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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:32 AM
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Poll question: Do you think the Government should be bailing out AIG
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:35 AM
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1. Tax and spend GOPers
Bailing like hell and the ship of state is on the rocks and sinking faster every day...McCain will "Stay Bush's Course!" "To The Gates Of Hell!"
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:37 AM
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2. They made thier bed
Now let them lie in it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:44 AM
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4. problem is that millions and millions of people who didn't make
that bed, would be forced to lie in it too. AIG's collapse would spell disaster for millions. no doubt about it.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:59 AM
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16. From my understanding of what I read yesterday..
they said they would only give the bail out to try and prevent a complete and total implosion of the stock market, which of course would effect the whole world disastrously. This was a lesser of two evils strategy.

My guess is this is still just another temporary fix.

They're just trying to get us to November, then all bets are off.
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:40 AM
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3. No.
They made very poor business decisions and should have to live with the consequences just like any other business.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:45 AM
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5. don't know very much- make that anything- about this, do you?
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:27 AM
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21. More than you think.
Is adding on more national debt what we need?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:45 AM
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6. No - let the invisible hand of the free market up-skirt these companies. n/t
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:45 AM
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7. I would like to see a third option...
Bailout the company and nationalize it. If it makes a profit in the future, the taxpayers get a dividend.
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:48 AM
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8. we literally had no choice. Regulation opponents finally cornered us into this position.
so i vote, yes... since there was no alternative.
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tazkcmo Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:50 AM
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9. Always an alternative
Even if you don't like it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:05 AM
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18. I hate to say it but I agree.
Had AIG failed that would have created a negative ripple effect for virtually every bank in America as it insures their loans to one another.

I do believe this should be the final nail in the coffin of the failed philosophy of Reaganomics.

If anything there should be more government regulation and oversight of the mega-corporations, they can't police them selves.

Maybe the government should shift precious resources from the bullshit, Orwellian, Alice in Wonderland, "War Against Drugs" AKA: war against the people and go after mega-corporate corruption with the same zeal.

When people like Abramov receive only four years and even that may not stand, the ultimate result is implicit societal approval of conflict of interest which gives birth to this nonsense.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:51 AM
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10. We really didn't have much choice
People fail to realize the vast implications this would have on the country.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:54 AM
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11. the middle class gets screwed either way, so what's it matter nt/
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:54 AM
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12. Your question have way to many false premises
First of all, once again as with Fannie and Freddie, it doesn't appear to be a bail out. It's a nationalization.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:57 AM
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15. it's a loan with the gov't holding 80% of the company as collateral
how is that nationalization? AIG has over a trillion in assets. We'll see what happens.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:08 AM
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20. A bailout is designed to save equity positions
Once again, as with F&F, equity is wiped out. To me the holding of equity of all the holding companies as collateral is thinly disguised ownership. Ordinarily if you hold equity as collateral, you don't get to vote the shares and control the company. The government is saying it will control the company and dismiss management. That's a thinly disguised nationalization.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:55 AM
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13. End of the day, there's no choice.
If AIG went under the ripples across the sector would bring the entire house of cards down.

Sadly, though, there are other AIGs out there that won't be bailed out and the addition of all of those will sitll bring the house of cards down.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:55 AM
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14. this way they slay the beast and bring us to feudalism right quick
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:02 AM
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17. We're over a barrel
Just like in Blazing Saddles.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:06 AM
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19. Other: Just shoot me.
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