I have thrown away my "Texas" coffee mug

[cleveramerican]

I am fan of cowboys.
I like cowboy movies and cowboy music and the whole cowboy mystique.

Yesterday on the job site somebody there told me they thought I must be a W supporter because of my "Texas" travel mug.

I have thrown it away because I certainly don't want to be sending that message.

I am in mourning cause I liked the mug. It was a father's day gift from my daughter several years ago.

IS TEXAS INEXTRICABLY LINKED TO W FOR ALL TIME NOW?

[Vickers]

1. Idiot George is not a Texan.

Hope this helps.

:P

[Javaman]

18. exactly, he's a wasp from ct. nt

[Jennicut]

29. True, he is from my state. He tries to pretend he is a cowboy.

[TexasObserver]

56. Bush is SCARED of cows and horses. Terrified of them.

That's why you'll never see them at his "ranch." This guy never even talked with that ridiculous accent he fakes until after he was president.

The main difference between a cowboy and George Bush is that a cowboy has the shit on the outside of his boots, not the inside.

I don't blame Connecticut any more than I blame Midland, Texas, where he met his future wife, Laura "the Killer" Bush.

[TahitiNut]

20. That dog don't hunt. When they elected him governor over Ann Richards they owned him.

Every state has assholes ... and Texas has more per capita than most.

[TexasObserver]

32. Why do you make offensive posts like that one? It's against the rules here.

Stop bashing Texas. It's a state. It's ten percent of the US population.

California produced Reagan. Do you despise it?

New York produce Rudy Ghouliani. Do you despise it?

Blaming a state for the politicians it produces is stupid, and I wish you'd stop doing it.

[TahitiNut]

40. I guess Texans are bad at arithmetic, too.

The population of Texas in the 2000 Census was 22,118,509, or 7.6% of the population of the U.S. which was 290,809,777. Guess what? 7.6% is NOT equal to "ten percent."

I've lived in Texas, Michigan, Alabama, New York, California, Connecticut, and Washington. I've traveled to every state in the U.S. - some, of course, more than others. I speak from personal experience and from a knowledge of the statistics regarding education, taxation, and other social factors.

[TexasObserver]

44. Fine. I'll put you on IGNORE then.

good bye

I don't read the posts of the chronically ignorant, stupid or prejudiced, and you seem to be all three.

[TahitiNut]

50. Good. I'll consider it an Honor Roll.

:party:

[Ishoutandscream2]

52. You know what, I have alway liked you and your posts in the past

But that is way beyond the pale. Very, very mean spirited and bigoted.

[TahitiNut]

53. Really? Well, in my opinion, ANY state where more folks voted for Bush than Kerry ...

... in 2004 as compared to the national average is, de facto, a state that has more assholes per capita than most. Texas qualifies.

Q.E.D.

:shrug: Clearly, conservatives and idiots might disagree.

Maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension? To say that there are "more assholes per capita than most" is NOT to say that ALL are assholes. There's no broad-brush and no besmirching of non-assholes. It's merely an observation based on FACTS.

In 1994, Texas elected George W. Bush over Ann Richards by a margin of 7% (53% to 46%). To then deny state "ownership" of the pathological narcissist after an election that, by any measure, would be called a "landslide" is an exercise in baseless, delusional denialism.

[Ishoutandscream2]

57. As you say, it's your opinion

And I have some very strong ones myself. But I know that if that opinion may offend someone in my general vicinity, then I try to restrain myself. Like I said, that (imo) went too far. And I doubt you would say such a thing like that to folks in person. It just doesn't sound like you, that's all.

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[Vickers]

63. Wow, I usually dig your posts, but that one certainly could've been

worded a little more diplomatically.

I'm from Florida...I hardly "own" jackasses like Jeb "No Texas Accent!" Bush.

[Citizen_Penn]

66. On behalf of Texas Democrats, may I

invite you to KISS MY BIG BLUE BUTT!

[Citizen_Penn]

70. BULLSHIT!

I am a Texas, born, bred, and raised in the great Lone Star State.

And, George W Bush is as Texan as I am.

I do not like his politics or his beliefs. But I will support his right to be a Texan with my dying breath.

You see, it matters to us, this being Texan - and I will not allow you to say he's not one.

If he's lived the majority of his life here, and he calls it home - he's one of us.

[TahitiNut]

71. You seem to be kissing your own "big blue butt," now.

Insane much? :eyes:

Yes ... he IS a Texan ... AND an American .. and a shame and embarrassment to all who share that political identity. As an American, I'm appalled at OUR cowardice and corruption that's allowed the gross criminality done IN OUR NAME.

It's delusional to hide behind CHILDISH denialism. WE own him and he's OUR problem. The fact we've not properly, morally, and responsibly dealt with these WAR CRIMNALS and MURDERERS is a condemnation of ALL of us.

If rats are nesting and feeding on my neighbor's property, it'd be INSANE of me to NOT point it out to him (and offer assistance where I could). Likewise, it's INSANE to patronize the denialists who attempt to hide in some delusion that the political processes in their 'yard' are spawning such plague-ridden rats.

I was born and reared in Michigan but spent the bare majority of my life living all all over the US in other states. Me and my family's involvement in the State of Michigan has been overwhelmingly in support of liberals and organized labor - my uncle was on Soapy Williams' staff and my family were friends of Walther Reuther and his family. At the same time, it's with SHAME that I acknowledge this state spawned the likes of Engler and Abraham and that my Congresscritter is Joe Knollenberg - a complete facist fuck!

[Vickers]

77. Whatever, dude.

I don't welcome carpetbaggers to MY state.

(FTR, I have spent a considerable amount of time in Texas, both in the military and in the private sector, and I like the place. That doesn't mean I *claim* it.)

[marshall]

2. Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and think of LBJ

He hails from Texas too.

[Captain Hilts]

3. No, Texas is my buddy, Francine, Ann Richards, Molly Ivins, good beer, etc.

People think I support McCain because I wear a USNA or Navy ballcap. It's important that 'they' realize this is not so.

[billyoc]

4. Maybe you can crazy glue it back together.

[babylonsister]

5. The dim one is from CT, not TX.

I live in TX but I'm from NY and love my Giants mugs and t-shirts.

[Magrittes Pipe]

6. You threw away a Father's Day gift from your child because someone made a crack?

I don't know you, but you kinda sound like an ingrate bastard.

[cleveramerican]

7. from several years ago

I am sure my daughter has completely forgotten it was a fathers day gift, but i haven't.

[Morning Dew]

10. daughters don't forget those things.

Can you still retrieve it?

[cleveramerican]

13. yes its still under the seat in the truck

[Morning Dew]

17. well, wash it up and use it proudly!

[Jamastiene]

62. Dude, save it.

Even if you decide not to use it in public any more, you can use it at home and not throw it away. That would solve the problem without trashing your daughter's feelings.

[Dreamer Tatum]

15. Well, there's your problem. YOU remember the gift, but you tossed it?

All because someone far less close to you said something that wasn't even true?

That's just silly.

[pnutbutr]

8. not trying

to be mean but you allowed someone elses perception of you influence you to the point that you discarded a gift from your daughter?

[cleveramerican]

12. yes

I suppose that is true.

Perceptions become reality.

[Burma Jones]

9. All I can say is.....Willie Nelson

And The Chimp is thoroughly a product of New England inbreeding........

[Dora]

11. Wow.

The only message you sent by throwing that cup away is that you're reactionary and insecure.

Be proud of who you are and of your values. Don't let others define you with their ill-conceived notions.

[codjh9]

14. I agree w/some of the other posters about the good things in TX, but as a native

Texan who has also lived in NM & CO, I can say I ain't been very proud about Tx for about half of my life now. As I put it while living in the awful D/FW area (and I know some of this doesn't apply to the whole state), 'Other than being too hot, flat, crowded, polluted and conservative, it's PERFECT'. :^)

[slackmaster]

16. Did you attend a church that practiced auto-flagellation as a child?

Or are you just a bit preoccupied with what other people think?

[EstimatedProphet]

19. Wouldn't it have been better to say "No, I like REAL Texans"?

[LeftinOH]

21. Thats kinda silly...go get it out of the trash -if it isn't too late...n/t

[El Pinko]

22. Unlike George Bush, I was born and raised in Texas...

... but sadly, much of the state is now hopelessly right-wing.

I'm very grateful and proud to live in the sunny corner of the state that is in another time zone, and closer to Los Angeles than it is to Houston.

El Paso is a warm, friendly pocket of blue in a sea of red. And you can't beat the Mexican food!

[tammywammy]

23. Please tell me this isn't serious

You threw away a freaking Father's Day present because of some idiot making a comment to you?

That's just silly.

[cleveramerican]

24. it was a fairly close co-worker

who said he had thought this for some time.

I'm all buisness at work and seldom discuss politics even with those I work closely with.

[tammywammy]

73. Then that's when you say

"No, personally I'm not a fan of George W Bush, my daughter gave this to me for Father's Day." End of conversation.

I hope you didn't really throw away that coffee mug. My dad still uses mugs I've given him 20 years ago, and it would hurt my feeling still if he just threw it away because of some person's stupid comment.

[guitar man]

25. W isn't Texas

There's a lot of good about Texas that W will never be able to taint no matter how hard he tries. My late father was a Texan, a true Texan from his hat down to his boots. I saved this email that he sent to *W and copied me on,maybe it will help with a little perspective.

To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: WHY????


Mr. President, I cannot understand why you persist in taking away from those
of us who have the least in this life. We working types have only one way to
make enough money to have anything extra in life and that is to learn a
skill or trade, join a union and participate in collective bargaining in
order to make the most we can out of our lot in life. Not everyone can sit
in an office and prop our feet up on a desk and figure out how to get rich
on the backs of those people out there doing the work without breaking a
sweat ourselves. And most of the people like me love to actually do hard
work and are satisfied at the end of the day with what we have produced as
well as being proud of it.

But I think you should take a little time to think about who it is that
really makes this world go 'round. Then perhaps you will stop trying to
destroy the only medium available to us to bargain for our share of the pie.
And stop trying to force us back into the age where we were standing outside
the gate waiting for someone to die or get fired in order to make a vacancy
so we could get a job at any price. It was pitiful back then and it is more
pitiful today.

Although I am retired on a Teamster pension and Social Security, I have
children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren who need a place in life
where they can also make a decent living. Too bad you never had to stand in
our boots. Perhaps you could better understand how detrimental what you are
doing really is.

Sincerely, J M, a native born Texan

[Sheets of Easter]

26. That wasn't very clever.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Clarify...

augment the mug with a lovely Obama sticker.

[cleveramerican]

28. Now thats some good advice!!!

thanks for that.

[hamsterjill]

30. Trust me!

As a native born Texan, please trust me when I say that simply living in Texas does not make one a Texan.

And George Bush ain't (that's right, I said "ain't) a real Texan!

Being a Texan is more than simple geography. Being a Texan involves an unspoken honor code of helping those less fortunate than yourself, it involves big hearts and open minds, and it involves integrity and compassion.

Naw (that's right, I said "naw"), George Bush ain't a Texan. And many people who move into this state and live here aren't real Texans, either. They read a history book, move down here and THINK they are a Texan, but those of us who are the real thing know better. And seeing those imposters call themselves Texans makes us real Texans very sad.

Now...I'm sure this same situation is true for many of the other states, so I don't mean to monopolize the concept, but keep your Texas mug and display it proudly. And when they ask you if it reminds you of "W", why don't you just say, "naw" (yeah, you can say "naw" if you want to) - - - this mug reminds me of Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, the Alamo, the University of Texas, etc., some good barbecue and Mexican food, some good beer and some good friends, but no it doesn't remind me of that dipstick.

[TexasObserver]

31. That'll teach your daughter to buy you a coffee cup.

I'm a Texan. I don't know what you are, but if you're blaming Texas for George Bush, you're blaming the wrong people. Blame the Supreme Court. Blame the complicit media. Blame every person who voted for him.

[cleveramerican]

34. I am not a Texan

I have never been to Texas
Texas in my mind has always been linked to cowboys, home on the range and all that that entails.
I was fairly stunned to find that to some, Texas means W period.
I was fairly stunned to find that some would assume that because I used a Texas mug, I must be a W supporter.

[TexasObserver]

45. People who blame Texans for Bush are called ignorant.

[cleveramerican]

51. its not about blame

its about the automatic associations people make.
Up until yesterday if you said "Texas", I'd think "cowboys"
yesterday I realized for loads of people you say"Texas" they think "W"


as for blame there's enough to go around, and everybody gets some.Even democrats who went along with him.

[Dover]

35. And really....WHO could have anticipated just how bad it would be.

We were all much more innocent then.

[TexasObserver]

46. Gore got more votes and had the election stolen.

So blaming Texans would like like blaming California for Reagan or New York for Guiliani. It's stupid and that's why people who are stupid say it.

[Dover]

33. The NEW and improved Texas 'Mug Shot'

Tell your coworkers there's a new sheriff in town.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Sounds Like Someone Needs To Grow Up A Little.

Throwing away a father's day mug because one person thought it meant you were a W supporter? How weak, childish and pathetic.

[cleveramerican]

37. don't we all

it was more than one person, it was the general perception.
which is why it bothers me so.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Oh Grow Up And Get A Grip. n/t

[cleveramerican]

39. sounds like somebody should switch to de-caf

not trying to get you all worked up about it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. Someone Recognizing Your Childishness And Stupidity Does Not Mean They Are Worked Up.

It just means that they are observant.

So again: Get a grip.

[cleveramerican]

43. your kindness and courtesy are touching

you have such good manners, your mother must be proud.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. She's Proud Enough To Not Throw Away A Mother's Day Gift I Got Her.

She isn't that absolutely moronic and childish either.

[bahrbearian]

78. I think you hit a nerve.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Boy oh boy.

You sure showed Texas.

[sun in sadge]

55. LOL

That's all I have. It was funny.

[Sanctified]

47. Well good thing the mug did not say, "World's Greatest Dad".

The mug was a father's day gift, if you throw shit away that your daughter gave you because of the ignorance of others I don't even know what say.

[torbird]

49. Would you...

Would you like a sticker that says "Texas: America's Death Camp"?

[The Stranger]

54. The ignorance here is astonishing.

The Bushes are not the only (and weren't the first) President from Texas, and, as someone else pointed out, they're actually from Connecticut.

(And here I was thinking I was on Democratic Underground.)

[TexasObserver]

58. The bigotry evidenced and tolerated here is astonishing, too.

Can you imagine a similar thread lambasting blacks, or gays, or women here? Of course not. It wouldn't be allowed, as well it shouldn't.

Can you imagine a similar thread about California, because of Ronald Reagan, or New York, because of Rudy Guiliani?

[cleveramerican]

59. I see no bigotry, no lambasting of anyone

You are too sensitive
its about the automatic associations people make, rightly or wrongly, Texas is linked in peoples minds with W.
I never realized until yesterday how strong and widespread that association is.

[TexasObserver]

60. None so blind as those who will not see.

I'm not being too sensitive. I'm being rational. You're being absurd. You caved into criticism and evidenced cowardice in doing so.

[The Stranger]

61. Not sure about bigotry, but Texas was the birthplace and home of none other than LBJ.

(oh, and Ike was born there, but soon left thereafter.)

[StarryNite]

64. I sympathize with you.

I live in Arizona and I'm already concerned that if McAsshole winds up president then people will have the same loathing for my state.

[XemaSab]

65. Here's why a good liberal should LOVE Texas!

Texas is the state of Molly Ivins and Ann Richardson.

Texas has counties in it that are more solidly BLUE than San Francisco.

Texas is the winter home of the Whooping Crane, and a birding Mecca.

Three million Texans voted for Kerry in 2004.

Texas has some of the BEST Mexican food you've ever had.

Some of my best friends are Texans.

Texas combines beautiful beaches, rolling rangeland, fertile farmland, interesting scrubland, and delicious margaritas.

I am the PROUD owner of a "Don't Mess With Texas" shot glass, and I may just have to go fill it.

:patriot:

[Citizen_Penn]

67. Some of the best Mexican food?

Only some.

Hell, we rock the planet down here.

Wrap your minds around the concept of living in a land full of DeLays, Bushes, and Perrys - and still having a sense of humor!

And don't forget the Dixie Chicks are Texans, too.

Yes, we rock it.

[XemaSab]

69. I had better Mexican food in a week in Texas

than I have in an average YEAR in California. :9

[kimmerspixelated]

72. As a native Texan displaced for the time being,

I can vouch for everything you've listed with glee!
I actually know very few rethugs from Tejas.
Also, some of the most wonderful folks in the world reside in the lone star state!
I left my heart there!

Thanks for posting this.

[Citizen_Penn]

68. Here is a short list of people from Texas who changed the

world. - for the better

Sam Houston - the only sitting governor to OPPOSE secession from the Union. Yeah, the people of Texas fired him for it - but he did it anyway

Barbara Jordan - the voice of reason and responsiblity during the Nixon/Watergate era.

Ann Richards

Lloyd Bentsen

Lyndon Johnson, and his beautiful wife, Lady Bird

Jim Hightower

Molly Ivins

Dan Rather

Bill Moyers

Sissy Farenthold

NOW GO GET THAT DAMN CUP OUTTA THE TRUCK - AND USE IT PROUDLY!

[Hardrada]

79. Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz

[TahitiNut]

76. The Detroit Tigers (a poor team) are beating the Texas Nose-Drillers 16-to-1 in the 6th inning.

... at Kay Bailey-Hutchison & Phil Gramm Stadium.

:rofl: