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Sincerely, even for the Freak Republic, :wtf: To: Kevmo A pump shotgun is a great weapon for a neophyte. Easy to aim. Easy to load and unload. Hard hitting effective rounds. Less likely to kill a bystander with an errant shot. Intimidating. And makes a great sound as you chamber a round.
13 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:07:36 PM by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more)) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo If you are on a budget but serious about home & self-defense ... I bought a Mossberg `Maverick’ 12 gauge shotgun at Wally World for $177.00 not too long ago. The safety is on the trigger guard, like a Remington, so I could put a top folding stock on it. I also bought an 18 1/2” barrel, but the longer barrel is better. It chambers 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells. I plan to put it in my trunk right after Halloween. Save the .22 for plinking cans and squirrels. Series.
14 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:09:57 PM by tumblindice (I'm sticking by my guns and voting for conservatives.) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: itsthejourney Here’s the link to the Free Republic posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2082577/posts?page=112
Inside that post I clicked on the WaPo article and brought up this link. I don’t know why the link put up for the article title is different from this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
15 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:10:17 PM by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo Just made two purchases — a Remington 870 and a Springfield Armory XD-40. What a sweet pistol.
16 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:10:55 PM by Londo Molari < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo; ZULU I'm not answering for ZULU, but from experiencing fighting the rioters in Newark, N.J. in '67 & '68. They don't leave their neighborhoods, but attempt to burn & steal everything from all businesses in them. They will also shoot at any white person who happens to be there, or passing through.
17 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:13:25 PM by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies>
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To: dangerdoc I think you meant, point, not aim...You aim a rifle, you point a shotgun. Been shooting them all my life, and taught it for the last 15 years.
18 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:14:26 PM by graywaiter (Gotta love those gun tote'n mommas.......) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo I wanted this for Christmas but yikes the price!
19 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:15:39 PM by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo http://www.ar-15-parts.com/
20 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:16:25 PM by Ouderkirk (I will not vote for Obama not because he is black, but because he is RED) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: dangerdoc; All I’d second the opinion in the Rem 870 combo. Don’t need to take any stupid test (as for handgun ownership here in CA), reasonably affordable, durable, the newer modles have a safety lock that requires a special tool to disable, ammo is cheap and readily available (use #4 buck for crowd control), easy to maintain. You can also take up skeet or trap with the long barrel if you like. The only other alternative is any of the “security” shottys that Big 5 carry. They’re a little cheaper (and maybe not as solidly built, but still safe) but they all come with the 18.5” barrel which isn’t useful for bird shooting.
Oh, BTW, Obama will win CA, but McCain/Palin will win the general...and there will be no riots anywhere.
21 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:16:34 PM by rmccullo < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies>
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To: Lurker So You’re Thinking of Buying a Gun Sierra Times ^ | 11.27.01 | Sunni Maravillosa
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:59:52 AM by
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/578959/posts
Lurker So You Want To Buy A Gun: http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a380ac90132ec.htm. So You Want To Buy A Gun: http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a380ac90132ec.htm ... www.freerepublic.com/~lurker/links?U=%2Ftag%2F*%2Findex - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
Americans saying with wallet, “We feel safer when armed” So You Want To Buy A Gun. Enjoy. L. 37 posted on 09/29/2001 6:11:54 PM PDT by Lurker. < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies> ... www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bb6596c6f86.htm - 54k - Cached - Similar pages
22 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:17:08 PM by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo Second the 12 ga. pump recommendations. Take up sporting clays for entertainment.
23 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:17:22 PM by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: G.Mason And then they complain when stores and other businesses don’t want to located in their neighborhoods.
24 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:17:56 PM by july4thfreedomfoundation (Thirty democrat attorneys are in Alaska "investigating" Gov. Palin....how many are in Chicago?) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies>
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To: rstark56 Being a hunter, ***I’m not a hunter.
25 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:18:05 PM by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo A few pieces of info for you. A .22 has NO stopping power. It will only piss them off and they will get you before you can load the next round. Keep the weapon out of reach of the kids and teach them not to touch it or go near it. A locked gun is useless for self defense.
The reason there were no Y2K disasters is because thousands of people like me worked countless hours to fix the problems before the event. The threat and the problems were real.
The threat of riots is real too. The only way to deal with it is to be prepared. Hope for the best prepare for the worst.
26 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:18:22 PM by BubbaBasher (NEW: www.HypocriteLibs.org - Tracking the Slandering Liars in the MSM) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo What the neophytes need to do is to think, but not to the point of paralysis. If you live in a large urban area, work in a large urban area or visit a large urban area, you need to pay attention to what is going on and the big “IF” in November. That's number one.
I would suggest to my non-gun owning friends that you sit down and truly look with an objective eye regarding the situation. Can I defend my property if I have to do so? Can I defend the lives of my family if I have to do so? What are the risks of major rioting and or other upheaval near me?
Shotguns are good for personal defense if you understand the limitations. A .22 rifle is nice for plinking cans and bottles, and I guess in a pinch if you got off a very good shot, you might get lucky. Personally, I would not bother.
My suggestion would be a bolt action rifle, a small revolver and a 9mm or .45 automatic pistol. If you are not familiar with firearms, take a class. Practice. Practice. Practice. Understand that it is a tool, and always treat every thing that even looks like a gun as a loaded weapon.
Good luck to all.
27 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:19:17 PM by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: rstark56 Being a hunter, buy yourself a remington 870 shot gun Blech.
Now don't get me wrong. The 870 is a fine weapon. For hunting. I have one and wouldn't get rid of it.
But when seconds count, I don't want to be fumbling for that silly little button the the trigger guard.
Get a Mossberg 500. The safety is on top, you push it toward the bad guy to shoot.
Plus, the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test.
28 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:19:24 PM by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo Best firearms for defending oneself in a”riot”?
I cast my vote for two (both carried at the same time):
1) A pump action 12 gauge shotgun with plenty of 00Buck shells.
2) A .357 mag revolver with a couple speed-loaders and plenty of extra ammunition.
I’ll certainly not argue with those who are more comfortable with a semi-auto pistol like the good-ol’ .45 ACP (with several spare magazines and, as before, plenty of extra ammo), but I think the shotgun is absolutley indespensible in a “close-in” situation. The police don’t call their short-barreled pump actions “riot guns” for nothing.
29 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:19:54 PM by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: graywaiter OK, so can a “civvy” buy one of those 18(?) rd tube magazined Remington 12 guages?
30 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:20:54 PM by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo The purpose of this thread is to help Freepers and lurkers decide upon what the best mode of self defense would be in the case of the breakdown in social order Too late for all that.
The government has already perpetrated a coast to coast lawless violent invasion by allowing into the country upwards of 40 million illegal aliens...
While at the same time forcing the working class to subsidize the business owners illegal low wage labor. While the biz owners reap their profits from low wage illegal workers, the American working class are left twisting in the wind, paying for millions of illegals health care, food stamps, etc.
All this while the government has spent money like a drunken lotto winner.
This is a perfect example of an extreme breakdown in social order that has been building strong for over 10 years now.
31 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:22:45 PM by dragnet2 < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: Winged Hussar If you have never owned a gun: buy a revolver for close in and a bolt action/lever for range ( see below) If you don't have much $$$, buy a Ruger 10/22 and a brick of ammo...will kill game and feral humans. If you absolutely want to kill stop a man in your home, get a 12 gauge pump-action and load it with #4 buck. If you want to defend property outside the home, you need #00 buckshot for distance and car/garage penetration (warning: can penetrate many sheetrock walls). If you want to defend against a mob, you will need a semi-auto with hi-cap magazines, ar-15/ak series/mini14/sks. for two man team patrols in/around property, it's hard to beat a .357 lever action for the wife/preteens and a .357 revolver. (can shoot .38 SPL)....this is old school SHTF... But still has merits. lastly..... For zombie defense, get a M1919a4 on tripod and set the T&E to head level ;)
32 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:23:21 PM by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies>
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation Another thing that “community organizers” harp about - the higher prices in stores in these neighborhoods.
Well, if you “community organizers” would “organize” a lower crime rate, these businesses wouldn’t have to invest in the extra security measures, have to deal with as much theft, and lower insurance rates,
then they could charge what they charge in “white” neighborhoods.
33 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:23:24 PM by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, a gun isn’t the magic wand portrayed on TV that resolves bad people by simply waving in their general direction.
Buying the cheapest one on the Walmart rack - or a $2000 tacticool M4gery for that matter - a month before a crisis and locking it up in the closet just in case is only marginally better than doing nothing at all.
The time to go out in the woods and plink is today. When making every mistake in the book doesn’t matter.
34 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:24:16 PM by CGTRWK < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: ZULU; areukiddingme1; Kevmo I tend to agree with you, but it never hurts to “Be Prepared”. Good post, Kevmo. Good advice for everyone who values life...their life...loves freedom...their freedom.
The left has ratcheted up this continuous process of warfare, psychological and political, if not militarily...yet.
I’m somewhat concerned about our candidates well-being. I would not put anything past these socialists.
35 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25:10 PM by PGalt < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo If it looks like McCain's going to win, rent a place in a better neighborhood for a few days. The places that are burned or destroyed are usually small stores that are easy to loot. Stay away from them.
Riots won't last more than a few days. If you think your neighborhood will blow, go on vacation, visit the in-laws. Send the kids away.
If there's rioting, responsible blacks - including Obama - will be out there telling people to calm down. And the police will be doing their part.
It'll be fine.
Don't be bullied into voting for Obama out of fear.
36 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25:18 PM by GOPJ (Am I the only person tired of bailing out multimillionaires with tax dollars?) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: tacticalogic I’ve always had a 12 gauge shotgun, which I keep loaded for home safety. Recently I bought a .38 snubnose revolver, since it is easier to handle with the arthritis. The kids have home defense weapons, we’ve all grown up with firearms for hunting and defense.
We’ve never needed them, but I’d rather have them and not need them, than need them and not have them.
37 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25:25 PM by Judith Anne < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies>
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To: LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot I wanted this for Christmas You'll shoot your eye out.
I agree with the person who said it's all in where you live. I can't see much happening in Texas where most everyone has guns and aren't afraid to use them.
38 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25:30 PM by itsthejourney (Sarah-cuda IS the right reason) < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies>
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To: Kevmo ROTFLMAO!!! The minority crowd burns down their OWN neighborhoods...not mine. “Riots”?? Fine. Those slums good use a good cleaning out.
39 posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:26:26 PM by CodeToad < Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies>
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To: DCBryan1 Have you been looking in my gun safe?
I actually HAVE at least one of each of the weapons you mentioned in your post... except the “zombie” gun. Does WANTING one of those count??http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2082856/posts
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