Did Bin Laden Win The War?

[lligrd]

Aren't things unfolding just like he predicted? Wasn't economic collapse his agenda?

[jaysunb]

1. Sure he did...

The first time I had to take my shoes off at the airport, I knew he had won. :evilfrown:

[Pavulon]

2. He is or is waiting to be exploded all over something

we have roofs over our head and bitch about gas prices. Poor where he is means literal starvation. Not a public assistance, starvation and death.

He did not win, however we have lost more by getting involved in places we do not need to be.

[MercutioATC]

3. He won it a long time ago.

Our continued overreactions have just served to make it a rout.

[HelenWheels]

4. W followed his first demand so fast it must have made his head spin

He wanted the American bases out of Saudi Arabia and Bush complied immediately.

And the rest is all falling into place, but it's the unchecked greed that's doing it. bin Laden was just smart enough to see it coming.

[kenny blankenship]

5. He may not have lived to taste victory (FDR didn't either)

but that he won the war cannot be doubted. With no disrespect to victims of 9-11 and the suffering of their families, OBL's attack on the United States was nothing more than a pinprick. Our reaction to that event however triggered a series of calamities that seem certain to reduce a global empire to the next has-been power. We will retain the ability to annihilate life on the planet but barring direct attack on our territory that's a useless power. There's nothing like it in any history I know about. It's an event in a class by itself.

[lonestarnot]

6. We never found him to ask him.

:shrug:

[YDogg]

7. hell yeah. with a big assist from bush and cheney.

[Xenotime]

8. Yes. That one man is smarter than the whole country.

[Undercurrent]

9. Well, let's see.

Bin Laden said:

We would be swallowed by the sand in a bloody war that would grind down our military. - We have.

Our economy would be destroyed. - It is.

That we would turn on one another, and destroy ourselves from within. - We are becoming a police state.

So far we have paid dearly with our blood and treasure, and locked ourselves behind the bars of fear. We have thousands of dead, mutilated, and psychology crippled Americans coming home to a country with a shredded Constitution. And we are in debt for generations to come.

Oh, and as an added bonus, we have taken on the karmic debt for tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians.

[sattahipdeep]

10. Where is bin Laden?

JOEL BRINKLEY

Sunday, May 18, 2008

What could you buy with $6 billion?

You could finally rebuild the New Orleans neighborhoods that Hurricane Katrina destroyed. For almost six years, you could provide a daily meal for every one of the 36 million Americans who live below the poverty line.

Or, you could give all of it to the Pakistani government in the form of military aid and accomplish absolutely nothing. For more than seven years now, billions of American government dollars, expense reimbursements of about $90 million a month, have sluiced directly into the Pakistani Treasury, instantly becoming "sovereign government funds," as a new government report puts it.


Once there, the United States has no control over how the money is used. All of this money, about $6 billion so far, is intended to pay for counterinsurgency operations against al Qaeda and Taliban sanctuaries in the tribal areas of northwestern Pakistan.

After seven years, al Qaeda has established a terrorist-training and planning center there. The 2008 National Intelligence Estimate said al Qaeda "has regenerated its attack capability and secured a safe haven in Pakistan."

Meantime, the Taliban have begun applying fundamentalist Islamic law in the tribal areas they now control. They have shut down schools for girls, closed barbershops and music stores, just as they did in Afghanistan when they ruled that country. In short, seven years and $6 billion later, the terrorist group that carried out the 9/11 attacks has grown ever more comfortable and secure in its new Pakistani home. There, Washington fears, their leaders - including Osama bin Laden - are planning another attack on the United States. Meanwhile, the newly elected Pakistani government is negotiating a truce with these militants and has already pulled most of its troops from the area.


This information comes from newly published federal government reports.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/18/INN110LIQ6.DTL

[DailyGrind51]

11. He hit America in the pocketbook, where it really hurts!

[Oregone]

12. Fuck no, and stop saying this...

I am so suspicious of this talking point all over DU (and elsewhere today) out of thin air.

He doesn't have a damn thing to do with it, unless he infiltrated the banks, approved these loans to every man, woman, and red-headed step child that asked for them (albeit with ridiculous terms), and then bundled them up and sold them as securities. Bin laden the banker? Fuck no.

Don't let some Free Market Republican, who doesn't know their head from their dick, tell you it was bin Laden (the omnipotent boogeyman). It was them, the whole time.

Bin laden was just something we looked at while they laughed their way to the bank (and subsequently, out the back door when it collapsed).

[lligrd]

13. Stop Asking Questions? WTF?

This is not a right wing talking point. Of course, he wasn't directly responsible for the corporation greed and lack of regulation but he knew we would overreact, spend billions on a useless war (plus we took out his enemy Saddam)and reelect the moron who would ensure bankruptcy.

You are free to disagree or ignore but please don't tell me to stop posting my thoughts. And by the way, when I brought this up there were no other posts that I was aware of. Even if there were, it is probably just because we are a like minded crowd.

[Fearless]

16. K&R!

[alfredo]

18. We're not saying he did it, we are saying Wall Street did it for him.

[Recursion]

14. Yes, in 2003

We removed all US troops from the Arabian peninsula when we invaded Iraq. That was his war aim, and we granted it to him. Everything since then is icing on the cake for him.

[Fearless]

15. I think when trying to place blame on this we should look no further than our own faces...

He is a scapegoat.

[alfredo]

19. Nobody thinks he did it. We know who did it, and they wear suits and

live in mansions.

[Fearless]

22. Indeed.

[Fearless]

23. Indeed.

[alfredo]

25. My conservative army buddies are ready to drag out the Guillotine.

[Fearless]

26. Well... I am a fan of Hari Kari!

[alfredo]

27. I heard that if you do it right the first time, you don't need to do it again.

[Fearless]

31. HA!

And remember... If at first you don't succeed, sky diving isn't for you.

:rofl:

[alfredo]

32. Same goes for bomb disposal.

[Fearless]

35. And running for president... oh right... oops.

[alfredo]

37. Advocate deregulation of healthcare as we deregulated Wall street is a

sure way to win.

[Fearless]

40. I think he should stick to his roots. I'm sure he'll win...

:rofl:

[alfredo]

41. Bob Dole all over again, except Dole had a personality.

[alfredo]

17. But he wanted to take credit for it, but Wall Street took that victory lap

away from him. Take that Osama!!

[radfringe]

20. Yes, with bush and republican's help.

Experience 3rd World Standard of Living right at home (if you still have a home)

[graywarrior]

21. Hell, yeah. Along with his partners The Bush Administration

[WindRiverMan]

24. Yeah he won, and it is why he feared Kerry last election

he knew battle hardened knew Bin Laden was a two bit chicken shit who was not worth our country going apeshit bananas over. Yep, Al Quaeda won.

[Pastiche423]

36. He couldn't have feared Kerry last election

He was dead.

[CJCRANE]

28. What Bin Laden didn't realize

was that Bush-Cheney wanted a "catastrophic attack" even more than he did and wanted to bankrupt America even more than he did.

OBL (or KSM or whoever the mastermind du jour is) was merely a useful idiot.

[bdamomma]

29. he is laughing (if he is still alive) all the way to thank george

for dismantling the US, the taliban did it to Russia, now it is our turn.

[fla nocount]

30. Won? been Forgotten did what he was paid to do, what his brother...

at the Carlyle Group told him told him to do. It's difficult to identify the winners but the losers are easy to spot.

[Greyhound]

33. Plus, the pussies of the Junta gave him everything he demanded.

Why won't the Democrats make this an issue? They are the surrender monkeys they always accuse others of being.

[Toucano]

34. Yes.

It's just what he did to the Soviets.

[rainydaywoman14]

38. Yeah, and in other news: the Easter Bunny got arrested for jay-walking

Bin Laden is the biggest fairy tale (to quote Bill Clinton) imaginable. I had to create an account and respond to any intelligent, progressive type of person who would swallow that propaganda because he exists as resident bogey man to terrorize the populace.

See: Hussein, Al-Zarquawi, et. al...

[lligrd]

42. Do You Have A Link To Clinton Calling Bin Laden A "Fairy Tale"?

Because I think you might have that quote a bit wrong.

[mainegreen]

39. Nobody has won anything.

Not us and not them.

There isn't always a winner.

[cliffordu]

43. Yep. the ter'ists won.