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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:08 PM
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Any DU'rs have money market funds? Did you get rid of them today?
We are retired and have most of our savings in them.

'Just don't know what to do. Sit tight and wait for them to come back up or bail out but to what? Savings account?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:09 PM
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1. We have 'em...
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 05:10 PM by CaliforniaPeggy
And we're sitting tight.

Merrill Lynch, no less.

*sigh*

ETA: We're retired too...
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:13 PM
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8. So far we are too. T Rowe Price Summit Reserve and Fidelity Prime Reserve.
Isn't it terrible to see your nest egg dwindling away?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:10 PM
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2. I have no idea what the hell I'm going to do with mine.
I live in the UK right now. I'm thinking of moving it over here. The exchange rate is favorable for the first time in a long while.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:11 PM
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3. I believe it depends on the fund
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:11 PM
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4. Money market funds
Are generally stable priced. Have there been actual decreases in value to money market funds????
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 06:37 PM
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23. actually this just ocurred today-very rare
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:11 PM
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5. Can you clarify?
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 05:13 PM by Xipe Totec
My understanding is that MM funds are like savings; they draw interest. They don't fluctuate in value.

(on edit: my MM funds are the only ones that are in the black; everything else is blood red)
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:11 PM
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6. i'm worried about our 401k.
it's in a stable value fund with fidelity.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:17 PM
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12. Worried here too...
My husband's company sold out to Hewlett Packard. A whole new ball game regarding his 401k. Today, he comes home and tells me they are letting go of at least 25,000 employees in the next few months.

Scary times ahead.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:11 PM
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7. Yes, with TIAA-CREF
Good fund, no monkey business. I'll leave it there.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:15 PM
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9. Thomm Hartman just said he got rid of his yesterday and I heard a financial
guru on the radio say his firm got out of them yesterday, also. I just don't know what to think.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:16 PM
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10. Money market funds or mutual funds?
Big difference.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:17 PM
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11. See where they're invested
I think it depends how much they're invested in the financial sector. Call whoever handles it, look it up online. You may have one that's all in oil or alternative energy and the like.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:23 PM
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15. Thanks so much for the great advice. I think we'll sit tight.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:27 PM
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16. CNBC Article on Money Markets
Here's some really good advice in this article. Please do not just sit tight until you have thoroughly investigated where your money is. I am so angry at all these people who are saying "don't panic", when what people need to do is protect themselves. They're the same ones who will say "you should have protected yourself" a week from now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4023655
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:30 PM
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17. Pray for few investments in Brazilian energy stocks.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:39 PM
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18. Good advice.
I use a CFA (she's worth every penny -- don't have a lot and she doesn't charge me a lot for what she does!). I had zero subprime/financial sector exposure EXCEPT for my money market fund -- she pulled me out of that months ago. Just check to see what the funds investments are as sandnsea advised.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:20 PM
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13. I have money sitting with Vanguard
I am not moving the money. If Vanguard goes down my local banks probably won't be doing any better.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:20 PM
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14. Yes, No.
I have some money with Fidelity, they have modest exposures, fractions of a percent, according to them. You could do well in money markets these days too, cash is king, very short term rates are astounding. Eventually that interest will wind up with you. The main problem is that unless you want to buy Krugerrands and put them in a sock under the bed, there is no place to go that's much better. You DO need to pay attention to who you have the accounts with. It they have substantial exposures to the fancy financial crap that is cratering right now, you might consider whether to move it. If the sums involved are modest, you might be a bit safer with FDIC insured accounts, some CDs or saving accounts, but there are no guarantees, whatever you do.

Pending information about who you are with, I would sit tight.

IMHO.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:46 PM
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19. This morning I moved my son's money market college savings to Treasuries....
I told the broker "I don't care about the rate, get me out of money markets for the next six months".

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 05:47 PM
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20. We're keeping ours where it is. Not doing anything at this point n/t
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 06:29 PM
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21. A large money market halted redemptions yesterday. Is your MM FDIC insured?? Are you sure??
Look, I love you guys, even though I am new here, so permit me to be harsh with you.

EVERY investment vehicle has exposure. EVERY ONE. I completely understand confusion and a lack of in depth knowledge as a reason to "stand pat", but as a professional IN THIS BUSINESS, you guys are risking your futures and retirements in a game the big boys are seriously balking at. I can't put it any more clearly than this. When this is over, every home, IRA, Money Market, and US dollar will be worth 20% of what it is today. Available working capital, the true reason for a credit based system, has evaporated. Business and the public sector is 100% tapped out, has no credit from which to draw, and will NEVER be recapitalized in ways most laymen will understand.

Total Debt to GDP ratio running at 360%, (more like 380% after all the recent idiocy) and that deleveraging process will absorb your money, our money, all of it. There will be no more overseas loans of any stature. Why do you think the FED and Treasury are bailing out the banks and not Soverign wealth funds?? The funds got hooked by our banks last spring, and between the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) and the IMF, we have been told NO CASH. But they will buy the EQUITIES of the US in the form of bonds, that the Treasury sells to cover their debts AFTER they bail everybody out. Get it yet?? If a Sovereign invests directly into the market, there is risk to the capital either through loss or dilution (well, they actually have ratchet clauses but I digress). If the .gov bails them out, then the new T-bills and US Bonds are backed by a little piece of country. They also want those bonds back here so they can implode on shore, and not effect emerging markets. Read emerging markets to mean "non-aging populous, high gross ratio of total debt/natural resource value.

5% of Total Money, or the no longer published M3, was physical cash, dollars and coin. If M3 is as high as I think it is NOW, that number has dwindled to about 3.7%. It cost ACTUAL money to print dollars, and cost nothing to increase electronic money as credit. Guess which one gets a boost??

This is why they are attempting to calm and quash rumor, because in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, and in the land of debit, the man with a grand can buy a house.

If the deflation don't get ya, hyperinflation will. We exist on a knife edge right now, as evidenced by the wishy washy "bail or not to bail" headlines, because they have no idea what to do.

I kind of laugh at the "NO F*&^% BAILOUTS" crowd of both parties, as if they got their wish, you would see a level of poverty and renewed totalitarianism unlike anything we have ever seen, short of maybe Pol Pot or Pinochet. At this point, conventional wisdom says a good ol war oughta do the trick, and as Russia is having they're fair share of issues, will probably oblige.

Back to topic. The only thing that is sure, is to get a good chunk of that little bit of cash home. DO NOT put it in a safe deposit box at a bank. Custodial accounts were the first to be "nationalized" by FDR, and no matter how you feel about him now, he ate up a lot of capital and regular people's savings and in doing so literally wiped out many who thought they had "safe" investments, in gold.

Desperate times and desperate measures and all that.



From the FDIC site:

http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn.html

"So - you feel your cash is safe and protected when you walk through the door of the bank or saving association, much safer than when you kept it under your mattress. And you should. BUT, are your funds all covered by FDIC insurance just because you walked into a secure-looking building with iron bars and guards? Not necessarily - it depends on which of the bank's products you decide to use and whether the bank is FDIC insured."
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 06:30 PM
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22. yes we have them and no we didn't get rid of them or any stocks today either.
hanging on for the ride.
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