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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:27 PM
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Woodward: Stability in Iraq Is Due to New Top Secret U.S. Weapon
Weapon May 'Tag' Suspects, So There Is No Escape
Surge Played Only a Minor Role

Guest blogged by Jon Ponder, Pensito Review.

In an interview on NPR's "Fresh Air" about his new book, The War Within: A Secret White House History 2006-2008, Bob Woodward said that his reporting had uncovered a top-secret new weapon introduced by U.S forces into Iraq that is primarily responsible for the current period of stability there.

The Bush/McCain Surge is just one of four factors that have tamped down violence, according to Woodward. The other factors include the Anbar Awakening, in which the Sunnis rejected Al Qaeda's extremism; the stand-down of Muqtada al Sadr's Shiite militia; and this new top secret weapon:
BOB WOODWARD: The fourth is very top secret. And that is a series of operations that have been developed that allow U.S. forces to locate targets and kill extremists, al Qaeda members and members of the insurgency.

On Friday , the White House in responding to the book for the first time confirmed that there were "newly developed techniques and operations which helped the situation stabilize in Iraq."

TERRY GROSS: At the request of the military and the White House, you're not revealing any of the details you found about what these top-secret operations are. What can you tell us?

BW: That it's like any war. There's always something --- there's a game-changer, a new development. In the early 20th century, it was the tank or the airplane. World War II, the Manhattan Project and the development of the Atomic Bomb. These operations and techniques are not something where you're going to see an explosion like an Atomic Bomb but they are incredibly effective. They are something that --- as Pres. Bush said to people that I quote in the book, "We are killing them all. We are killing all of the people who are the leaders." Now, it's not literally "all," but they are killing hundreds and hundreds of key people on the other side in this conflict.

So what could this new weapon be? Sharon Weinberger at Wired.com has a guess:

I believe he is talking about the much ballyhooed (in defense geek circles) "Tagging, Tracking and Locating" program... These are newfangled technologies designed to track people from long distances, without the targeted people realizing they are being tracked. That can theoretically include thermal signatures, or some sort of "taggant" placed on a person. Think Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Well, not so many cameras, maybe.

Why do I think this is the technology Woodward is referring to? Well, first, because it pretty much fits the bill, in terms of the type of capability he appears to be talking about. It has involvement from a number of players, including the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency and Special Operations Command. Also, the Defense Science Board has talked about this capability in similar terms, saying "the global war on terrorism cannot be won without a ‘Manhattan Project’-like TTL ... program."

Here's how an unclassified military document describes the weapon system:

* The Ability to Locate, Track, and Identify Human Beings and Other Important Targets
* Directly Supports DoD’s Ability to Prosecute the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT)
* Forces Require an Ability to Apply and Monitor Tags
* Detect and Identify Targets Based on Their Unique Observable Characteristics Without Undue Exposure of Personnel to Risks and With Devices That are Sufficiently Clandestine to be Effective

And:

* Objective: Conduct a Collaborative Effort to Develop New Capabilities for Clandestine Tagging, Tracking, and Locating in Response to Priorities Established in a Quick-look Capability-based Assessment Conducted in Response to the Findings of the QDR
* Approach: Transition Existing State-of-the-Art Technologies in Nanotechnology, Chemistry, and Biology to Operational Systems Through the USSOCOM Acquisition Process and Conduct RDT&E From Basic Research Through Prototyping to Provide Continuous Improvements in the CTTL Technology Available for Transition to the Operators. Specific Capability Projections Are Classified.

Sounds pretty effective, but there's a downside that ought to make every red-blooded American's blood run cold, and that is the thought of a weapon like this in the hands of crypto-fascists like George Bush and Dick Cheney, and their ideological clones, John McCain and Sarah Palin.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:32 PM
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1. Most intriguing. I was going to guess "the bribing system."
They spread an awful lot of money around the insurgency, buying info, cooperation, and certain measures of loyalty.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:41 PM
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5. Maybe both - they could tag the bribe money. nt
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:34 PM
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2. Guy on NPR said it was caused by Al Queda mistake of destroying Mosque.
This caused the Sunni to really fight. However, the Sunni quickly realized that they didn't have a shot against the Shia so they ran to the Americans. Thus ended the civil war.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:53 AM
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17. Does anyone believe that is was REALLY Al Queda who destroyed that mosque?

The US destroyed multiple mosques in Faluja.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 04:55 AM
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18. yeah, "al Qaeda," right. I do agree with poster above that it was US black ops (nt)
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 04:55 AM by ima_sinnic
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:38 PM
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3. Woodward's An Egotistical Nutcase
with no investigative capabilities. He got lucky with Watergate but has done nothing since and has allowed this administration to use him to distribute their propaganda.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:40 PM
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4. Probably some sort of time-travel machine or mind-reading device...
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:01 PM
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10. Well it has to be remote-viewing, George Norri
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:03 PM by doc03
on the Coast-to-Coast radio program talks about remote viewing a couple nights every week. According to guests on his show the US and Russian military have been experimenting with remote-viewing for years. They also talk about time travel, ever hear of the Philadelphia Experiment the US Navy carried out back in WWII. I wouldn't say I believe in that stuff, it sounds kind of far fetched to me. But I wouldn't have believed what computers can do today 30 years ago either.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:49 PM
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6. Did they forget to use Woodward's "secret weapon" in this instance? Ooopsie. more dead civilians...
Playing with firepower

President Bush is taking a big gamble in launching overt attacks on Pakistani territory Christina Lamb
The Americans picked an inauspicious day to open a new front in the war on terror. It was 4am on the third day of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and the villagers of Angoor Adda, a small Pakistani mountain town near the Afghan border, were lighting their stoves for breakfast before a long day of fasting.

Two US helicopters supported by a AC130 Spectre gunship landed close to the shrine of a local saint. Out jumped about three dozen heavily armed marines and Navy Seals from a crack unit called Detachment One. As they emerged from the churning dust onto the rock-strewn hills, they made for a terrifying sight in their night-vision goggles.

Within minutes the commandos had surrounded the mudwalled compound of Payo Jan Wazir, a 50-year-old woodcutter and cattle-herd. They believed an Al-Qaeda leader was hiding inside.

According to villagers, the troops burst in, guns blazing, killing Payo Jan, six children, two women and a male relation. Among the dead were a three-year-old girl and a two-year-old boy, they said.

The gunfire brought neighbours running out of their homes. As people headed towards Payo Jan’s house to see what had caused the commotion, the commandos opened fire, killing 10 more villagers.

The Americans fanned out, conducting house-to-house searches, before jumping back into the gunships and off into the sky. Stunned villagers were left to carry away the bodies left in the street.



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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:20 AM
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13. Bush Doctrine says invading other countries is OK, "dead civilians" = "collateral damage"
.
.
.

so what's the problem?
:sarcasm:

USA is the only superpower flexing it's might at the moment -

I stress

"at the moment"

Russia is aligning itself with South and Latin America, China with Africa and India.

It's gonna get real ugly,

soon.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:59 AM
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21. "It's gonna get real ugly," Well, duh. Especially with US financial meltdown.
How the hell is the US supposed to be fighting all these wars and pay for it, and have the troops and armed services
to pull all this off???? ... wars in Iraq, Afganastan, rebooting the Cold War w/ Russia, plans for invading and/or
attacking Iran and Venezuela. Give ma a fucking break. This is NUTS!!

Can't we all just get along and soberly pledge to rebuild global peace and prosperity???
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:55 PM
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7. Sounds like some sort of biometric thing
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 10:57 PM by dotcosm
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:00 PM
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8. let's hope to h*ll they don't start using it
against us.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:01 PM
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9. I thought maybe it was a cloak of invisibility
Supposedly, they're working on a technology to make individuals appear invisible, like the alien in the movie Predator. It involves some kind of metamaterials that bend electromagnetic radiation around them, including visible light waves. There was an article about it in the magazine Science.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:09 PM
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11. The "Rods From God" System? Something even more advanced than the Advanced Tactical Laser?
That he won't say anything so far is interesting. I suspect it might have to do with an advanced form of UAV technology, if it really exists at all.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:12 PM
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12. False premise, there is no "stability" in Iraq.
A bit less violence, for the moment, yes, but we kissed stability goodbye some time ago, and it won't be back anything soon.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:22 AM
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14. I agree
And this "secret weapon" sounds unlikely to me.
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SweetieD Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:38 AM
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15. I don't believe this at all. Many leaders in history have said similar things which turned out to be
false.
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mackdaddy Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:49 AM
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16. Crazy as it sounds: Mind Control Transmitters
The brain is an electro-chemical processor. It has been fairly well established that electromagnetic frequency interference can mess with peoples heads. (You really should not have any electrical devices like ac alarm clocks near you head while you sleep.)

Just google mind control or MKULTRA and there are a myriad of articles, but too much is BS to weed out. But the DOD/CIA crazies have been working on various radiation transmitters like the microwave dish mounted on the humvee which is used to disperse crowds by burning their skin. Maybe they have a "love" ray now..

Or maybe they just hooked up high speed internet and they are all just on the 47 naked virgins website all day.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 05:54 PM
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19. _
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 05:55 PM
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20. LOL. Right on. nt
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