UNBELIEVABLE! MY NEWSPAPER IS NOW THE VESSEL TO PROMOTE A RELIGIOUS WAR!

[MrMickeysMom]

Okay- Who ELSE just picked through the Sunday advertisements and viewed this DVD today? I just made myself view it. It's an hour-long, well edited and includes all kinds right wing think tankers, ex-PLO terrorists and Harvard Professors. Why? They're here to warn us about the declaration of war on Western Culture and to bring down Christianity and Judaism- just in time for the election.

So, this is the heat, folks. This blitz DVD is one more step- the biggest, boldest step I can see to orchestrate fear, hatred and to change your vote. This propaganda is about Islamics propaganda and how we have to STOP IT- "unless the media alerts us better than they have". This is stunning and I'm not imagining anything, nor do I have my tin foil hat on. Watch this, please. It neatly ties together a long ago formed alliance between Haj Aminal-Husseini (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) and Adolf Hitler on Nov 28, 1941 to extermination. It's quite a piece of work, and we all just got it in the below named newspapers. Unless your IQ has severely dropped beyond recovery, it think you'll see a woven again and again message in this production. It told me that the White House will be changed and become the Muslim House... that America has to wake up and that America is strangling itself with "our political correctness".

THIS IS FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!

Name of DVD: "Obsession" Radical Islam's War Against the West"

Paid advertising supplement to:

* Akron Beacon * Altoona Mirror * Ann Arbor News * Blade *Bucks Co Courier Times * Centennial Citizen * * Chronical of Higher Education * Cincinnati Enquirer * Claremont Review
* Clovis News Journal * Columbus Dispatch * Daily Camera * Daily Commercial * Daily Nonpareil
* Dayton Daily News * Denver Post * Des Monines Register * Detroit Free Press * Erie Times-News
* Examiner * Flint Journal * Florida Time-Union * Fort Collins Coloradoan * Ft. Lauderdale El Sentinel
* Ft. Meyers * News Press * Gazette * Grand Rapids Press * Greeley Tribune * Green Bay Press-Gazette
* Hobbs News-Sun * Iowa City Press Citizen * Janesville Gazette * Journal News * Journal Times
* LaCrosse Tribune * Lansing State Journal * Las Vegas Review-Journal Sun * Miami-El Nuevo Herald
* Miami Herald * Middletown Journal * Milwaukee Journal Sentinel * Morning Call * Morning Journal
* Nevada Appeal * New Appeal * New Hampshire Union Leader * News-Leader * New York Times
* Ocala Star Banner *Orlando Sun Sentinel * Palm Beach Post * Patriot-News * Philadelphia Inquirer
* Pittsburgh Post-Gazette * Portsmouth Herald * Quad-City Times * Reading Eagle * Reno Gazette-Journal
* Repository * Rio Rancho Observer * Sioux City Journal * South Bend Tribune * South Florida Sun-Sentinel
* St. Petersburg Times * Sun-Gazette * Tallahassee Democrat * Tampa Tribune * Toledo Blade * Tribune
* Tribune-Review * Vindicator * Virginian-Pilot * Wall Street Journal * World Jewish Digest

[RetroLounge]

1. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Fuckers...

RL

[Glimmer of Hope]

4. Who paid for this?

[MrMickeysMom]

6. I GUESS the answer to that lies is here...

The Clarion Fund 255 W. 36th St., Ste 800, NY, NY
Tele # 646-502-8380

At the end of the video, this web address-

http://www.obsessionthemoview.com

[LiberalHeart]

21. Oh, they'e non-profit. Uh-huh.

http://clarionfund.org/

Wish they'd release their donor list.

[csziggy]

87. "Clarion Fund Puts Lipstick on Terrorism Pig Documentary"

"Who is the "Clarion Fund" and why is it paying for placing 28 million copies of "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" DVD's in swing state newspapers?

"The Clarion Fund, who's website only identifies the group as "a 501(c)(3) organization. We are independent and do not accept funding from the U.S. Government, political institutions, or foreign organizations." It does not identify who it's board of directors are, but says it's "mission is to educate Americans about issues of national security." Their focus "is on the most urgent threat of radical Islam. By utilizing the following three mediums, Clarion Fund is helping Americans understand that the mainstream media is not adequately conveying the reality of radical Islam."

"Through some web digging, I was able to identify three players, Raphael Shore who is a Canadian citizen who is the producer/co-writer of the film and founder of the Clarion Fund, Wayne Kopping, a South African national, the director and co-writer and Gregory Ross, who is the communications director of this New York based non-profit group."

<snip>

"Something about this group doesn't pass the smell test, particularly when no information is available about its donors and board of directors.

"Maybe most concerning about this film is that, according to Ross "I know that the U.S. Department of the Navy uses the film and that it has also been shown on Capitol Hill on many occasions in order to education politicians. We have also screened it at countless universities and colleges. However we are unsure as to if it is being used in their curriculums – we certainly hope it is." A film that

"By law, 501(c)(3) organizations are not permitted to engage in political activity, endorse or oppose political candidates, or donate money or time to political campaigns, so it was surprising to learn that there was an article on the group's new Web site, www.radicalislam.org, that backed Republican presidential candidate John McCain."

<snip>
"According to Clarion Fund director of communications Gregory Ross, the article "crossed the line" and was removed.

"Gregory Ross also said in an interview with Frontpage magazine, a right-wing online publication, "we are just a few weeks from completely our next documentary, “The Third Jihad” - though it is not a sequel. This new film will take a look at radical Islam’s activities here in the U.S. We should be releasing the film in early October. So stay tuned."

"Stay tuned indeed, as this group tries to scare voters with their own form of psychological terrorism."
Posted by Gark at Saturday, September 13, 2008
Labels: Clarion Fund, Dirty Politics
Popular Progressive


Other commentary:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/09/14/anti-muslim-film-produced-by-pro-israel-advocate-boosts-mccain/
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1217021.html

"The DVDs of the 60-minute film, made in 2005, and titled 'Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West,' arrived today with, among other papers, the Charlotte Observer and the News & Observer in Raleigh, with delivery with the Miami Herald and other papers set for Sunday." (To watch a clip see link below.)

"It was shown on Fox News just before the 2006 mid-term elections, and conservative activist David Horowitz screened the film on college campuses during 2007. An article at the group's site, www.radicalislam.org, all but endorsed John McCain this past week, then was pulled down."

You can address your comments to the group paying for the 'Campaign of Terror in America' here: The Clarion Fund, 255 West 36th Street Suite 800 New York, NY 10018
http://morganmghee.blogspot.com/
http://popprog.blogspot.com/2008/09/clarion-fund-puts-lipstick-on-terrorism.html

[MrMickeysMom]

94. THANK YOU FOR THAT

That's extremely informative, csziggy.

You can be sure I'll address my comments to them right after calling the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, who, as it turns out, had an earlier conversation with me and was interested in what I might think of something forthcoming (this was it).

[csziggy]

98. I haven't gotten the local newspaper for years but they are on the list

Tallahassee Democrat is a horrible paper and they would have no hesitation sending out this sort of thing. So it is barely worth sending them a letter. But I will consider doing so about this outrage.

[dixiegrrrrl]

35. I did not get one...Wahhhhhhhhh!!!

I feel left out. x(

I also feel "they" figure my state is too red to waste the advertising money.

[Starry Messenger]

39. Mine is too blue. :)

If you must watch it, it's on youtube. I haven't dipped my toe in it yet.

MPK

[eowyn_of_rohan]

95. Gwad - FOUR of these are Wisconsin newspapers!

[MrMickeysMom]

100. Swing state?

Eh?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

106. they'd like everyone to believe that

Our exit polls vs vote "totals" were skewed in 2004, so we weren't as close as they said then and I don't believe we are now.

[fascisthunter]

2. I Really Think This Country will See another Civil War

a war between right wing extremists and the rest of America

[lostnotforgotten]

5. Have Been Predicting Same For A Decade

It will only take the right spark and we are there.

[blm]

7. It's been Fascists vs Open Government Democrats for over twenty years now, but, too many

but, even DUers still refuse to acknowledge this reality.

[kestrel91316]

14. Certainly seems to be what they want. The hate speech against

liberals on talk radio reminds me of what they had in Rwanda leading up to the genocide.

[MadrasT]

77. Me too. The groundwork has been established.

It's only a matter of time before all hell breaks loose.

[glinda]

24. Of Course

That will happen if this stuff continues but they have sites to bring people to... to take care of "so-called extremists" in 75% of the US now.

[Subdivisions]

26. Then so be it because I'm not living in a fucking theocracy. I'll die first! n/t

[ITsec]

48. Not to sound religious here but...

Amen.

[RagAss]

57. I'm in.

[DemoRabbit]

3. The Dems need to do the same thing - professional DVD "ad"

On ALL the issues! Economy being the forefront!

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

8. Spreading a metavirus

and very interesting in that it is secreted within the garish color stew that is the Sunday advertising supplement, America's premier resource for listing all of the new garbage to buy in the upcoming week. It is, effectively, a marketing tool like all the other coupons and glossy photos.

A herding tool, like the ads that wrapped it.

[MrMickeysMom]

96. Like it

a herding tool.

A bible came last week, this week this... next week what?

KICK, please

[StopTheNeoCons]

9. Bush collapses economy, McCain agrees with him

[UnrepentantUnitarian]

10. If you haven't seen that Moyers segment yet...

about the "shock talkers" and their role in spreading an ideology of divisiveness and hatred, please consider looking at the video at the Moyers Journal website. Pretty powerful stuff;


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/watch.html

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Will do...

Gotta go out now, but I'll check back to see this later...

PLEASE KICK!

[MrMickeysMom]

11. Thanks for the dialogue, but now we need to act!

Contact the newspapers which has acted as the vessel-

With me- I'm following up a LONG conversation with the advertising dept.

They initially rejected this idea. I was told when complaining the last time about the new testament that arrived via the advertising section, that they wanted my feedback about the next "insert" (at the time, they didn't say what it was).

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, LOCAL CALL IN SHOWS (thanks to WPTT, I no longer HAVE that option, as they nixed Lynn Cullen and Thom Hartmann).

LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN... PLEASE!!!!

[flamingdem]

13. PLEASE POST PHONE NUMBERS AND EMAILS so we can complain and get media time

to counter this fear based McCain favor.

[flamingdem]

15. Here is an easy interactive link that will get you an email for your state and local paper

Click and easily and instantly send emails to newspapers:

http://www.democrats.org/page/speakout/letterstoeditors?js=false&zip=01420

(thanks to Forkboy)

[LiberalHeart]

18. I suggest emailing the ombudsman at the papers because they will do a column.

Letters to the editor don't have as much of a chance of getting in the paper, but an overwhelmed ombudsman will write about it.

[nc4bo]

22. Here's another:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

[LiberalHeart]

16. Here's one for the ombudsman at The (Toledo) Blade

[e-mail]

[MrMickeysMom]

38. See also response #6

The only phone number and address and web address I have is there

[nc4bo]

17. North Carolina - News&Observer (Raleigh) in today's paper - home delivery only.

My mom gets mail delivery so she be getting that one but her copy of The Fayetteville Observer included a copy of the DVD.

She wanted to throw it in the trash, I told her no, don't do it - let's mail it back to the newspaper.

Fayetteville Observer:

Mailing address:
P.O. Box 849
Fayetteville, NC 28302

Main Switchboard: [phone] or [phone]
Management

Area code for all numbers: (910)

* Publisher, Charles Broadwell, 486-3501, [e-mail]
* Chief marketing officer, Jeff Green, 609-0642, [e-mail]
* Chief operating officer, Bob Murphy, 609-0676, [e-mail]
* Advertising director, Fred Benson, 486-2726, [e-mail]
* Executive editor, Brian Tolley, 486-3503, [e-mail]
* Editorial page editor, Tim White, 486-3504, [e-mail]
* Circulation director, Jim Adkins, 486-3506, [e-mail]
* Production director, Ron Cartledge, 609-0656, [e-mail]
* Human resources director, Linda Baez, 609-0635, [e-mail]
* Director of business development, Curt Drummond, 609-0692, [e-mail]
* Chief financial officer, Bob Wagler, 486-3508, [e-mail]
* Customer Service Manager, Ed Jordan, [e-mail]
* Online general manager, Jon Bius, 486-3575, [e-mail]

News & Observer:

The News & Observer
215 South McDowell Street
P.O. Box 191
Raleigh, NC 27602
Main: [phone]
Customer Service: [phone]

[mmonk]

103. I'm mailing mine back with some material on the neoconservatives

and a request that it be shoved up their ass.

[NCDem60]

19. Add Raleigh News/Observer to list.

[peacetalksforall]

20. From your description, it sounds like a hate tool.. If yes, I think people should organize a

a protest against these newspapers.

How much would the film cost? Perhaps the newspapers paid for the entire production?

Practical question = how would I view it?

Was the DVD inserted in the newspaper? Or by a link?

[MrMickeysMom]

50. In the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, it was carried in the advertisement section

Nicely packaged... Major News Media Program Quality. The price of stealing the election is nothing to these non-profits, if they are indeed non-profits.

I'll have to do some homework from my notes.

[nc4bo]

23. For those who haven't seen it

Here's the front:




Back:

[OneGrassRoot]

25. What some just won't ever "see" is that the words here....

can so easily be replaced by "christian radicals" or any other zealous religious sect.

It could truthfully read:

"...reveals an 'insider's view' of the hatred the (Christian) radicals are teaching, their incitement of a global (crusade), and their goal of world domination."

[MrMickeysMom]

51. This became apparent at every turn of this production

You could have had as factual a documentary by examining what has been done in the name of nation building from the "West".

The message is so destructive, I'm still reeling over this.

[dixiegrrrrl]

37. love the snake subliminal in top pic

Wikipedia says:
The Liberty Film Festival founded in 2004 California, The festival has been promoted on many right leaning political blogs.

edited to add:

I found more on the people/guy doing this;

Will it surprise anyone that ....
" Clarion Fund, founded by Israeli-Canadian Raphael Shore, is distributing 28-million copies of the anti-Muslim propaganda film, Obsession, to voters in election swing states. This is a film that is such noxious propaganda that no major film distributor would touch it with a 10 foot pole. Until now, it’s been relegated to the university film circuit where right-wing and pro-Israel campus groups have organized screenings. Among its other subtleties, the film attempts to equate Islam with Nazism, as Mitchell writes:

The documentary showcases scenes of Muslim children being encouraged to become suicide bombers, interspersed with shots of Nazi rallies."
<snip>
The film was financed by a concerned citizen who has a long standing relationship with...( Clarion Fund).

Much more interesting and disturbing info from the above site:

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/09/14/anti-muslim-film-produced-by-pro-israel-advocate-boosts-mccain/

[MrMickeysMom]

54. Thanks for the info, dixiegrrrrl

I'm going to follow up with my newspaper. All this validates my already formed opinion.

Were the shoes on the other advertising foot, I'm sure our newspaper would have turned this ad down. They already had a hard time accepting Clarion Fund's moola.

I'm going to find out how much this cost. The shame of this is the timing with the recent changed format in the ONLY AM station that had progressive talk. Now, there is no voice (literally) to use in the greater Pittsburgh area.

PA is a big swing state, and this group means to hop on board the Republican train wreck to help steal this election any way they can.

[LWolf]

27. There was a DVD in your newspaper?

:wtf:

[MrMickeysMom]

55. Home delivery... you betcha

[LWolf]

62. Wow.

I've had home delivery most of my life, although I let it lapse last year.

They wouldn't let me get it just one or two days a week, they never got it here before I left for work (so I'd already read the news online by the time I got home,)and the delivery box was along way from my house.

I got some fabric softener samples a few times, but never a DVD. :wow:

Is it produced by the paper, or is it like any other advertising flier or sample that someone would pay the paper to include?

[MrMickeysMom]

66. It's paid advertising...

If your paper is among those listed in the OP, you might want to call their advertising dept and ask how much a religious war costs these days? Ask them to multiply that by 28 million other copies in the US that were pimped through other papers. See whether or not that decision weighed in or bothered their board of directors.

Then, ask them if they can now be counted among the ranks of fascist journalism tools. Ask them if they plan on prostituting the paper any more. How lucrative must the deal be with Clarion?

Then, tell them you'll never buy another paper from them.

[LWolf]

67. None of the papers I've ever subcribed to are there.

Thankfully.

I hope they get a shit-storm in response.

[TXDemGal]

28. I hope subscribers of all papers who loaded this bullshit

in with the papers will call TODAY and cancel your subscriptions. And tell them exactly why you're doing it. Yeah, I know, going down to the market to buy the paper isn't as convenient as picking it up in your driveway (or bushes, or under the lawn sprinkler, or wherever) but we have to let the publishers of these papers know that we won't stand for outright PROPAGANDA being distributed with our weekly dose of advertising slicks!

Unfortunately (?) for me, I live in a state that is pretty much guaranteed to go to McCain, so I won't get to call and vent my spleen on my local rag's customer service department.

[Mabus]

29. They've got another one due out in OCTOBER : The Third Jihad

This interview is dated 9/2/2008

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Gregory Ross, the Director of Communications for Clarion Fund. Their mission is to educate America about the threat of radical Islam. They do this through their films, websites and on-campus college programs.

****

Ross: Well, it’s funny you should ask, as we are just a few weeks from completely our next documentary, “The Third Jihad” - though it is not a sequel. This new film will take a look at radical Islam’s activities here in the U.S. We should be releasing the film in early October. So stay tuned.

http://www.actforamerica.com/index.php/learn/recent-news/10-newsmaster/241-jihad-on-screen

They aren't done yet.

[jasmeel]

30. This is fucking disturbing- who is paying for this??? What organization?

[Starry Messenger]

32. They're called "The Clarion Fund"

Here's a blog posting I just found about it...I skimmed, going back now to read it.

http://popprog.blogspot.com/2008/09/clarion-fund-puts-lipstick-on-terrorism.html

MPK

[Starry Messenger]

31. kick. I was hoping there would be a post over here about this.

Wisteria posted about it in GD-P and I have been posting links in her thread, but it's moving down too quickly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7065798

Most interesting to me was this:

http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1221096322203370.xml&coll=1

Yesterday there was an article explicitly supporting McCain on www.radicalislam.org. They've since scrubbed it.

MPK

[HCE SuiGeneris]

33. Propaganda is the largest medium of the 4th estate and our government.

I think this needs to change... (maybe a little understated?)

[OneGrassRoot]

41. It's maddening...."V for Vendetta"

That movie is playing on TV tonight. Don't the people somehow take control of the Ministry of Propaganda and awaken the masses from their government/media-induced stupor?

Geesh, it's a neverending battle to the point of exhaustion without a free press.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

44. Just watched it again about 4 nights ago...

And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the frustration factor expressed in your last statement. My damn nerves and emotions have become quite frayed, as of late.

[MrMickeysMom]

56. The crazy thing about the 4th estate is... THEY'RE SUPPORTING FACSIST PROPAGANDA!

These motherfuckers can't even weigh in. Why should they, when some non-profit group and use the written media to act as their distribution center. High gloss, high production, high tech "reporting" obtained by the advertising dept.

Journalists are now becoming "as free as the facists want them to be" in reporting "the news".

THIS IS MAJORLY FUCKED UP!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

58. Supporting it unquestionably... like this

douchebag: "David Gregory, said recently on "Hardball," "There's a lot of critics ... who think that, if we did not debate the president ... if we did not stand up and say, this is bogus, and you're a liar, and why are you doing this, that we didn't do our job. And I respectfully disagree. It's not our role." :puke:

[MrMickeysMom]

71. I wonder what the role of this dancing boy is, then...

Maybe it's just to dance and sing at functions with the likes of Karl Rove, then cash the check.

This makes me want to puke, too.

[progressivebydesign]

34. Everyone needs to complain LOUDLY to your paper! Cancel!!

Ask them if the KKK had produced a video, if they'd distribute for $$$ with the paper.

The MSM, if there are any left that have ethics, should SLAM this very OPENLY so that people know who did this, and where the $$ came from.

Tell your local paper that you will not tolerate hate. Oh. and cancel your subscription!!!

[Contrary1]

36. Looks like the Clarion Fund id not above breaking the law...imagine that.

"...By law, 501(c)(3) organizations are not permitted to engage in political activity, endorse or oppose political candidates, or donate money or time to political campaigns, so it was surprising to learn that there was an article on the group's new Web site, www.radicalislam.org that backed Republican presidential candidate John McCain. The article discussed both candidates and concludes:

"McCain's policies seek to confront radical Islamic extremism and terrorism and roll it back while Obama's, although intending to do the same, could in fact make the situation facing the West even worse."

Gregory Ross also said in an interview with Frontpage magazine, a right-wing online publication, "we are just a few weeks from completely our next documentary, “The Third Jihad” - though it is not a sequel. This new film will take a look at radical Islam’s activities here in the U.S. We should be releasing the film in early October. So stay tuned."

Stay tuned indeed, as this group tries to scare voters with their own form of psychological terrorism."

http://popprog.blogspot.com/2008/09/clarion-fund-puts-lipstick-on-terrorism.html

[MrMickeysMom]

88. Well, based on the carefully edited, high quality production, I'm sure the lawyers-

went over verbiage.

For example, they were very careful to edit the content their interviewees so that their impressions were made without outright suggesting we not have Obama in the White House. However, I caught Nonie Darwish, one of the interviewees warning that after years of the Islamic Extremist agenda, the "white house will be changed... become Muslim House". When connecting the carefully edited implications, what you get is a political message and even worse- "America has to wake up.We are strangling ourselves with our political correctness" on not coming out against these extremists.

Funny, that's how I often think about the religious fundamentalists who are in bed with John McCain and that dangerous embarrassment he's now stuck with as a running mate.

[donco6]

40. They were passing this out on corners in Denver at the DNC.

Right next to a group of Right to Lifers with big fetus signs.

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Jesus, the gloves are off, aren't they

Please KICK

THIS is SO not on anyones' mind at a local Democratic fund raising dinner tonight. I mean, how do you bridge THIS topic. Somehow, I am getting people to come over to read DU.

We need and and other threads like it to stay up the list.

[justiceischeap]

42. As a 501(c)(3) they have to provide their financial reports to anyone who asks

I think within the complete financial statements they have to provide board members. I used to work for a 501(c)(3) and they had to do this.

[Starry Messenger]

43. They lawyered up:

This is their contact on the address for the non-profit listing:

Eli Greenberg
http://www.whafh.com/modules/attorney/?action=view&id=34

one of his specialties is 501(c)(3) law.

MPK

[justiceischeap]

46. Yes but by law, they still have to provide that info

Maybe not in a timely manner but they could have their status revoked if they don't.

[Starry Messenger]

47. Is there a way we could speed that along?

I was tempted to donate to them to see if I could demand accountability that way. They are definitely hiding.

MPK

[justiceischeap]

49. You don't have to donate. By law they are required to provide that info

to anyone who asks. If they don't provide it, you can file a complaint. I don't know how quick they would be about it and I don't know what would speed it along. I just know from working for that type of non-profit, they have to provide it by law.

Sorry!

[JerseygirlCT]

69. yes, they do.

Often they'll try to give out the thinnest possible bits of information, though.

Probably too young an "organization" to have anything up on Foundation Center or Guidestar, though...

[Starry Messenger]

81. I signed up for and checked them out on guidestar today.

Only the address and the lawyer's name. And they don't seem to have filed 990's yet.

Any lawyers in the house here?

MPK

[krabigirl]

45. Wow - the New York Times as well?!?

[MrMickeysMom]

59. wait a minute.......

YES!!!!!

[Contrary1]

52. Did it come with an envelope for a donation?

Just send the pos back to them. If not, hang on to it until you get one of those pre-paid McShame/Failin envelopes. See how many you can collect around your neighborhood.

[MrMickeysMom]

60. Me thinks we are sadly running out of time...

Please keep this kicked, it's sinking too fast.

[Fearless]

53. I've seen it. The DVD's pure wingnut bullshit.

[MrMickeysMom]

61. Please, Please, Please KICK

P L E A S E !

[G_j]

64. hey! maybe next Sunday we'll get Mein Kampf on DVD! nt

[MrMickeysMom]

68. That's funny...

That's exactly what they say the Jihadists have done. The goal is for all of us to be as stupid as we can be by LETTING THEM DO IT.

KICK, PLEASE!

[G_j]

75. exactly

who are the extremists?

[CitizenPatriot]

65. this is an outrage

but I also can't stop laughing.

Only the GOP would mail out a dvd inserted into a newspaper. The majority of people who read, know better. And it's just so damn old-school that I can't stop laughing.

It's like they mailed out a super 8 tape.

Get with the fucking program! it's called the .... inter....nets.

I am sorry; I know this is an outrage and it's a violation and I'm upset about it. It's just so typical of that party. The people I work with call this so "'90's" advertising. Sure smells like mavrick and change to me.

I can't stop laughing. This cost a pretty penny. LOSERS.

We can accomplish same thing, with no money.

It's called email.

Picture McCain passed out on ambien in the WH with a gnawing melanoma on his forehead. Palin next to him, hand grasping for the red button, rapture music playing in her head. TEXT: It's 3 AM. Putin called. He's pissed.

END DAYS

It's terrorism. They taught us everything we need to know about using fear to get elected. And we don't even have to antagonize an enemy or create a false war. They gave it all to us on a silver fucking platter.

thank you, GOPPERS.

(do I really have to post the sarcasm thing? really?)

[MrMickeysMom]

70. In their inevitable stupid way, this is also a smart move... think distribution...

You don't have the internet grandpa? Oh, then you've got to see this. Here... I'll play it in that box you bought to watch movies. Yes, it's another movie.

I mean, any method is their method, the stupidity of those in the SS didn't stop it from achieving their objective.

[CitizenPatriot]

73. I know

that's why it's not too funny

But I picture the older people I know and they've all made up their minds already. This piece of garbage really....? The people who are buying into this shit are not voting dem anyway.

Also, this looks very callous and out of touch, given the stock market crash.

why doesn't anyone make an ad out of all of the positions they have stolen from obama? Obama's been saying for 18 months, it's the economy.

whooopsie daisy, looks like he was right on that one. McCain told us just weeks ago the economy was fine.
Obama said a time line on Iraq pullout. McCain said he was appeasing. Now there's a timeline.

Obama's been saying negotiate- they did. McCain said that was "WEAK". wonder who's right this time?

[MrMickeysMom]

78. You're right, too

It's got to be multi-focused. It's not enough to stand up to the way the religious fundamentalists are going at this media blitz.

The Obama campaign is grass roots based, versus the corporate based McCain campaign. If we speak truth to power, our truth to their power must reach as significantly.

How? Productions on the internet? Stop paying taxes?

[CitizenPatriot]

99. well, I've certainly been thinking about that one

no taxation without representation after all.

I agree - and it is harder to see our movement because it is grass roots and neighbor to neighbor. I am doing volunteer work for Obama and it's funny, the people I talk to usually haven't been paying a whit of attention to the Issues. they're already going one way or another. Of course, I talk to them about the Issues, but I realized how most people aren't aware of them. Many of them have decided who they thought was more honest and that was it. (those would be the Obama voters). The McCain voters here are either racist or morons who think they're conservatives. they clearly haven't been paying attention to what their party has become.

Much of this seems to be imploding on them anyway -- even in the south, people are saying to me that they can't vote for nutjob palin (and I don't hesitate to fill them in on her church, her lies, etc just to seal the deal).

Your phrase our truth to their power is an excellent one and for some reason, I feel like truth just might be the winner this year.

We certainly have it on our side, and even objective sources are saying as much. I'm going to ride with that one.

I once swung a voter a few weeks ago because I signed them up to vote even though they were Republican. I told them of course I would sign them up, Obama stands for the American people all having a voice and he would want them to vote their conscience. We bantered a bit and then he said he liked how we could disagree respectfully. After a few moments, he told me he was going to vote for the man who earned his respect. Obama. Isn't that an odd moment? but one based deeply in the power of truth.

[MrMickeysMom]

105. Excellent story about the voter, CP

That seems to lead me to the answer to one of my questions, anyway.

I've won a primary for local council seat in an otherwise "tough" race (what the heck did I know? I just walked and talked to every house I could, and that's the way I won the primary. It was no different at the door, and much of that conversation (then) surrounded itself around "the truth" to what "they heard". In the final analysis, people for the most part responded. Boy, do you see another side when you're among the "leaders". There are very few, but many who would follow. There is a connection.

Hey, I think we may have the answer to this little thing, eh...? :think:

All we have to do continue growing the dialog, whilst making sure voter's can vote and not be caged leading to Nov. 4th.

Good talking tonight, CP! Take care... MMM :hi:

[CitizenPatriot]

108. you, too thanks!

:toast:

I liked your story about running as well. You're right about the one on one talks. It means more to people than any ad.

We are registering thousands here who have never voted before. They are so thrilled to have a voice this year. They tell me not to worry, and many of them have told me I was doing God's work. How touching that has been, since I go into places here in the deep south where I would not be welcomed and have been told not to go.

It's odd, because before I enter some of the places, I just take a minute to get right inside and know that they will see my intentions are good. So far, I've met just the right person who introduces me to everyone and says "help this girl out and register to vote."

I know this sounds crazy, but I decided that even if something happened to me (a racist presents the largest threat, frankly) I would be OK with it. this is worth it to me and I'm not going to hide.

One of my guy friends found out where I went the other day by myself and he said "you have big balls".

ha ha.....Men are funny:-) Sometimes they don't realize we've been doing this all of our lives. Would I give up my safety for what is right? Damn straight. I guess that makes me a community organizer:-) I'm also not going to allow these crazies to get control over my body and life if I can stop it.

Thank you for the inspiring talk:-)

You take care and keep the power of the truth going strong.

Good night!

[defendandprotect]

72. Since the coup on our government in '63 ... media over time was

turned toward messages of violence -- and fear of fellow man --

every effort to frighten citizens -- separate them.

Phony Drug War a huge part of creating fear --

Every year the agenda increased ... moved forward ...

until finally it announced the end of the VN War Syndrome and they began

warmongering + search for perpetual war again -- AND found it!!

You're looking at the final acts of this charade --

NOT because we will end it, but because by their war on nature they made their

suicidal agenda reality -- Global Warming.


. . . IF they don't first begin a nuclear holocaust over the planet --

[MrMickeysMom]

80. Yikes, man...

(or woman)....

There would be little I could do to stop that roller-coaster! And, I'm too focused on the fight that everyone else in one form or the other have awakened to stop trying now.

[defendandprotect]

86. We have to keep trying ...

but recognizing what triggered this from highest perspectives --

Patriarchy - patriarchal violence - organized patriarchal religion --

"Manifest Destiny" -- all suicidal concepts


Capitalism -- a ridiculous King-of-the-Hill System --

Unregulated capitalism ... merely organized crime ---

[MrMickeysMom]

90. I like that...

Right out of Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States, or Thom Hartmann...

Unregulated capitalism ... merely organized crime

[defendandprotect]

110. ahem .. rather, it's original with me ..

but, of course, others may have made same conclusions --

:)

[Wiley50]

104. Yech! Nuclear Winter as the cure for Global Warming

It's nutty enough that I wouldn't put it past them to really believe it.

Folks, getting a firearm and learning to use it and maybe even doing so

is a reality for us now.


Produced by a dual passport Israeli-Canadian and a dual passport South African-Canadian

HMMMMMMN...................

[Sabriel]

74. The Chronicle of Higher Ed?

There's a waste of money. Idiots.

Speaking of idiots, who paid for this little gem, anyway? Anyone know who's behind it exactly?

[MrMickeysMom]

82. See post #6

and apparently the Clarion Fund, a non-profit group who wants to sustain the war on "us" from "them"

[MadrasT]

76. I got it in the mail AND in the newspaper.

Philadelphia suburbs. Haven't watched it yet, but I think I will sometime when I need to get some hollerin' out of my system.

[MrMickeysMom]

83. Oh, yeah, you'll be doing THAT, for sure

[Vickers]

79. Wasn't in my home delivery Palm Beach Post this morning.

:shrug:

[MrMickeysMom]

85. Really?

I'm not sure if everyone's was delivered in Sunday version, which is where mine was (in the ads). If you're not a 7 day a week subscriber, maybe? Your paper was among the ones listed, though.

[Vickers]

101. I just went and checked again...nothing.

And we do get 7-day delivery.

I even checked the bag it came in since the Sunday paper sometimes has a little pocket they stash stuff in.

My wife reminded me that our paper guy is from Pakistan, so maybe he did a little "pruning" when he saw it. :P

[Vickers]

111. Well wudduh ya know, it came in today's paper...

:mad:

I'm going to cool off for a minute, then write a blistering letter to the Palm Beach Post.

[Bulletin Justin]

84. What if this is just the first in a series????

We better be calling our papers and cancelling if they won't stop this.
What if this is going to be a weekly ad insert FROM NOW TO ELECTION DAY---we really do have our work cut out for us and need to jump on this right now!

TRUE PATRIOTS PRAY FOR THE USA----REPUBLICANS PREY ON THE USA.

[csziggy]

89. It is - the "Third Jihad" is due out in October

Florida outnumbers all other states in the number of newspapers this crap is being distributed in. This Clarion Fund needs to be shut down - they obviously are violating the laws about what a 501(c)(3) is allowed to do. And are being used to hide the people who are trying to use terrorism and propaganda to influence the election.

[MrMickeysMom]

92. Agreed

Kick, please

[MrMickeysMom]

91. Welcome to DU, Bulletin Justin

:hi:

That is right on the mark. That's why I've been trying to keep this kicked. I've been taking my own personal pulse on a local level, being involved in local govt, election process and the local Dem's committee. They don't realize the full impact. If they don't multiply the reaction when the BIG LIE has done it's deed. We're in the middle of this process like a frog in a slow warming pot.

It appears to be escalating here in Pittsburgh. Last week, we had a positive spin by inserting a new testament bible in the Sunday paper. This week, it's a negative spin on including this slick DVD on Islamic religious extremists. What's next week?

I know what tomorrow is for me, because that's when I call the paper again.

[stpalmer]

93. Thank you DUers for warning about this!

I got mine in my Saturday paper in Colorado. Hopefully, people won't look closely and will think it's an advertisment. Mine went straight into the trash.

[Starry Messenger]

97. HuffPo article here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html

"Although supposedly a 501 c(3) non-profit, this week the Clarion Fund's website featured an article supporting John McCain. Yesterday, the Patriot-News in PA reported on the DVDs showing up in Pennsylvania, and noted:

"On Wednesday, though, there was an article on the group's new Web site, www.radicalislam.org, that backed Republican presidential candidate John McCain. The article discusses both candidates and concludes: "McCain's policies seek to confront radical Islamic extremism and terrorism and roll it back while Obama's, although intending to do the same, could in fact make the situation facing the West even worse."

According to Clarion Fund director of communications Gregory Ross, the article "crossed the line" and would be removed."

This isn't small potatoes.

MPK

[nc4bo]

102. Outrage from the News&Observer subscribers....

http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/n_o_subscribers_to_receive_islam_dvd

Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by Isaac136 on September 11, 2008 - 4:36pm.

What a bizarre thing to receive from one's newspaper. Good lord, have you guys flipped out? Could you be more specific about the hows and whys here? Exactly how much money did N&O get to agree to this?
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by scharrison on September 11, 2008 - 5:09pm.

This is nothing more than political propaganda, designed to instill fear and anger in the voting populations of potential swing states, and I'm sure it will have some success in achieving that goal. Frankly, there's just not enough fear being generated on the news these days, and the neocons are afraid they will lose their power in the absence of it.

And as far as the N&O accepting the advertising money this will bring in, I guess it's not much different than tv stations airing some of the loonier 501(c) commercials. But I strongly recommend you guys put something in Saturday's paper explaining to readers that it was a "paid for" thing just like all the coupons and sales ads. And Quarles also might want to consider the impact it will have on some of your (remaining) advertising clientele.

And for my Democratic brethren and...sistren?...they wouldn't spend this kind of money if N.C. wasn't in play. Congratulations. We're almost there.
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by marknewman on September 11, 2008 - 5:26pm.

How pathetic...you are allowing yourselves to be pawns for the neo-conservatives...boy you guys are scared Obama will win in NC aren't you.

SO MUCH FOR OBJECTIVE JOURNALISM
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by mhayhurst on September 11, 2008 - 8:40pm.

Totally shocked! ...in a good way.

The News and Observer is one of the most liberal leaning newspapers in NC and to allow the inclusion of this dvd, a dvd by the way, that shows what a real threat these radical Islamists truly are, is your saving grace for my continued subscription. I literally was going to cancel it after this weekend, due to the ever growing liberal bias that floods this paper...maybe you're coming around...although I doubt it...this dvd bought you a few more months...

Oh, and FFC1304's mention of Freedom to Fascism is great. A mind blowing documentary. You won't see this corrupt government the same way ever again...

In Liberty.
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by chayami on September 13, 2008 - 11:53am.

You know, I didn't think it was possible to be quite this stunned, given the tone and tenor of the right-wing presidential election tactics of this and the past two elections. I was wrong. There is no point in asking the question: "What were you thinking" Mr. McClure; that would be, at best, rhetorical. It is clear, very clear, just what the powers-that-be on the N & O were thinking. By participating in a fear campaign, you have chosen to redefine yourself from news organization to tabloid. The fact that the Clarion Fund chose North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, and MIchigan (all battleground states) as the places to distribute this DVD is no accident, and it is counting on exploiting the fears of the otherwise-uniformed and easily frightened to again drive an election. I have just left you a voicemail expressing my disgust; I really hope you have the courage to reply. I then attempted to cancel my subscription (which I will accomplish tomorrow, hopefully), using the automated voicemail at the Circulation Department. Interestingly, canceling is not one of the options, the office is closed, but the recording indicates one can call back tomorrow between 7 AM and midnight. I suspect that is no accident. I assure you, we are all intelligent enough and outraged enough to remember to call back tomorrow (or Monday) and cancel subscriptions. I intend to exhaust every effort at my disposal to urge others to do the same. Having read the comments posted here so far, I don't think that it will be hard to accomplish that goal.
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by ktfenway on September 13, 2008 - 9:14pm.

I almost fell on the floor when I opened the Raleigh News & Observer and found the fear-mongering DVD. How horrible! I guess the idea is that we watch the video, become terrified, and vote for another president who will lead us into still more pointless wars. The video was right in one respect. It is a war of ideology and it can't be won with guns. However, this is beside the point.

I don't want to see propaganda with my morning newspaper. I will be cancelling my subscription on Monday.
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Re: N&O subscribers to receive Islam DVD
Submitted by Dick280 on September 14, 2008 - 4:52pm.

I am completely disgusted with what you have done. Spreading hateful propaganda is not your role. You OWE subscribers the answers to a lot of questions, (see comments above) but chiefly - how much were you paid to participate? Despicable behavior! Your credibility with me is now nada!
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WE are NOT amused.

[GoneOffShore]

107. Came in last weeks Sunday NYT.

[Starry Messenger]

109. kick for the night crew.