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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:57 PM
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Bullet analysis (Texas A&M) casts doubt on lone gunman in JFK assassination
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:00 PM by kpete
Bullet analysis casts doubt on lone gunman in JFK assassination
The study doesn't say there were two or more gunmen, only that the single-gunman theory can't be supported by science.

08:15 PM CDT on Saturday, September 13, 2008

By MICHAEL E. YOUNG / The Dallas Morning News
myoung@dallasnews.com


Dr. Cliff Spiegelman of Texas A&M University is the leader of a team of scientists who investigated bullets from the same manufaturing lot as those used by Lee Harvey Oswald during the assassination of JFK in 1963.

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The professor of statistics at Texas A&M University organized a six-member team that compared the composition of bullet fragments from the JFK shooting with other bullets from the same manufacturer.

The group found that those fragments weren't nearly as rare as the government's expert witness concluded in 1976, when Dr. Vincent P. Guinn determined that all five fragments came from two bullets fired by Lee Harvey Oswald. A third shot missed.

"The claim was made that those five fragments could only have come from two bullets," Dr. Spiegelman said. "Our research showed it could have been two or more.

"And if it is more than two, there is an increased likelihood that someone else provided one of them."

more at:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/091408dnmetjfkbullets.da2836.html
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:00 PM
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1. Well no kidding
Anyone who bought into the single bullet theaery - a bullet that was found on a stretcher that no on could even connect to the crime - musta been smokin' whatever Senator Spector was smokin' when he made it up...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:04 AM
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5. But It Was a MAGIC Bullet
Got a little tiny inertial guidance system and rocket motor inside that bullet.
Oswald wasn't taking any changes.

(Do I really need a :sarcasm:?)

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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:00 PM
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2. Oops
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:01 PM by mth44sc
didn't mean to post this twice... Musta been a comspiricy :-)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:00 PM
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3. And thus it will always be.
Those of us who don't buy the "lone assassin" for one split second, and those who will believe anything they are officially told.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:01 AM
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4. I've never believed it.
I still don't. The Warren Commission, like the 9/11 Commission, were whitewashes.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:31 AM
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6. Where are the DU-credentialed Ridicule Trolls? A little late to attack us.
I guess there's too much evidence these days of other red-hot State-sponsored acts of conspiracy for them to psy-op.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:33 AM
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7. Be Careful on this report, this report does NOT disprove the Single Bullet theory.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 02:36 AM by happyslug
All it says is that it is possible that more then one bullet could explain the fragments, the test do NOT show the fragments were from more then one bullet. All this study says all of the fragments may have come from the two bullets in question OR three or more bullets.

All this study says the fragments could have occurred in either situation. Basically it can NOT be shown there was only one rifle (Oswald's) or two rifles. Thus the issue is one of who has the burden of proof. If Oswald had lived, there existed enough evidence to convict him of the crime. There is in reality no evidence that anyone else was involved, a lot of speculation and a good bit of CYAing that is used by supporter of a Conspiracy to justify their own belief that a conspiracy existed but no real hard evidence (i.e. any evidence that combined with other evidence or even by itself that could in a court of law, point to some one else with or without Oswald).

As to the Cover your Ass (CYA) problem. The FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Dallas Police, the Mob and even the KGB had reasons to CYA themselves in this situation. The Secret Service and the Dallas Police should have BOTH checked out all of the high rise buildings on the route the day before the Assassination, neither did it (the Secret Service Agents went to a go-go bar instead), The FBI was suppose to watch anyone on their Watch lost for potential assassins, Oswald was on the list but the Local FBI Agent never bothered to check him out, even through a quick check would have reveled where Oswald was working AND it was a high raise (The reason for this seems to be the Agent was overworked and did his normal work load NOT check the list). The CIA keeps an eye on the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, but failed to detect Oswald going into that Embassy before his defection and failed to follow up on him after he returned (Do to the fact the Marines, CIA, FBI and even the KGB viewed Oswald as a nut, with some grandiose ideas but for the most part harmless). The KGB had a problem, Oswald had married the daughter of a KGB officer (Through one involved with what we would call Police Work not even FBI type work and clearly not with any CIA type espionage work), thus even the KGB wanted to cover up aspects of the case for CYA purposes more then anything else.

I hate to say this, and many will reject what I will say, but at present, the best explanation for the assassination of JFK is Oswald working alone (and that he was a mediocre shot, which is confirmed by KGB reports, for while in Russia the KGB left him get a rifle and shoot and the result tended to show Oswald was a mediocre shot, but where the bullets hit was within the capability of Oswald as a shooter AND the rifle he was using).

The Weapon Oswald used was only capable of three shots in the time the JFK and his Limo was in sight of Oswald, and four bullet holes were made. People reject that three bullets can cause four bullet holes (and if I remember right one bullet did NOT hit anyone so we are talking about three wounds from two bullets) but if you understand the nature of the Bullet used it is possible, Oswald's rifle used Aluminum tipped FMC bullets. Such bullets are noted to bounce all over the place once it hit something or someone (The Early M-16 of the same time period had a similar bullet, the British 303 bullet of WWI and WWII also had an Aluminum tip bullet, and both, like the Italian bullets used by Oswald, are noted to stay together but bounce around on hitting flesh and leaving little bits of the bullets here and there). Thus the single Bullet theory is not only possible, but the most likely way it happened.

As to most of the "Evidence" of a conspiracy most of such evidence is evidence of people, whose job was on the line if the death of JFK could be traced to their failure to do their job. CYAing themselves and their agency. As soon as JFK was shot full damage control kicked in on both the individual level and the organizational level. For example the FBI Agent in Dallas would want to show he did all he could with the resources he had, and the FBI, including Hoover, would want to show all resources were available to that agent, even if it was NOT, thus both the Agent and the FBI would want to CYA themselves, sometime at each other expense, and the expense of others. Another Example is the Dallas Police wanting to show Oswald off the the News reporters, but in a way the news reporters could ask no question of Oswald. This lead to the open area which Rudy used to kill Oswald. The Dallas Police were CYAing themselves by saying we caught Oswald, thus hoping no one will ask why no one search the building he had his sniper nest in. Such CYA actions are the basis for most if not all of the "cover-ups" when it comes to the assassination of JFK NOT some giant conspiracy to knock JFK off.

Now I can not rule out a conspiracy, the assassination of JFK may have been the result of one, but the burden is on the people who advocate such a plot NOT on me to show the Warren Commission was probably right (Through may have had some of the details wrong do to the various CYA cover-ups). Test like this one proves nothing, so it is possible that we are dealing with four bullets instead of three, but it is also possible that we are only dealing with three bullets. In either case, Oswald would have been tried and executed for killing Kennedy, for one to many bullets is NOT probable doubt as to Oswald's involvement in the crime. We also have no evidence that there was someone else involved, and until that is shown the Warren report is the best explanation we have for the Assassination of JFK.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 02:52 AM
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8. Hey K... Have You Ever Read Jim Marrs Book, "Crossfire" ???


:shrug:
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