It's ALL the Republicans fault, all of it.

[DainBramaged]

The banking crisis, o'boy it's their fault.

The housing crisis, it's their fault, I hope they get foreclosed.

The energy crisis, it's their fault.

The Jobs crisis, it's their fault.

The Middle East crisis, it's ALL their fault.

The Russian crisis, it's their fault.

The health care crisis, you bet, they own it.

The infrastructure crisis, it's their fault, I hope they get a flat in a pot hole.

The debt crisis, yup, same story.

Oh and I almost forgot, the destruction of our manufacturing base and exporting of jobs, how could I forget that one?

The destruction of our Military, forcing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS in rebuilding that otherwise would not have been necessary.

The pillaging of Iraq. That one is historic.

ALL of the problems we face, every one, is the fault of the Right Wing. 25 years of insanity since Raygun took over. Anyone who says otherwise (or makes excuses for them) needs their heads examined. And ANYONE who doesn't understand what kind of a hole their complete mismanagement has put this country into, needs to ask questions instead of voting against 'Liburals'. Liberals will save the country from Third World status.


This is all you need to remember when you face one of these 'Morans'.


That is all.

[baldguy]

1. B-but, but ... BILL CLINTON got a BJ when he was President!

[DainBramaged]

4. I heard this clown on CNBC early this morning claiming the banking crisis STARTED with Clinton's

administration in 1992 and HE shares the blame.

What a Reich wing apologist.

[leftchick]

16. well bill isn't quite as innocent in this matter either.....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html

Congress passes Financial Services Modernization Act


After 12 attempts in 25 years, Congress finally repeals Glass-Steagall, rewarding financial companies for more than 20 years and $300 million worth of lobbying efforts. Supporters hail the change as the long-overdue demise of a Depression-era relic.

On Oct. 21, with the House-Senate conference committee deadlocked after marathon negotiations, the main sticking point is partisan bickering over the bill's effect on the Community Reinvestment Act, which sets rules for lending to poor communities. Sandy Weill calls President Clinton in the evening to try to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup lobbyist Roger Levy that Weill has to get White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate conference. Serious negotiations resume, and a deal is announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22. Whether Weill made any difference in precipitating a deal is unclear.

On Oct. 22, Weill and John Reed issue a statement congratulating Congress and President Clinton, including 19 administration officials and lawmakers by name. The House and Senate approve a final version of the bill on Nov. 4, and Clinton signs it into law later that month.

Just days after the administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the repeal, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill's chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Secretary Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, "You're buying the government?"

[dynasaw]

2. Couldn't agree More

. . .and Dems need to keep hammering this in to the public between now and November. Get away from the big distraction--the Trojan moose--
and back to the disastrous consequences four more years of Republicans will bring.

[Waiting For Everyman]

3. Damn straight it is!

Just all-around great management, huh? :sarcasm:

They need to get the hell out of the way, and let somebody who knows what they're doing take over. Reagan, Bush and Bush - a disaster. McC likely to be worst of all, and with the same idiot (Gramm) calling the shots.

[VWolf]

5. Don't forget to add

the woeful responses to Katrina, Ike, etc.

They own those failures too.

[boomerbust]

6. A quote from my nephew this weekend

I will vote for McCain because Obama will take my guns away. The boy needs to be bitchslapped and quick.

[Bobbieo]

7. We must keep in mind that Impeachment was NEVER on the table, too!!!

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

9. What people like this don't release ...

What people like this don't release is if this country goes into lock down with Republican running things, THEY will be taking the guns away, aka Republican controlled Gestapo Storm Troopers, and not the Democrats!

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Just like they did during Katrina.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Hard+Times+In+The+Big+Easy

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

15. Thanks, I forgot about that link.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Give him this link.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Hard+Times+In+The+Big+Easy



Ask him who took guns away after he reads this. And there are plenty more links like this on the internet.

[GoesTo11]

8. Best ad text I've seen

Puts lipstick in perspective.

[DainBramaged]

18. Yup. EVERYTIME you get a Reichwing clown spitting talking points, hit them

with this list. It will shut them up.

OH AND I forgot, disrespecting our troops, TO THE POINT OF IGNORING THE NEED TO CARE FOR THEM.

Fucking Pukes.

[Hugabear]

10. Don't forget the aftermath of Katrina and Ike

You'd be hard pressed to find anything that * and his cronies haven't fucked up.

[El Pinko]

13. Don't you mean the republicans and the significant numbers of elected democrats that helped them?

Like, oh, I dunno... Bill "Gipper II®" Clinton?

[DainBramaged]

17. (sigh) Who controlled the House and Senate from 1994 to 2006?

Bill Clinton? I KNOW he fucked up NAFTA, but he ISN'T to blame for the rest of the bullshit.

Please.

[El Pinko]

23. "PLEASE" - this has been building for 27 years.

And faux democrats like Clinton have been instrumental in the deregulation/tax cuts for the rich steamroller all along the way.

NAFTA is just a tiny part of it. Hell, Clinton deregulated the lending industry and broadcasting among many other policies that are against all democratic principles.

Do your homework.

[DainBramaged]

24. I do, but I will not put the blame on Clinton HE has been out of office for SEVEN YEARS

put the blame where it belongs and stop pointing fingers at Clinton. He also gave us (and me) 8 years of peace and prosperity.

When has a Puke ever done that?

[El Pinko]

25. The fact that he was miles better than a repug doesn't mean he governed like a democrat...

...he governed like a moderate repug - one without the guts to reverse the Reagan tax cuts for the rich and deregulation steamroller.

(he also increased a significant number of gov't user fees IE regressive taxes while in office.)

I don't want to make this all about Clinton - obviously he is not PRIMARILY to blame, but it bugs me when partisan hacks absolve the ever-increasingly-right-wing democratic party of any responsibility.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

27. I agree with everything you've said in this thread.

Democrats are not blameless. I wish we were, but we're not.

[DainBramaged]

34. You ARE trying to make this about Clinton, and I want nothing more to do with our discussion

the fucking Rethugs ruined this country, and for you to try to place blame on Clinton is so Freeperish it isn't funny.

We're done, peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

[El Pinko]

49. Oh please. The freepers love that dems like Clinton went so far right...

...it allows their party to lurch further and further right to the point of being indistinguishable from fascists.


God forbid America actually have a left-leaning OPPOSITION party.

:eyes:

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Happy to add the #5 vote!

[wiggs]

19. That's right. Crises in every policy area. SUCH an easy case to make yet

journalists, pundits, dem leaders tend to deal with one issue at a time (sometimes a tiny issue) and forget to make an overall case of failure, mismanagement, misdeeds, and damage. It's there waiting for someone to say it! Thank you for doing so and now we need someone with national exposure to do it...

[DainBramaged]

20. This is an IMPORTANT picture

(thanks americablog.com)


McSame's supporters.

[DiamondG]

21. if only that was true; dems would win in a landslide. many folks in the middle see dem complicity

on virtually every major repug screwup, and then when they hear this 'it's ALL their fault' huey (sp?), it causes demsa to lose credibility. btw, i am not a 'low information voter.'

[DainBramaged]

22. I do not disagree, we have been very deficient in "growing a pair".

[alarimer]

31. There IS Dem complicity in a lot of it.

After all, Clinton did sign the bill that set this up. He could have vetoed it. He was the best President the corporations could have wanted. And the current crop in Congress are a bunch of do-nothings.

So yes there is plenty of blame on our side too. Most of them DLCers.

[El Pinko]

52. Stop "being an apologist for the Reich Wing"!!!

Why, if we start demanding that democrats actually govern like progressives, why, it might actually improve life for regular Americans and lead to a solid democratic majority!

No, we have to love on quasi-republicans who push republican-lite policies, and in doing so lend credence to the GOP notion that the answers lie in tax cuts for the rich and deregulation, and not New Deal programs, labor rights and progressive taxation. :sarcasm:

[MadHound]

26. That's a nice, biased way of looking at the world. I for one prefer to deal in reality

Yes, Bushco have committed many heinous acts. But the economy isn't a problem that they created all on their own. They had this set up during the ninties under the Clinton regime, what with repealing Glas-Steagal, outsourcing via NAFTA, granting China most favored nation status, various deregulation acts, and other actions favorable to corporations and the financial sector.

Killing the American economy was a long progression of events that have now culminated in Bush. It is a bipartisan fuck up, one that was ultimately put in place by the corporate masters of both Bush and Clinton. Face up to this reality instead of trying to pin it all on one party. Once you do this, you can proceed forward in a more enlightened and productive manner.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

28. NO enablers involved! Thanks for not getting counterproductive and...

suggesting enablers played a role.
What a relief, I can sleep tonight.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

29. I think you're wrong about Russia and about the Middle East.

The Russian invasion of Georgia (and the Georgian attempt to enforce its control of South Ossettia that provided the excuse for it) happened despite the Republicans wishes, and surprised them.

The American president most responsible for the Middle East crisis is Harry Truman, a Democrat, who allowed the foundation of Israel. The Republicans haven't done anything to alleviate the situation in the last eight years, but that's not the same thing as it being their fault.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

30. IBTL

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate
-Noam Chomsky

[DainBramaged]

35. Of course not, the Republicans had nothing to do with the problems in the Middle East

how could I be so wrong? And Harry Truman, of course, lets dig him up and smack him around for creating the foundation for the state of Israel.

What was I thinking?

:sarcasm:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

36. That's an interesting approach.

Rather than discuss my points, you simply repeat exaggerated caricatures of them, and add a sarcasm tag.

Anyone would think you weren't able to think of a sensible response...

There has been a crisis in the Middle East since 1946. It was caused by the foundation of the state of Israel, something that happened on a Democrat's watch. At some points in the intervening time (1978) it has gotten better; at other times (1967) it has gotten worse. In the last eight years, things have gotten a little worse, but they were pretty awful at the start of that time, so blaming "the Middle East crisis" on the current Republican administration is just silly.

If you want a more valid criticism, "they had nothing to do with it" is a much better one - they probably could have made the situation better, and they haven't done. However, nor did most preceding administrations.

[DainBramaged]

38. (sigh) you you think it's the fault of the State of Israel? Great

lets dig up Golda Meier and smack her around for causing us so many problems. :sarcasm:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

40. Once again,

Instead of either discussing or trying to rebut what I actually said, you simply caricature it. That's not a bad way to have a fight (although it's not a very good one either), but it's a lousy way to have a discussion.

It occurs to me that we may be talking about cross-purposes. I'm using the term "Middle East crisis" to refer to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian crisis of that name, which I believe is what it is usually used to refer to, and which I do think is mostly the fault of Israel.

If you're using it to mean "the complete set of crises in the wider Middle East, including Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan etc" then more of it is the fault of America.

I can't think of any other way in which one could blame "the Middle East crisis" on America.

[DainBramaged]

42. So, is Iraq the fault of the Republicans, or are you apologizing again for them?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

47. No, that one is the Republicans fault.

It was caused by American action within the last seven years, and hence (obviously) the Republicans fault.

As opposed to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, which wasn't.

[DainBramaged]

43. On second thought I think you are an apologist for the Reich wing, and bashing our former Presidents

isn't a nice thing to do. I noticed you hand NOTHING to say about Nixon, Raygun or either of the Bush dolts.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

OH WAIT, you aren't from around here (and I mean AROUND here), are ya? You are a pond hopper.

Goodbye, go try and fuck with someone else.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

46. So much bile and hatred, so little thought.

I would suggest that you either a) point to some evidence that I'm an apologist for the right wing, or b) apologise for falsely accusing me without a shred of evidence to support it.

I'm also amused and bewildered by your attempt to paint the fact that I'm not an American as a flaw on my part. You be surprised by how many people aren't...

[DainBramaged]

48. Nice try. There are plenty of Americans here I can talk with who don't

bash Democrats, and don't think Clinton is the fault for all of the world's problems. And if you think my disdain for you is hatred, you need to get a life or latch onto someone else who will pay attention to your bleating.

Join that non-exclusive group I call my shit list whom I choose to ignore, because life is too short to argue with dolts.

[El Pinko]

51. There are those of us who actually believe in progressive principles, then there are partisan hacks.

That poster apparently suffers under the illusion that there's never been a democrat who did wrong.

Just because all republican politicians are bad doesn't mean that all democratic ones are good.



Oh, but Clinton was popular, so we can't criticize him. Never mind that about the only two progressive things he got done in 8 years were a balanced budget and unpaid family leave...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

53. Hang on a second - I *wasn't* criticising Clinton!

I don't think the Israeli-Palestinian crisis is his fault any more (in fact less) than I think it's Bush's - he actually made some efforts to solve it.

The poster I was arguing with just made that up to attack me.

I'm not saying there are no valid criticisms of him (although I think you're too hard on him), but I certainly wasn't advancing any...

[ColoradoMagician]

32. All. Of. It.

They wanted to silence any idea other than what they proposed.

[bdamomma]

33. this was on "their watch" period

[mtnsnake]

37. Keep tellin it like it is

Sooner or later it will sink in to them even if they won't admit it in front of you.

[DainBramaged]

39. Too many Reich-wing apologists in this thread

but I seem to attract the crazies so hat's OK.I let them step into the concrete all on their own.

[El Pinko]

50. You really are "DainBramaged"...

...if you think that pointing it out when democrats abandon democratic principles and help the repugs is "being a reich-wing apologist".

Is it so much to ask that ALL democrats show some goddamn solidarity and VOTE NO on things like the IWR, NAFTA, Tax cuts on the rich, deregulation, etc?

The repugs are almost always unanimous in support of their looney-toons agenda. The democratic party will continue to fail as long as it continues to be compromised by those who enable the right-wing agenda.

[LanternWaste]

54. As Pepe LePew once famously said, "le sigh"

Authoritarian and arbitrary doctrines, mixed with a dash of dogmatism and blind loyalty are not merely reserved for only the right-wing it would seem-- at least by reading this thread.

Much as the a.m. radio talk show world, we ourselves have a small coterie who will lay the blame of all the world's ills at the feet of one political party, and credit all the good in the world to the opposition party; branding objective discourse as disloyalty.

That one may get called an apologist merely for avoiding the political cheer leading routines is, I think, part and parcel of this brand of secular fundamentalism and political orthodoxy.

As Pepe LePew once famously said, "le sigh."


Might I make a suggestion? There are some individuals in this world that one simply should not argue with as they sometimes feel that making a clever, though wholly irrelevant remark hold the same weight of import in a discussion as does objectivity and validity. I've seen this in the "Buy Only American Cars Else You're a Nazi" threads and learned this the frustratingly hard way... :thumbsup:

[Naturyl]

41. Pretty much, yeah.

Some say it oversimplifies the situation to blame one side for everything.

I say sometimes the simple answer is the right one.

There are people who believe a lot of dumb things, and people who believe less dumb things. The ones that believe a lot of dumb things naturally do most of the damage. It's a no-brainer, right?

[Xenotime]

44. Perfectly said!

I saw somebody on the side of the road with McSame sticker on the back windshield. I couldn't help but laugh. I wanted to yell out the window, "Where's your old geezer and gold digging bitch now?!"

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

45. I'll agree that, those elected to represent the Republican party are responsible. The buck stops,..

,...at the feet of that relationship among "compassionate conservatives" and neocon/corporacrats. It just seems so intimately close to a fascist affair I do not understand the continued obsession rather than EXCRETION of a seriously DYSFUNCTIONAL combination!!!

I just DON'T GET IT!

Oh! That's right! There's an obsession with power and greed and status in this nation. Limbaugh says, "hell, it's just a living"!

:puke: