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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:55 AM
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Republicans look utterly ashen this morning
I love the smell of GOP meltdown in the morning....

The Republicans who have a brain - George Will, Bill Schneider - look completely gray and subdued today. Their entire governing policy is in tatters, everything they've advocated for a lifetime has been shown to be a complete failure. The no regulations, unfettered free market, tax slashing for the rich crowd know they've driven us straight into a ditch.

The Republican party is going to have to retool itself if it's going to survive. And they have nothing in reserve to offer the American people and they know it.

They aren't even beginning to defend McCain or his banjo-pickin sidekick today.

This is the fall of the Berlin wall for us, the end of the war. But what a shame they took us down with them.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:57 AM
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1. It's like getting a tumor cut out of you.
It's gonna hurt, it's gonna cost a lot, you couldn't afford the insurance, but you are gonna feel better eventually.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:59 AM
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2. yeah maybe
as long as that tumor doesn't have tentacles and is cancerous. Is it? I'm beginning to think so after watching snake tongue Paulson on MTP!

:kick:

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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:20 AM
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21. wow. that was awesome. n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:52 PM
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49. And tumors are often ashen in color. n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:31 AM
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66. maybe we should surgically remove this cancer.
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livelongandprosper Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:01 AM
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3. Bill Schneider is a Republican? What's your source? n/t
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:02 AM
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5. check his bio
He's been a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute - a right-wing think tank.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:17 AM
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17. different guy
iirc



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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:19 AM
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19. nope
From his CNN bio:

He is also a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C., and a contributing editor to the Los Angeles Times, National Journal and The Atlantic Monthly.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/schneider.bill.html
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:25 AM
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24. I was thinking of this Bill Schneider, who was a PNAC'er:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:31 AM
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28. that's right
I think he's been (incorrectly) associated with PNAC. His conservative ties even without that are pretty solid - he's also been hooked up with the Hoover Institute. And he's been lookin' awfully downcast this morning, which normally I'd find hilarious.
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:01 AM
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4. It ain't over til November-Like Vampire Killers we must keep cross,stake,garlic and holy water ready
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:09 AM
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10. Ain't that the truth.
They really are like the zombies who keep rising each time you think you've killed them.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:30 PM
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39. more like a hydra with a zillion heads
keep the axe handy!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:33 AM
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67. I would say cockroaches they remind me of.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:13 AM
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15. And after November, we'll have to keep the pressure on the President and Congress members.
They will soon forget, if we let them get sidetracked by the "sweet nothings" whispered in their ears by right-wing lobbyists.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:18 AM
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18. actually, it ain't over until
January 20, 2009. We can then start airing out the stench in our White House and clearing out the vermin in our Congress. Then we can set our holy tools down and pick our hammers and shovels (keeping our tools close at our sides even after that).
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:27 AM
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26. Reporting for duty!








I am sooooooo in agreement with you -- that it ain't over til November -- that I am on my way out the door to go register voters.

:patriot:
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:43 AM
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33. Thats the spirit!! A whole party of Van Helsings!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:05 AM
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6. Whatever you're seeing on the federal level, don't expect to find in the
lower tiers, where they derive their support. Those of us who live in red counties better brace ourselves, because I expect them to get downright ornery.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:05 AM
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7. the ones with conservative fiscal philosophies might be shaken...
...but I suspect the average republican, whether working class folk in a red state or from the monied leadership in Washington, is more of a fiscal ideologue than a philosopher. Those folks will either be reactionary and entrench their thinking more deeply than ever, or they'll be cynical and see even more opportunity for disaster capitalism.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:07 AM
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8. They deserve every ashen bit of it.
They are greedy freaking monsters and they should be hanging their heads in shame. If they'd even act like they cared about what they've allowed to happen under their emperor I'd probably feel nicer toward them.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:07 AM
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9. George Will
dissed McCain pretty good and was highly skeptical of the bailout.

But then George Will always looks ashen to me.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:32 AM
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29. George Will is scum
When the GOP took over Congress in January of 1995, George Will wrote a column that said the Republicans should put all the money for AIDS and all the money for public broadcasting into the same pot and "then sit back and laugh while the liberals fight over it."

I would pay money for the privilege of leading George Will to the gallows.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:56 AM
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36. don't start a bidding war!
Liberals have better things to fight over than who walks smug George up the steps to greet his public.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:09 AM
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11. Neecy,
even Cokie Roberts got that smug ass look smacked off her face :)
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:12 AM
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14. so true!
I should have added her to the ashen crowd, although I don't credit her with being smart enough to have been part of the GOP economic crowd. She's more of a willing water carrier.

But she did seem awfully quiet (for once) today...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:16 AM
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16. That's amazing.
I thought her plastic surgeon had cast it for permanence.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:23 AM
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23. You're kidding! Wish I'd seen that
My loathing for her may even exceed that which I have towards the other right-wing shills who pass themselves off as "commentators" and "analysts" at NPR in these latter days.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:50 PM
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41. video up here
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:09 AM
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12. The Republican party is going to have to retool itself ... they have nothing in reserve
Well now, they always have racism--Negrophobia, Hispanophobia, Sinophobia,etc . I'm not sure if those are all words but you know what I mean. Plus they haven't even begun to bang the Anti-Semitism drum. They could do that. It's not like they don't know how. Ask any Muslim if the Republicans aren't the best sectarian strife inciters in the western hemisphere. They can hate on the far away Muslims, and they're mostly far, far away, why not also hate on the Jews? If that's not viable for some reason they can continue to demand the crucifixion of every hellbound Godless liberal Secular-Humanist in America. I haven't even mentioned their well known ability to incite hatred and division over homosexuality, but I probably don't need to say anything there. Oh, they're down right now to be sure, but they still have a bunch of tried and true strategies to divide the common people and keep them from taking control of their country's future.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:11 AM
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13. I've been smelling flop sweat since August, 2007
which is when institutional investors first started to look at their balance sheets and realize a large part of them was fiction.

They've been trying to paste it together until after the election.

They now realize that's impossible, and are just trying to prevent bank closures and the riots that will follow.

You bet they're grey and subdued. They know they failed. Again.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:20 AM
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20. And There's That Asshole Ben Stein On CBS.....
....moaning about how there should have been regulations in place to prevent all this---as if he and the rest of his right-wing pals haven't opposed regulations like a bunch of rabid skunks for decades. The hypocrisy is just breathtaking.....
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:25 AM
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25. that's my word for it too
breathtaking. it really is.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:22 AM
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22. did they say it out loud?
any links? i don't have tv. on another thread i read that all the surrogates and hank paulson himself were all over the air waves working to put in the final nail with their bail out plan.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:28 AM
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27. I think they fear losing millions in the stock market more than they fear dems.
It's all about greed.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:34 AM
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30. A Pyhrric victory at best
Sure, we can point out how fucked up their policies were, but meanwhile our country will be going down the tubes. This bailout isn't the answer, it's simply a delaying action so that Bush will be out of office when the terminal crash occurs and 'Pugs will blame Obama for the mess if he's in office.

Meanwhile, while you and I will be out on the line for the soup kitchen, people like Will, Schneider and the other neocon punditry will be laughing it up, secure in the own positions as their wealth insulates them from the devastation the rest of us will have to deal with.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:54 PM
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51. you got it!! if they're going down, they're taking us with them. n/t
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:37 AM
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31. Democrats are complicit too.
There are many, many Dems who are brought to you by Wall Street and Big Money. Even though the Obama campaign is not funded primarily by corporate fat cats, they have representation in his organization.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/obama-economic.html

I hope he will be elected, but if and when he is we will need to keep the pressure on him to fairly represent the people who contributed so much to his campaign (you and me).

This struggle isn't going to be as easy as electing one president.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:41 AM
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32. Supply-side/trickle down economics had been denounced
years ago, well before Reagan, but it made for great theatrics and campaign material for the rethuglicans. It's finally come to a crashing end and they have nothing left, not even the smug looks on their lying faces.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:53 AM
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35. It's vitally important for our country that the Democrats seize the moment
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 11:53 AM by kenny blankenship
now to say OUT LOUD what everyone on some level finally understands or suspects: that the Republican's economic "philosophy" of winner-take-all and last man standing is dead wrong, ain't never been right, and will always lead to great wealth for a grabby few, broad prosperity for none, and dreadfully insecure cyclical conditions of feverish credit expansion, collapse, then dog-eat-dog panic for ALL.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:37 PM
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40. Absolutely right!
this economic darwinism and the fixed/faux "free" market the libertarians love to cite does nothing but help some, but will hurt all.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:46 AM
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34. "...everything they've advocated for a lifetime has been shown to be a complete failure."

That is a FACT, and don't let anybody tell ya otherwise!

:dem:

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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:59 AM
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37. K & R.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:52 PM
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42. kick one more time. n/t
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:14 PM
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56. Nuddakick
:kick:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:26 PM
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64. One more kick from me. They'll be back in full lying form in no time.
That's their job.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:59 AM
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38. Never count these bastards out -- until you've driven a stake through their hearts
During the Nixon and Regan funerals I waited for someone to have the presence of mind to drive a stake through their hearts. No one did. We're been paying for that ever since.

The Bush family has been escaping the consequences of their actions since 1934. If FDR had had the foresight to hang Prescott Bush and his co-conspirators as the traitors they were, the US would be a different place today.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:55 PM
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44. Here's a Youtube video of investigative Journalist John Buchanan
explaining how he found in the US national archives and the library of Congress papers and records documenting Prescott Bush's (Shrub's grand daddy) financial involvement with the German Nazis and his involvement in the plot to overthrow FDR and institute a fascist dictatorship in the US.

http://brasschecktv.com/page/263.html
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:54 PM
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43. You can drive out Satan with a pitchfork
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 01:00 PM by smoogatz
But he always comes roaring back again. As long as there are large numbers of rubes in this country willing to consistently vote against their own evident economic self-interest, and as long as political influence can be bought for cash, junkets and hookers, the corporate ruling class will always have political power. American "conservatism" was never a real political philosophy; it has always been nothing but a wish-list for corporations and the very rich, with a bit of faux-populist tinsel and a bone or two thrown to the idiot religious nuts, without whom "conservatives" would never win an election.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:58 PM
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45. only one question remains
will the meltdown take both ruling political parties down or just the gop
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:03 PM
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46. republican's recession - dubya's depression
mccain's mess, and we'll be the palin poor
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:18 PM
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47. Hey! You don't have to go insulting us banjo-pickers!!!
Palin could never play the banjo. It requires actual TALENT!! Something she has no trace of.

Bake
Banjo Picker, Dammit!!
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:20 PM
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48. Let them go the way of the Whigs and Federalists nt
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:54 PM
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50. I've noticed a definite pall over repub supporters since the RNC
Even at rallies, everyone looks as if they're either glum or really trying to look happy but not succeeding. As opposed to us... :bounce: :kick: :patriot:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:23 PM
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52. They're now experiencing what we did when Bush was selected
Remember how that knot felt as it tightened on that day when the Supreme Justices selected Bush, and how it got worse and worse as time went by? Remember the sinking feeling of nausea and the fear of what they were doing to the country became more and more evident? Remember the feeling of growing unease and the sharp pain in the pit of your stomach as we realized that the media was nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Executive Branch? And finally, remember the emotional blow of Bush 'winning' the second term? How many of us were so utterly depressed that it actually changed our lives?

That's what they are just beginning to feel with their new ashen faces. It's that sinking feeling that they're dreams are slipping away. They're dreams being complete control and wild wealth at the expense of the rest of humanity.

And they did it to themselves just as much as it being us fighting back.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:43 PM
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54. I never again want to experience that sinking feeling
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 02:44 PM by ailsagirl
that doomed feeling-- the anguish, the fear... and turns out we were fully justified in feeling that way. Things actually turned out to be far, far, far worse than we ever could have imagined. I'm on eggshells until bushco leaves the WH. You never know what they'll pull next.

:scared:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:29 PM
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53. repug philosophy is proven to be dead
how dare they ever speak of small government, government bailouts, socialized medicine.

this bailout is socialised capitalism.


my disgust for repugs knows no bounds.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:46 PM
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55. I'd like to believe that by why the hell are the polls so close???
There seems to be a conflict between what you hear (news, DU, etc.) and what you see (polls, electoral votes). From looking at the numbers, it appears McPain is doing just fine.

:shrug:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:20 PM
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57. the fundamentals of repug. philosphy have been disproven
the average right wing voter probably doesn't get it. they will feebly cheer their incompetant leaders when they say they want to see accountability and small government - not seeing the grubby repug hands grabbing money from the taxpayer to account for their massive mistakes.

like i've been saying: repugs are disgusting, stupid, unAmerican, assholes.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:03 PM
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60. It's just bizarre that they are so cultish-- never question the neocons
at the top-- just blindly going along with what they're told to do. Like they're programmed. Their stupidity staggers me. :wtf:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:42 PM
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58. Actually the small segment shown on DU from George Will this
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 07:42 PM by MasonJar
morning sounded as if Will were about ready to endorse Obama...the age "thing" even came up. Even the snide one Corkie had to admit that Obama had better advisors.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:45 PM
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59. Hannity still believes. He was crowing about the stock market being up for the week on Friday.
Dumb fuck has no idea what has happened.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:03 PM
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61. No-- dumb CLUCK!! LOL
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:17 PM
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62. If George Will was a man, he'd slit his own throat.
Let him burn in Hell.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:22 PM
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63. Miserable failure.
Repuke philosophy has been tried and it has failed.

Let's start saying it the same way they say it about socialism.

Tried and failed. Tried and failed. Tried and failed. Start repeating it.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:29 AM
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65. Maybe Democrats won't have to put Bush on trial. The Republicans will tear him to bits themselves.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:36 AM
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68. let them eat their own.
nice picture.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:43 AM
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69. They can't defend McCrazy, because they and
McCrazy are responsible for the deregulation fiasco. How can they defend someone that was one of the biggest ducks in the puddle?
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