the drug company profits comment. Thought it was rather obvious.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:57 PM
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22. anyways..... Welcome to DU... n/t
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DustyJoe Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 03:06 PM
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23. Thank You nt
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:26 AM
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24. Do you know anything at all about the subject you speak about?
I would suggest you learn something about both the broad subject of medical marijuana and your state's law before venturing an opinion. If you had read the OP and the linked article, you would know that I am a former NM Department of Health official, and I've been working in New Mexico on and off for the past 17 years. I am also older than you so I don't think age has much to do with your opinion. In fact, in a recent AARP survey, 75% of those they surveyed (all over 45) supported access to medical cannabis.

As far as charging for med pot, I have provided it free of charge to sick folks for 17 years. The $50/ounce charge would allow us to establish a grow operation with 8-10 full-time employees and with all the security needed for this operation. At that price, the med pot would be less than one-eighth what it would cost "on the street" and one-sixteenth what an equivalent amount of Marinol (the ineffective synthetic THC produced by drug companies) would cost. Patients in New Mexico are excited by that prospect.

Fortunately, your opinion is not shared by many New Mexicans, much less many Americans. Certainly not many DUers. But then you'd know that if you had been around here long.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:46 AM
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27. Oh, and one more thing (you may not know)
If you review the proposed New Mexico regulations, you will note that, in addition to licensed producers, the state will approve patients growing for themselves or finding a caregiver to grow for them. The state intends to collect no fee for either of these activities. So if it's the money you're against, the proposed regulations would allow medical cannabis to be available in a number of ways, some of which would be pretty low-cost. (Somehow, I don't think that's your issue.)

Having said that, if many patients are faced with learning to grow for themselves (and spending the time, energy and $$$ to do it right) versus obtaining medical-grade cannabis for $50/ounce, what would they choose?

Last point: $50/ounce is just a starting point for conversation's sake. It is also based on a grow operation that is only one acre in size. As with any commodity, economies of scale may allow the price to end up much lower than that (say, $25/ounce). But doing it right does require a labor-intensive dedication to the process. Otherwise, the fewer inputs go into the crop, the more meager (and poor quality) the outputs.

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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:04 AM
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25. hopefully
this will make some headway in the near future in other states along with hemp farming.


Personal note on the use as medicine.

A friend of mine used to smoke fairly regularly and then quit several years ago. She got pregnant and during her pregnancy developed supraventricular tachycardia(SVT). Basically her heart would, out of nowhere start racing at 240bpm for hours at a time. I spent many nights with her in the ER where they monitored her and the baby and had a shot ready that would basically stop her heart for a second to sort of reboot it. It is a typical treatment for SVT but has little to no study on pregnant women so she was very reluctant to do it and they had nurses ready to go for an emergency c-section each time she went. Very stressful and luckily she never needed it.

Anyways, she visited a friend who offered her something. She accepted a very small amount and noticed that for the following week she had no SVT episodes. Then they started up again about every other day just as before. She went back to her friend and requested some help. One puff was enough to stop the episodes for a week.

I know people will not be pleased about the smoking during pregnancy but what is better, one puff a week or having your heart race at 240bpm for hours at a time every other day and being stressed out about a possible emergency c-section each time it happens and continuing stress worrying about having an episode?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:53 AM
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28. You should Google "Patients Out of Time" for info on this.
One of that organization's founders, Mary Lynn Mathre, can put you in touch with a well-published PhD nurse (who has served as a dean in several nursing schools) who did her PhD research on ganja-using pregnant Jamaican women. The findings were all pro-health (for the women and their infants).

Lordy, if we could ever use this medicine the way the Goddess intended, the world (and its people) would be bettr for it.
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pnutbutr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:13 AM
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29. Cool
I had never heard of that group before. Thanks! :)
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:29 AM
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30. Bernie, your comments were among the very best at the hearing
Comments by patients who have benefitted from the use of medical cannabis would have sold anyone on the concept of medical cannabis. Well, anyone with a heart.

I was on Gov Johnson's Task Force on HIV and AIDS and have worked years at the Alamogordo Cancer Treatment Center. Listening to physicians say they wish they could prescribe cannabis instead of antidepressants, opiate pain meds, anti-nausea meds, sleeping meds, muscle relaxants, opened my eyes. Learning that the AMA opposed making cannabis illegal in the 30's did too.

But it was seeing all the patients who DID use cannabis and seeing them wanting to be alive that made me want to fight for their right to do so.

I met Bernie in Santa Fe for this hearing (first DUer I've been able to meet. The only other DUer I know is LoudSue, an old friend who turned me on to DU). I'd attended the Dept of Health's last hearing as well. I recommended the Dept of Health make changes based on Bernie's recommendations.

I wish cannabis were decriminalized. I find the War on Drugs to be a war on people, especially the progressive voice and minorities. In the meantime, I want my state to provide the best medical cannabis program possible, and it is only with input by those warriors like Bernie that we can do that.
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