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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:03 AM
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"NO DEAL"-Repubs Already Lining Up To Allow NO Meaningful Reform Or Taxpayer Protections
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:17 AM by kpete
This is a 3 AM moment. The time to lead is now. We will find out a lot about Barack Obama in the coming days. We already know what John McCain is, an incompetent ideologue. Let's hope that Obama proves himself a leader.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/21/92845/7502

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Treasury needs to explain why this is supposed to work
— not try to panic Congress into giving it a blank check. Otherwise, no deal.


September 20, 2008, 4:46 pm
No deal
Paul Krugman

I hate to say this, but looking at the plan as leaked, I have to say no deal. Not unless Treasury explains, very clearly, why this is supposed to work, other than through having taxpayers pay premium prices for lousy assets.

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The Treasury plan, by contrast, looks like an attempt to restore confidence in the financial system — that is, convince creditors of troubled institutions that everything’s OK — simply by buying assets off these institutions. This will only work if the prices Treasury pays are much higher than current market prices; that, in turn, can only be true either if this is mainly a liquidity problem — which seems doubtful — or if Treasury is going to be paying a huge premium, in effect throwing taxpayers’ money at the financial world.

And there’s no quid pro quo here — nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.

more at:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/no-deal/

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Also, (Josh Marshall) according to the Journal, finance industry lobbyists are already giving orders to Republican hill staffers not to allow any meaningful reforms or protections for taxpayers. So, just the money. No strings attached.

House Republican staffers met with roughly 15 lobbyists Friday afternoon, whose message to lawmakers was clear: Don't load the legislation up with provisions not directly related to the crisis, or regulatory measures the industry has long opposed.

"We're opposed to adding provisions that will affect undermine the deal substantively," said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs at the Financial Services Roundtable, whose members include the nation's largest banks, securities firms and insurers.

A deal killer for the group: a proposal that would grant bankruptcy judges new powers to lower the principal, interest rate or both on a mortgage as part of a bankruptcy proceeding.

more at:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/218444.php

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“Bailout Plan A Historic Swindle”
Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle

By William Greider
September 19, 2008

Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses–many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What’s not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?

If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public–all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims. My advice to Washington politicians: Stop, take a deep breath and examine what you are being told to do by so-called “responsible opinion.” If this deal succeeds, I predict it will become a transforming event in American politics–exposing the deep deformities in our democracy and launching a tidal wave of righteous anger and popular rebellion. As I have been saying for several months, this crisis has the potential to bring down one or both political parties, take your choice.
more at: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/greider


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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:04 AM
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1. Kick!!
:kick:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:06 AM
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2. The key
A deal killer for the group: a proposal that would grant bankruptcy judges new powers to lower the principal, interest rate or both on a mortgage as part of a bankruptcy proceeding.

I am sure that was driven home to the house rethuglicans.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:54 PM
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23. I'm ENRAGED by them
How dare they? (I know how, but seriously) HOW DARE THEY? If corporate lobbyists have more say than we do, then this surely can be defined as a fascist government.

What a surprise that would be!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:08 AM
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3. Watching Paulson on MTP, I'm getting the same vibe
"Trust us" is not an answer. They're trying to fuck us again.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:10 PM
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17. yep, I watched him on 3 different shows this morning and all I came away
with was that you guys are getting screwed big time!
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:09 AM
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4. Step aside or prepare to fight.
We have two choices. I say we fight and insist on the resignations of Bush/Cheney.
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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:11 AM
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5. No! Enough! Nothing in the quaint document, the U.S.
Constitution, says anything about Americans serving at the whim of the pResident. Nothing good here.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:12 AM
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6. K & R !
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:14 AM
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7. Here's Schumers email address: Write now.
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:17 AM by OregonBlue
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:26 AM
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8. Recommend. We are the ones we have been waiting for
and we cannot wait longer.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:30 AM
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9. So how do WE force our "leaders" to do the right thing? You KNOW they're going along with this shit
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:01 AM
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13. Sadly, we are not organized enough to force this to stop
We have to depend on Democrats .. and they have to contend with the usual Republican tricks.

However an email and calling campaign does have some impact and I encourage taking action.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:39 AM
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10. Straight outta Goodfellas
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:39 AM by C_U_L8R
"fuck you, pay me"

right before they burn the place to teh ground
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:41 AM
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11. Did anyone really think W. was gonna leave without the gold?
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:45 AM
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14. Did anyone think W. was gonna leave
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 11:45 AM by dgibby
with or without the gold? Country, meet coup!:grr: :nuke:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:53 AM
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12. An historic swindle.
Ding!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:44 PM
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15. Hey Congressional Democrats!
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are on your side on this one. Expose these evil sons of bitches. It is an election year. This could be your ticket to a filibuster-proof majority. All you've got to do is FIND YOUR FUCKING SPINES!
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:03 PM
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16. That's like asking Chimp to find some Integrity--good luck with that.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:12 PM
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18. I sure as hell hope they find their spine and fast, n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:36 PM
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19. Well, there's your problem, right there.
I hope so, too, but I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the price of a pack of chewing gum on it.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:12 AM
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24. the only thing we have left is hope and that is tethered to a very thin thread. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:39 PM
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20. Send them an email
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:13 AM
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25. great idea! we have a voice and it's imperative we use it! n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:40 PM
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21. So be it. Then we'll wait until after the elections.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:42 PM
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22. how about if we start guillotining the lobbyists first?
blood-sucking parasites.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:45 AM
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26. "No taxation without representation." - Patriotic Americans
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:49 AM
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27. JOIN THE TEA PARTY!
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