Phoenix Catholic churches are urging support for anti-gay marriage proposition DURING services

[blondeatlast]

and also broadcasting a video from the head of the diocese.

I can't give many more details, I just saw it on the local news--and of course, no mention that this might be unConstitutional or violate their tax-exempt status.

[gateley]

1. The first time I voted, on the ballot were making abortion legal, and

making it illegal to doscriminate against gays. (30+ years ago)

Our pastor told us, vote no on abortion, and yes to make it illegal to discriminate against gays.

So the Church has always "guided its flock".

I'm surprised they got involved in the gay marriage issue, though -- that to me is human rights. :shrug:

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. If he was RC, he was going out on a limb re. non-discrimination.

>>>>Our pastor told us, vote no on abortion, and yes to make it illegal to discriminate against gays.>>>>

The church hierarchy around here (NY) has *always* opposed non-discrimination protections for GLBTs.

[gateley]

10. I'm confused --

your church has SUPPORTED discrimination against GLBTs? Am I understanding what you're saying?

And also, just to make sure I stated it clearly, my church was AGAINST such discrimination.

By the way, I voted to make abortion legal, and against GLBT discrimination.

[Smarmie Doofus]

11. Absolutely. In NYC we worked for years to pass....

>>>>>your church has SUPPORTED discrimination against GLBTs? Am I understanding what you're saying?>>>>>

... job and housing protections and were fought *tooth and nail* every step of the way by the NY RC hierarchy, first under Cooke, and then under O'Connor. ( We finally won in '86-'87 but they continued to challenge, obfuscate, undermine and demagogue the issue for years after.)

Then they discovered gay marriage.




>>>>>And also, just to make sure I stated it clearly, my church was AGAINST such discrimination.>>>>>>

The churches here were for it. And if someone... an individual priestfor instance.... dissented , he did so quietly, I can assure you. If not *silently*.



>>>By the way, I voted to make abortion legal, and against GLBT discrimination. >>>>>

Me too and me too. I actually see more shades of gray in the abortion issue and am somewhat more forgiving of the RC church there... though I believe the state should not get involved in personal/medical issues and believe that Roe V. Wade strikes a reasonable balace between the rights of the individual and the putative 'rights' of the fetus.... as well as with the right of the individual states to make their own laws.

[msongs]

2. i think the rules only apply to human candidates, not issues propositions nt

[RoccoR5955]

3. I don't think so, because they are not supporting any one candidate.

Though if there is a specific ballot issue on this, they could be construed as to support a specific position on a ballot issue.

[JerseygirlCT]

4. They're allowed to address *issues*, just not to endorse

*candidates*.

It sucks, but that's the latitude they have, I believe.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. So their position on killing 1,000,000 people in Iraq is...? nt

[JerseygirlCT]

9. Technically, it would be that's not a good thing

But I don't know that TPTB in the RCC have been all that focused of late on things like the death penalty or unjust war.

Ever so much more fun to meddle with the private reproductive choices of women.

[mascarax]

6. IRS should be notified!

This needs to stop.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Are they saying anything about supporting candidates who support the war?

John Paul II told Bush "if you go into Iraq you go without God."

1 million dead and the Phoenix hierarchy is worrying about gay marriage.

Ridiculous and disgusting.

[blondeatlast]

12. Okay, apparently issues advocacy is okay, apologies for my ignorance on that. More info:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/124908

[UTUSN]

13. Are they exempting their PRIESTS?!1 n/t