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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:57 AM
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Is Pelosi walking the Democratic Party into another Rovian bitchslap?
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 02:22 AM by backscatter712
Certainly sounds like it so far.

Before you hit that alert button because I used the word "bitchslap", you might want to read this:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003295.php


There is a meta-debate going on here, one that I'm not sure even the practitioners fully articulate to themselves and one that I'm painfully aware the victims don't fully understand.

Let's call it the Republicans' Bitch-Slap theory of electoral politics.

It goes something like this.

On one level, of course, the aim behind these attacks is to cast suspicion upon Kerry's military service record and label him a liar. But that's only part of what's going on.

Consider for a moment what the big game is here. This is a battle between two candidates to demonstrate toughness on national security. Toughness is a unitary quality, really -- a personal, characterological quality rather than one rooted in policy or divisible in any real way. So both sides are trying to prove to undecided voters either that they're tougher than the other guy or at least tough enough for the job.

In a post-9/11 environment, obviously, this question of strength, toughness or resolve is particularly salient. That, of course, is why so much of this debate is about war and military service in the first place.

One way -- perhaps the best way -- to demonstrate someone's lack of toughness or strength is to attack them and show they are either unwilling or unable to defend themselves -- thus the rough slang I used above. And that I think is a big part of what is happening here. Someone who can't or won't defend themselves certainly isn't someone you can depend upon to defend you.

Demonstrating Kerry's unwillingness to defend himself (if Bush can do that) is a far more tangible sign of what he's made of than wartime experiences of thirty years ago.

Hitting someone and not having them hit back hurts the morale of that person's supporters, buoys the confidence of your own backers (particularly if many tend toward an authoritarian mindset) and tends to make the person who's receiving the hits into an object of contempt (even if also possibly also one of sympathy) in the eyes of the uncommitted.


You'd think that after we got this treatment, repeatedly, Pelosi would have learned.

Oh, that assumes she's on our side. She only pretends to be on our side. She makes a few good speeches, pretends to push back for a little bit (weakly, of course - she'll armtwist anyone in the House who ramps up the rhetoric enough to actually be effective,) then armtwists everyone she can get to do a 1...2...3...CAVE!!! We've been bitchslapped! We saw it on FISA. We saw it on Kyl-Lieberman. We saw it on Iraq war budget wrangling. It's all carefully choreographed.

The only proper response to a bitchslap is an immediate retaliatory right hook, but that part's never forthcoming. Once the cave happens, we become the party of Alan Colmes. Obama knows how to deal with the bitchslapping from the McCain campaign - he counterattacked with a flurry of attack ads, a series of high-profile events where he attacked and ridiculed McCain mercilessly, and he pressed the attack, and now we're rocketing ahead in the polls. I'll bet Nancy's just waiting for the right moment to undermine all this work.

I'll bet she's timing this so the 1...2...3...CAVE!!! happens right before the election. She, and the Bushies know exactly what will happen - Democratic polls across the board, especially Obama's will drop like a rock because everyone will perceive us to be a bunch of wimps.

That's the perception they're trying to create - the party that is endlessly bitchslapped.

Pelosi is more richly rewarded by the lobbyists and corporatists by pretending to be the loyal, but ineffectual opposition, than by actually working to bring us to real power.

She's as bad as fucking Lieberman.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:04 AM
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1. If she attached to the bailout a repeal of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, then I would believe she is sincere

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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:06 AM
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2. IMO..Nancy's one of "them"..she should be investigated.
She doesn't do anything we want her to do.

Her husband Paul was on the Bohemian Grove 2008 Guest List.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:09 AM
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3. "Is Pelosi walking the Democratic Party into another Rovian bitchslap?"
I think she did that long ago.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:49 AM
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5. And she's doing it again.
She's got the routine down pat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:18 AM
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:36 AM
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7. and you support Sheehan for Congress?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:37 AM
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8. I am after all a Democrat,
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 03:38 AM by backscatter712
but it would be nice if our elected Democratic officials actually acted like Democrats once in a while.

Shehann would have had better luck if she primary-challenged Pelosi as a Democrat. Now she's stuck on the fringe, and we're stuck with an Alan Colmes "Democrat" as Speaker of the House.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:49 AM
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10. Pelosi has acted like a Democrat
take a look at the rest of them in Congress

just because they don't march in lockstep with your purists, you attack them

get off your ass and run for Congress if you don't like what they're doing!

fucking arm chair generals
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:35 AM
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6. she's bad as Lieberman?
where the hell do you get this crap?

go back to your bridge
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:42 AM
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9. Pelosi = Useless Piece of Shit
There's really no difference between the two... I'm sick of the whole fucking gang of thieves, liars and complicit enablers... they make me physically ill...

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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:35 AM
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11. Impeachment is not on the table
'cause it might make Him mad
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