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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:00 PM
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But I just want to work in peace...

You’ll likely find this thread more personal than political, but I’m about half insane from this constant pounding I’m taking and I just need to connect and find out how others might handle this.

I am alas the only liberal in an office of conservatives. That’s liberal, not necessarily Democrat. Like many liberals, I am disappointed in the current conservative Democratic “leadership” and I’m not their biggest cheerleader. At work I do not preach my politics, I don’t ram it down other’s throats, I seldom if ever articulate an idea. I’d be preaching to The Lost, what would be the point? Now, none of these conservative co-worker’s politics personally bother me as such, they can think what they like. Kind of the way I think they’re idiots for it. The problem is a handful of them are exceedingly vocal, and a great deal less concerned with accuracy than personal rancor. Every day these guys are right outside my work area just banging away on Barach Obama (which is of course the ONLY thing the Republicans seem to be able to talk about this election). Whatever disgusting stupid thing their favorite FOX talking dummy whipped out last night, they’re in here wearing it to the ground the next morning without fail. I’m no angel, I’m not Obama’s biggest fan, but if I were to criticize the man, or anyone else, I would make some effort to have that criticism based in reality. What I have to listen to all day is more along the lines of, “Barack Obama is just a big doody pants Muslim. Boy, that Sarah Palin sure put him back in his place at the convention! I laughed my ass off. He’ll raise your taxes!”

I have to work here. You can only roll your eyes so much before it gives you a migraine.

It’s important to me that you understand I am close to losing my job behind this, and I neither instigate nor participate in these discussions. Ever. Sure, I could obliterate many of their arguments with easily demonstrable facts, but these people reside in an alternative reality where substantiating evidence and truth are unknown. It would only make matters worse to step in this slime. Like my Grannie always told me, if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Here’s the cherry on top of this s**t sundae. In my desperation, I posted a completely apolitical version of these events on the “All In a Day’s Work” page on Etiquette-Hell.com (i.e. I’m the only Purple Party supporter in a Yellow Party office). There was absolutely nothing on this thread to indicate the political affiliation of either myself or my tormentors. And even if something slipped through, so what? It wasn’t ABOUT politics, it’s about ignorant, inconsiderate verbal diarrhea created a hostile workplace. The ETIQUETTE people at Etiquette-Hell.com banned me for 14 days for posting political threads! My friends on that board have helped me through a number of uncomfortable office situations in the past, when the moderators slammed that door in my face I could have cried.

I don’t know what to do. Why should I be driven from my job, in this miserable economy where I can hardly be assured of finding another, over some obnoxious conversations I am not even participating in? We haven’t an HR department to consult with (modern corporate structures typically run stripped to the bones these days you know), I haven’t a sympathetic ear in the office. There's no one here from my planet. What’s a girl to do??

How might I politely convince these people that their constant inappropriate discussion in the workplace severely undermines by ability to continue respecting them in a professional manner? Do any of you have to deal with this? Do you just ignore it? Do you argue back? What do you say?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:08 PM
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1. put out some resumes although in Dallas you're surrounded by pinheads
I know, I live in the oil patch too

:hug:
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:51 PM
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2. Sounds like a hostile work environment to me.
THose discussions should not be on the office floor. I'd go to HR.
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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:54 PM
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3. Please refer to OP
We haven't an HR department, as I indicated in my Original Post.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:04 PM
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5. Apologies. I read that too quickly. Need to be more alert.

That is a pickle.

It's a bad time to start looking for jobs, so if it were me, that would be the last of choices. What about your 1:1s (assuming you have them). Could you mention to your mgr/boss that controversial topics are interfering with productivity? Can it be framed in such a way that such topics are not appropriate because they do, in fact, create disruptions in production?

Sorry, I don't have an answer, or even any decent ideas. I did have to go through something like this before. My solution: put on headphones and listen to Air America all day.

Best wishes to you. It aint easy.
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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:21 PM
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9. I'm sorry, I was just rude
I don't like the way my response to you sounded, and you were only trying to be helpful. Shows you what this stress is doing to me, it's turning me as rude as they are!
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:29 PM
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10. I should have read it more carefully. My fault completely!
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 02:29 PM by Union Thug
And I didn't think you were being rude.

Bottom line is that I can relate but I feel pretty useless. I don't know what else you can do in this work environement. If you don't have the support of your mgr, then it can seem pretty dire.

I get offers for contract jobs every week or so, but there is no way I'll leave my FTE job, no matter how bad it gets. The economy is only going to get worse, after all. It would be stupid to leave. So even in situations where I'm surrounded by freeper idiots (there are a lot in the tech sector - they all believe that they will be the next bill gates), I try to block it all out any way I can.

I'm lucky. The team I'm on now is mostly very professional in their conversations, and we do have a strong HR dept. But on my previous two teams, it was similar to what you describe. So my heart goes out to you.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:03 PM
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4. Are you a cube rat?
Are these coworkers loitering in your area having these discussions, or are they doing it from their own desks?

IOW can you ask them to shove off or pipe down because they're distracting you from your work? Do you feel safe going to a supervisor and making a general complaint about constant chit-chat?

If none of these things is possible, is your job one where you could get away with wearing earplugs (aka bullshit deflectors)? There are some very good ones now. You'd still hear the phone ring and could then remove one earplug to answer it if that's in your job description, otherwise the constant voices around you would be muted to indistinguishable background noise.

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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:11 PM
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8. Yes, cube rat here
I wouldn't care if they wanted to have these offensive-fests in, say, the lunch room, because no one really HAS to be there. I could turn around and leave.

They have these stupid conversations right in the middle of the office pit, deliberately loud as they are, typically neo-con, trying to force their opinion down everyone's throat. "Look how loud and confident I am, if you don't think what I do, you're an idiot." You know.

My manager, unfortunately, would be on their side. He edits the most offensively yeah-war pro-neo-con employee newsletter in the world, my copies go directly in the trash.

I appreciate you visiting with me. Thanks for your suggestions.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:36 PM
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11. That office pit sounds more like a snake pit
I wish I had better suggestions to offer. But I would like to commend you. In your place, I'd have either been fired or walked out by now, and probably homeless as a result. You've got some real tenacity!

Are you single, or is there a spouse and/or children at home? If single, seriously consider walking. There are other places to live and find work than Dallas. I did this once, admittedly under better economic conditions, but still struggled for it. However, my financial problems were a breeze compared to the crushing weight that was lifted off my shoulders the day I packed up and walked off that job.

Keep in mind the kind of stress you're under wreaks silent havoc on a person, physically and mentally. If you can find any exit at all, take it.
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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:55 PM
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12. More like a septic tank
I am a widow. I have two children, 16 and 27, youngest still at home. Since I lost my husband in 1994, my brother lives with us and although he is employed, he is under-employed and somewhat economically dependent on us (we're glad to have a man in the house, that's no problem at all). In any event, you see my home situation is rather rooted. If it were just me, I can think a lot of places I'd rather live than Dallas, but I'm out-voted on that. It's our hometown and there is other family here.

I'm also disabled (osteo-arthritis); the stress of this job is adversely affecting my health.

To tell you the truth, my plan at present is simply to see the outcome of the election in November. If the neo-turds don't just flat out STEAL it again, and we get some new leadership, perhaps the economy will improve and then I will have a better possibility of finding a better job.

How's that for the American Dream?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:01 PM
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14. Hoping the next election isn't stolen = the American Dream
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 03:02 PM by magellan
Yes, that's basically what we've been reduced to.

I'm so sorry for your situation. Wish I worked with you, at least I could lend some moral support. Or keep you laughing. When I still worked outside the home, I was something of a class clown in the office. I love seeing people smile.

Keep this virtual hug close to you and know you aren't alone! :hug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:10 PM
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6. I'm sorry you're caught in such a pinch!
This atmosphere of hate that has been created by these RW monsters is literally killing us... the stress is ruining us physically and emotionally.

It doesn't help you to know that what you're dealing with is so historical.... it's what blacks and other minorities have faced and still often do; it's what Jews have faced and still often do; it's what women have faced and still often do; it's what poor and especially homeless people are dealing with all the time.

That's not any consolation.... it's just the ugly facts of this ugly Nation.

I wish you well.... that really sux.

I hope that being able to vent it here helps somewhat.

:pals:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:11 PM
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7. To bad you're in Texas. Other states have agencies to which a complaint might help.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 02:12 PM by TahitiNut
No person should be subjected to a hostile work environment ... it has an impact on health AND personal finances. If you were to see a doctor for stress medications, it'd help establish a case against the employer and (at least in other states) result in a high probability of enforcement action. I'm just not impressed with the 'dedication' of Texas state government in supporting worker's rights. California and New York are FAR better.


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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:59 PM
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13. Discrimination, workplace bullying, no recourse...
Sounds like a lawsuit to me. I'd get a free consultation.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:08 PM
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15. Just want to let you know that you're not alone in your Texas hell. I have
often complained about having to endure as a tiny oasis in a gigantic porta-potty. I feel for you.
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