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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:07 PM
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Anyone else completely infuriated?
We can't afford to give our soldiers the proper body armor or tools in a war they started, but we can bail out Bush's buddies? They just put a fucking BAND-AID on a gushing head wound. And it wasn't a four by four. It was one of those tiny band-aids you put on a bleeding razor cut or zit.
We can't have national health care, but we can socialistically bail out all of Bush's buddies. While I am 1/4 socialist at heart, this is RIDICULOUS!
So, the United States now owns 80% of AIG. That should mean that 80% of the profits should go into the National Treasury, right? Will it? Not on your fucking life.
Why fuck haven't these bastards been fired? Why the fuck haven't the Bush Administration been impeached? What the fuck is wrong with Congress that they aren't doing something about it?
Dear Democratic Congress: You have a MAJORITY! Do you know what the means? That means you should be able to take control and fix this shit. Why haven't you? Why are you afraid of a Veto? Let Bush veto your bills. Go back, vote again on the same issue and keep sending it to him until he gets a fucking clue and signs it. OR over ride the veto! Yes, you can do that! GET A BACKBONE!
Thanks for the rant. I feel at least a little better now.
Please feel free to post your own.
Duckie
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:09 PM
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1. We need to take to the streets, I hope someone does in Washington and NYC
and that they are not just some marginal group looking for publicity.

We need hundreds of thousands marching to stop this.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:21 PM
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8. They're ready for ya
You saw what happened in Minneapolis. Anyone who tried would be rounded up and jailed in a heartbeat. It wouldn't even get mentioned on the evening news.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:14 PM
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41. I've been pissed since 1966. I think my inner rubber band is going to go spoing soon.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:11 PM
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2. absolutely! nt
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:12 PM
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3. Action is needed today - this afternoon
Give vent to that anger and contact your Senators and Reps re this bailout. They are signing it tomorrow - whether or not they and how they word that sucker is still fluid - let's see if we can't get them to hear what we have to say.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4051679
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:18 PM
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5. All of my reps are republicans...
If I were to write to Inhofe again, I'd get another letter that basically is a pat on the head, telling me not to worry my pretty little girl brain about it. He knows what is best for me. That fucker. I hope he loses his seat.
Duckie
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:26 PM
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17. Write them anyway,
my state has a Reptilian Senator and two Reptilian Reps and I write them anyway regardless of the patronizing letter I know I'll get in return. Usually when I receive one of those I write them back telling them to stop lying to me that I know better and yes I do use the word lie.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:58 PM
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28. I did.
Just now.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:00 PM
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30. Thank you
It is important that we do every thing we can. You never know if your email or note is the one that could sway them to think differently.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:01 PM
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44. I wrote mine...
My senators are on D and one R, and my rep is R, but fuck it, I told them that I demanded they uphold their sworn duty to protect the Constitution.

Tomorrow I'm picking up the phone. And I hate doing that more than anything.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:52 PM
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46. May you find comfort in the fact that they will
hate you picking up the phone more than you!

:toast:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:54 PM
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26. Write him anyway -
It's important to know that some of his constituents do not agree with him. He needs voters to back him - I would imagine the RWingers in your state are just as upset as you are on this.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:35 PM
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35. Republicans might even be more open
In general, they are willing to throw the whole country under the bus for wrong principle. So here, because they don't think government should own businesses, they will be less likely to be swayed by the whole "the economy is collapsing" threat.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:26 PM
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32. Wrote to Waxman, Boxer and Feinstein today.
Lets hope we get through to them!

If this package passes, USGOV will default on its debt within 2 years.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:24 PM
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40. Eshoo, Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Obama and McCain. Should we bother with the Pres? n/t
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 03:25 PM by dana_b
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:54 PM
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47. You mean Bushitler?
:rofl:

They don't let him READ! He knows nothing more than those slips of paper they have him try to read into the mic every once in awhile.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:50 PM
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45. That's a powerful trio!
Hopefully calmer heads will reign and this will be resolved better than it looks right now.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:16 PM
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4. K and R
I feel it too, but also feel very frustrated that there is NOTHING we can do to stop it. Our so called leaders will do what is in THEIR best interest and screw the citizens of amerika.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:18 PM
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6. Have you actually WRITTEN your congressperson yet? Called their office?
They need to hear this from you!
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:21 PM
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7. I have tried in the past.
They are all republicans. I have a stack of letters basically telling me not to worry my pretty little girl brain about it, they know what is best for me better than I do.
Duckie
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:24 PM
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14. Write 'em anyway. Leave the 'fuck' words out, but they still need to be bombarded...
...with letters and calls. They may just sneer at you, but they'll have to take the time to do it, and it'll make them nervous (as they damn well ought to be) though they'd never admit it.

Be a nasty thorn in their side.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:23 PM
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13. They don't care what you think
Seriously. They don't care. They need corporate money to stay in office. They will do what the corporations tell them. They need to get elected, of course, but they know they can swing the vote with a few negative TV ads. And they need money for that, which they can get from the corporations. SO, they don't care about you as much as they care about the corporations.

Remember all that stuff you learned in Civics class? Forget it.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:34 PM
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24. you're right, you're absolutely right BUT...
people have to get their outrage out somehow. Should they just stick their heads in the sand and cry? I mean whatever it takes - writing to congressional people, marching in the street or simply getting it out on DU. do it!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:56 PM
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27. Shut 'em down
We can shut down the government. It's easy and can be done from the comfort and safety of your own home.

If 500,000 people from around the country decided on Monday to call their Congressperson, two Senators, White House, the Treasury Dept. to protest their actions -- the DC phone lines would be so clogged, the government would have to shut down.

You could follow up with emails and faxes to all of the above.

Get more people to join in -- for most people it's free with the nationwide calling plans.

If we got a million people to make five phone calls and send five faxes and emails to DC -- we could bring the city to its knees. If we got two millions people to do it, people in government couldn't even order a pizza.

Don't harass and don't spam -- nothing illegal -- just exercise your constitutional right to make your voice heard -- every day.

This was done once before and it shut down all their communication systems for a day. We can do it again.

They may not care what you say -- but when they can't make a phone call, send email, or get faxes, they may just understand that we're pissed.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:03 PM
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37. I'm in! Let's do it!! n/t
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:28 PM
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18. done! with many quotes from Duers
You must write to them but there has to be other outlets in which people can express their outrage. Seriously, as the old but true statement goes, if people aren't outraged - they aren't paying attention. I've given money and time to Obama, written to congressional people, called them too, and I still feel totally pissed off and ignored - like many here. This bail out shit is just that, a crock of shit!!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:59 PM
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29. I wrote my Rep with Robert Reich's list of demands in exchange for the bailout
1. The government (i.e. taxpayers) gets an equity stake in every Wall Street financial company proportional to the amount of bad debt that company shoves onto the public. So when and if Wall Street shares rise, taxpayers are rewarded for accepting so much risk.

2. Wall Street executives and directors of Wall Street firms relinquish their current stock options and this year's other forms of compensation, and agree to future compensation linked to a rolling five-year average of firm profitability. Why should taxpayers feather their already amply-feathered nests?

3. All Wall Street executives immediately cease making campaign contributions to any candidate for public office in this election cycle or next, all Wall Street PACs be closed, and Wall Street lobbyists curtail their activities unless specifically asked for information by policymakers. Why should taxpayers finance Wall Street's outsized political power - especially when that power is being exercised to get favorable terms from taxpayers?

4. Wall Street firms agree to comply with new regulations over disclosure, capital requirements, conflicts of interest, and market manipulation. The regulations will emerge in ninety days from a bi-partisan working group, to be convened immediately. After all, inadequate regulation and lack of oversight got us into this mess.

5. Wall Street agrees to give bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages, so homeowners have a fighting chance to keep their homes. Why should distressed homeowners lose their homes when Wall Streeters receive taxpayer money that helps them keep their fancy ones?

Wall Streeters may not like these conditions. Well, you should tell them that the public doesn't like the idea of bailing out Wall Street. So if Wall Street doesn't accept these conditions, it doesn't get the blank check.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:22 PM
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9. Sorry, but I can't agree.
All this nonsense about how the Repigs planned all this as part of their "coup" is ridiculous paranoia. They aren't that smart. This bailout goes against everything they stand for, and the only reason they are resorting to it is because they don't want to see all their wealth go up in smoke. And they are right. Because it wouldn't be just theirs, it would be everyone's. There is nothing to be gained by allowing the world to slip into another Great Depression.

In truth, what is happening now is the ultimate vindication of traditional Democratic economic philosophy. And the mass nationalizations that are occuring will be a very good thing for the left in the long run. Republicans will never again be taken seriously with their "free market" BS. It's over.

Should the taxpayers be stuck with this bill? No. But the only other choice is infinitely worse. So get over it, and celebate the upside to all this. All these paranoid ravings just make us look as idiotic as they do.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:29 PM
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19. I don't believe I said it was part of a coup.
It's happening, but it's not a fix. It's a dirt dam on a tsunami. They are only postponing the inevitable.
And while I agree with you on your second paragraph, I'm not paranoid. I have legitimate concerns about this, and I am infuriated. I'm sorry if you don't agree.
Duckie
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:33 PM
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23. Regardless of how some
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 01:34 PM by vpilot
frame this, planned coup or otherwise there is NO way that we should let Booo$hCo have a blank check with absolutely NO accountability. This line from the plan ought have everyone regardless of party screaming HELL NO!
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:22 PM
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10. The Protect our Children Act has to BEG for ONE billion dollars. Pisses me off. n/t
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:22 PM
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11. I can't call my congresscritter.
I'm not an American.

However, I am watching this unfold in real time....the beginning of the next depression and what I hope will be the final slam of shock doctrine before the folks who hold the Washington Concensus wake up and realize that this only works for a few....and the rest of the world is out there,waiting not to patiently.

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BraneMatter Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:23 PM
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12. *&%^^%%$^&**(
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 01:27 PM by BraneMatter
Infuriated doesn't even begin to cover it.

Listening to Paulson on This Week earlier today, he wouldn't even agree to criminal CEO's even being given a cut in their bonus pay, and Bush basically wants the money with little or no Congressional oversight or penalty for the crooks: "Trust us," Paulson says.

Yeah, right.

The people get squat-- except the biggest screwing in history...

I really trust Bush and an administration that lies about almost EVERYTHING, and is now on its way out of town while trying to give Congress the last minute bum's rush for a trillion dollars to pass out to Wall Street gangsters.

Let Wall Street crash and burn. Good riddance. And arrest Bush for crimes against humanity.

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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:30 PM
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20. Amen.
Why are we being called paranoid because we feel this way about this whole thing? It's ridiculous. You are spot on!
Duckie
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LibGranny Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:24 PM
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15. Go to Congress.Org to contact your
congressperson. 2 of mine are repugs and one a democrat - one of the repugs is up for re-election and I promised to check to see how he voted for this "bailout" and remember that when I vote in Nov. I wouldn't vote for him anyway but just wanted him to know that I'm paying attention!
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:32 PM
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22. Lke I said before...
...mine are repugs and could GIVE A SHIT about how I feel. I needn't worry my pretty little girl brain about anything. They know what is best for me. To sit down, shut up and fall in line. Bastards all of them.
Duckie
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:26 PM
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16. Yup !!! - K & R !!!
:argh:

:mad:

:nuke:
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:31 PM
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21. K&R
This country is in deep, deep trouble. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:34 PM
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25. This whole incredible mess was probably part of some
grandiose plan that went astray. So what do we do? We bail them all out, all the big players get their money, we go down the hopper while **** and the other crooks drift off into the sunset(or Paraguay) with their money in hand. Just gotta get through the election and January 20, 2009.

Do you think *** will go to the inauguration? I saw the article about the proposed change in the parade route. I think someone is a little nervous in DC.

Damn **** and his cohorts. Could they have done any worse in 8 years?
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:03 PM
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31. Just finished writing to all three of my Fed Govt representatives
It is rare that I get so steamed up about an issue, but I've absolutely lost it over the bailout bill. I just sent letters to both senators, my representative and Nancy Pelosi.

Dear

I am outraged that the government would seek to pass a bill that contains the words "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

I respectfully request that you do everything in your power to prevent passage of that bill.

A clearer example of treason I cannot imagine.

Your leadership is required to hang the writer and supporters of that wording out to dry. My outrage needs to be reflected in every speech you make until that wording is removed.

Your political legacy depends on how YOU respond to this power grab on our behalf. We WILL remember.

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Mesteryo Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:28 PM
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33. no because I support the "bailout"
If we just sat back and let these banks fail we would've ended up in another Depression and as a nation our economy would've lost alot more than $700 billion dollars.

Seeing people here talk about this makes me feel like they don't actually understand this at all. Especially when you say this money is going directly to CEOs which isn't true.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:29 PM
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34. i think most people support A bailout. few support THE bailout being forced down our throat. n/t
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ccinamon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:54 PM
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36. I am sooo beyond infuriated...
Not only did I email my family and friends about this mess, but I included the link to find their congress critters.

I emailed my congress critters, and then I also reworded my original email into a fax...similar points, but different words...so hopefully they will read both and at least one of them will get a conscious!

I even had my name and address on the fax so they couldn't lightly blow off the points I made...oh, and I sent the fax to the Senate banking committee as well!



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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:05 PM
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38. + 1
:thumbsup:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:09 PM
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39. yes
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9thkvius Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:22 PM
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42. Goddamn right I am
I almost lost it this afternoon. I was just furious, and I still am. My girlfriend told me that she has never, ever seen me this fired up about anything. I have had it.

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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:58 PM
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50. Same here
I got fired up and probably scared my wife into thinking I'm having an episode. This shit is beyond the power of pharmaceuticals to stifle.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:59 PM
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43. The Angry Left.
B-b-b-but th-th-they'll c-c-call us The Angry Left
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:54 PM
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48. Right %^&*ing here.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:55 PM
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49. Yep, I am completely infuriated.
My meds have failed me tonight. This is more aggravating than anything in recent memory.
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