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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 07:54 AM
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Final cost may push $2 trillion
from 24/7 Wall Street:



September 22, 2008
Pushing The Bailout To $2 Trillion



Paulson, Bernanke & Co. are learning just how diabolical the legislative process can be. Their $700 billion financial rescue program is meant to buy toxic assets from US banks and financial companies.

Since the bill was sent up to Capitol Hill as the weekend began, members of Congress have asked that individual mortgages be propped up under the legislation. Paulson has requested that foreign banks with US operations be included. Some representatives and senators want executive compensation at bailout targets curtailed

In a move which could push the value of the assistance program well above $1 trillion, Paulson is considering casting an extremely wide net of salvation. According to Bloomberg, "The change to potentially allow purchases of instruments such as car loans, credit-card debt and other devalued assets may force an increase in the size of the package as the legislation proceeds through Congress."

The terms "increase in size" lacks the hyperbole to describe the size of the tent that will be erected if everyone's interests are included.

The sad part of this mess, is that the money required today to fix this system, which has too many moving and broken parts will still be inadequate.

One of the most obvious and frequently mentioned problems with the new the Paulson-Bernanke reconstruction is that as banks sell mortgage-backed paper below market, they will be forced to write down the assets and take new, and perhaps significant charges. That will cause losses, probably into the tens of billions of dollars. To offset this, the financial firms will have to raise more money, dilute shareholders, and drive down their stock prices further. What was meant to save the system could undermine it, especially if banks cannot find the new investment they need. Sovereign funds have sworn off investing in US banks.

If the mortgages of every man, woman, and child are to be saved along with their credit card debt and car loans, and new bank losses are to be financed as well, the size of the pool of capital required could move closer to $2 trillion.

If housing prices, at the core of the disintegration of the system, do not rise, even this amount of medicine won't save the patient.

- Douglas A. McIntyre


http://www.247wallst.com/2008/09/pushing-the-bai.html


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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:00 AM
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1. Where is all this money going to come from?
I know, eventually, it will come from "taxpayers" generations from now. But, immediately, will this all be borrowed foreign money?

Are we trying to pay off debt with debt?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:02 AM
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3. I think the foreign banks have more or less cut off the tap. They're realized.....
.... you've got to stop giving the alcoholic more alcohol. I don't know where the $$$ is coming from.


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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:04 AM
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4. I guess just imaginary numbers land.
:shrug:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:06 AM
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5. I know exactly where the money is going to come from, the treasury's printing presses.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-08 08:08 AM by Odin2005
Also known as, INFLATION!!!

They are debasing the currency in order to bail out their rich buddies.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:08 AM
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6. That's great.
A handout to the big boys, and everything the little person needs will get more expensive.

This is bad bad bad.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:13 AM
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7. Very, very, very bad.
The only bright side of this is that debts will be inflated away. So if the US$ drops to 10% of it's current value the amount of debt relative to the amount of money in the economy becomes 1/10 of what it originally was. This effect is why governments often debase their currencies in the first place, to inflate away their debt.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:01 AM
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2. No No No!!
Call Congress Right Fucking NOW!!11!!


(seriously, call them.)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:09 AM
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8. Remember the good old days when we thought just the war alone was going to
cost us 2 Trillion bucks?

Ahh, yeah, the good old days...good times...

:banghead:
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