Wall Street Executive says this will end with riots in the street.

[KayLaw]

Great article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091902809.html

Includes the quote of a trader who stood up and screamed at his colleagues that he's voting for Obama even if it means higher taxes, because this needs to be fixed.

[Lost4words]

1. And go directly to the Gated Communities.

8643

[nichomachus]

5. Excuse me?

I live in a gated community. What's wrong with a gated community?

[Dogtown]

11. By "gated community"

Poster did *not* mean a Federal Prison Camp...

:rofl:

[smoogatz]

19. Nothing.

They make ideal targets for armed mobs of looters, as far as I can tell.

[cliffordu]

25. Target rich environment....

[bobthedrummer]

53. Affirmative.

:patriot:

[DS1]

20. The people in gated communities are what's wrong with gated communities

[nichomachus]

21. What did I ever do to you? I live in a gated community.

[cliffordu]

26. I have a question:

Do you feel safer?

[nichomachus]

31. A little, but that's not why I live here

I had to sell my condo after I got laid off and couldn't find another job. I traded down and bought a mobile home that happens to be in a gated community. So, I actually fit into two despised demographics -- trailer trash AND gated community. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice mobile home park.

It s a 55-and-over community. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to believe that the gates and guards -- we have 24-hour security -- makes us impregnable, but it does discourage the people who just wander around with nothing to do, looking for crimes of opportunity. In the condo complex I used to live in, we had no walls or gates -- and we had homeless people who would come and bathe in the swimming pool at 3 a.m. -- soap, shampoo, etc. We had bored teens who would wander around and if anything was lying around, they'd take it.

So, yeah, I feel a little safer.

What's interesting is that even being a dreaded "gated community" and "trailer park," we have a very large Democratic club here - we have 2,000 homes -- and the Obama signs far outnumber the McCain signs.

Not all gated communities are filled with the ultra-wealthy and many people aren't walling themselves off from society. Many of my friends also live in gated communities of varying degrees of wealth. They are all active in the community, volunteer, are very liberal.

So, broad-stroke generalizations about gated communities and "trailer parks" are just plain bigotry in action.

[Coventina]

Your community had an unsecured pool? That's illegal where I live.

That's just downright irresponsible.

[nichomachus]

36. It was secured --

[Coventina]

37. Not of it was a convenient place for homeless people to bathe!

:shrug:

[nichomachus]

42. They are very creative people

All "secured" means is that any latches have to be out of the reach of children. They were.

[Coventina]

45. Insanity to not have a locked community pool.

That was one lousy property management company. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[cliffordu]

35. I live in an old Airstream, although not in a park. we used to manage an

RV park. There is a lot of snootiness on that 'trailer park" level here.

When most people hear "gated community" I think they automatically assume it's a million dollar home gated community....not a mobile home park. (I did)


I'd gladly live in a 55 and over park if we had to choose that or go back into apartment living.


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[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. Oh for good god's fucking sake. Obviously, the comment WASN'T about you.

Sheesh. A modest mobile home park with a gate is not the same as a McMansion enclave. There are many of them in Greater Phoenix and some of those assholes have even tried to get out of paying their property taxes because they maintain their own communities and provide their own security so why should they contribute to the riffraff?

[nichomachus]

43. Well, people need to be more specific and not use generic terms

which are inaccurate.

That's like making a remark about "Blacks" and then saying you didn't mean all Blacks.

[dgibby]

46. there's a community exactally like that

just down the road from me in Summerville (Ladson), SC. It's very nice, and I wouldn't mind living there except for the hurricanes here.

[LanternWaste]

48. Between you and me...

Between you and me, I think gated communities are simply an obvious (though simplistic) target for many people who are simply too intellectually lazy to look at the individual (so many individuals, so little time to judge...?), and instead lump all people of a particular demographic together to more easily allow the validation of preconceived and dogmatic points of view. :shrug:

[snooper2]

70. A gated-trailer park

:rofl:

You have to admit that's kind of funny :hi:

[TalkingDog]

29. As we say down South: "Bless your heart." n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. You segregated yourself from the proletariat.

You're either with us or against us.

[nichomachus]

44. How is a gated community any different

than someone who lives in an apartment building with a security lock on the front door and a call system to let visitors in?

Same thing - different layout, that's all.

[Dorian Gray]

54. I live in a Brooklyn

co-op that has a door man! Gasp!

That's sort of like a gated community!

[cliffordu]

55. Well, ya, except the gates around Brooklyn keep people IN, don't they??

Ba dum dum.. I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your waiters!!

[Dorian Gray]

58. cute

:9

[cliffordu]

60. Petite lumpen??

[LanternWaste]

65. Locked doors do the same thing.

"You segregated yourself from the proletariat."

Locked doors do the same thing.

So all those who value the eternal struggle of the downtrodden proletariat against the oppressive chains of the bourgeois should unlock all doors... :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. I'm sure the bu$h maladministration has a plan for riots in the streets. Something along the line

of martial law and/or canceled election? :shrug:

[central scrutinizer]

8. in the works - read this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4036241

[City Lights]

10. Looks like the riots (if there are any) will lead to a bloodbath.

:scared:

[SharonAnn]

40. Oh Good! Then can we tar and feather the guilty ones and ride them out of town on a rail?

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Well....damnit!

x(

[dgibby]

22. thanks, I was looking for that thread

This iis very serious, if you haven't read it and the comments, please do it asap!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. no more champagne and their 13 car friends?

[malaise]

4. No sympathy here

Main Street will not take this sitting down.

[Cassandra]

6. That's probably the sanest thing...

that trader has ever said.

[shadowknows69]

7. Horrible as it is, I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in "the pit"

Must have been quite a show.

[mrih]

9. No lipstick is gonna fix that ugly mess.

I like that quote at the end: As a trader said when asked to sum up the current situation on Wall Street: "Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered."
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[bdamomma]

14. well I guess we know what we are by that quote.

[HamdenRice]

13. "THERE WILL BE NO FOOD !!!"

About a year ago (?) some DUer posted an apocolyptic post with that screaming headline.

I was one of the responders who basically said he was crazy.

I wish I could find that post and the DUer, because I would apologize and say he was more right than I was, given what I heard on DemocracyNow this morning, which said we were hours away from a meltdown that would mean having to buy our groceries with gold:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4057340

[DeschutesRiver]

23. More important than that right now is to get prepared for some bad times

there were lots of people who laughed like that.

This time last year, I didn't know exactly where things would end up, and frankly, I still don't. But I got freaked over the abrupt housing market declines, coupled with the Bear Stearns blowup, and finally focused on how all the people I knew, who were more broke than me, had been funding lifestyles that far exceeded mine - credit. Debt meant wealth to them, and I understood this wasn't going to have a happy ending.

So I put our affairs rapidly in order, so to speak. I worked to get us out of debt. I put the retirement money we'd scraped together over the last 25 years into treasuries, and took a hit to the wallet in liquidating my stocks and mutual funds, but nothing like the hit I'd be taking now. I am seeking return OF capital, not return ON capital - otherwise I will be down at Costco selling samples like all the other little old ladies I see there every weekend, supplementing their SS.

I stocked my pantry with multiples of things I use weekly - you can do a little bit each week to make it easier on the wallet - I focused on canned veg/fruits, rice and flour for my bread baking, and stocked up on basics that are cheaper during the holidays (buying opportunity coming up!), like butter to freeze, chocolate, canned milk, you name it. I planted a garden and spent froze my veggies and stuff from the farmer's markets here, and butchered two of our cows. You can find a local farmer/rancher who can get you beef organically raised - remember, beef producers have been reducing their herds all year in response to higher grain costs because of ethanol production, so so that is why there is still inexpensive beef out there, ie oversupply. This will impact the cost of beef next year, because you can't increase herd size more quickly than however long it takes to produce calves. I am ordering some seeds online for next year. Gardens are hit/miss where I am, due to longer winters, and a short growing season, but there is comfort in knowing where my veggies come from.

Split more firewood than I'd thought humanely possible, learned to can, honed my bread and other baking skills. So with luck, I can feed us, keep us warm, and pay property taxes so we have a house in which to live. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake. It was a lot of work, but I don't see the alternative. My grandma and great grandma kept well stocked pantries - heck, they lived in the boonies, back then there was no power in rural areas, no just in time grocery stores to pop into after work, no washers or dryers. No one blinked if you had some food stored, you wouldn't make it without it. If grandma could do this, so can I. Food is just not something I want to freak out about. I know most people aren't going to be able to plant gardens, raise a beef cow, can/freeze their food, or the like; but you can think ahead about doing so cooperatively. Or buying those extra items each week, or saving just a bit of cash under the mattress to pay a few bills if there was a bank holiday (can you even believe we have to seriously consider such things???). An inexpensive freezer is your friend.

If Wall Street can try to protect its interests, then you should at least be protecting yours as well. People who can keep themselves from starving are in a far better position to survive hard times, and battle those in the gov, Wall Street, and sadly some of my neighbors and friends who seek to make us pay for their mistakes. I am 50, and I never really believed I'd wake up one day and see some of the things I have seen happen in just the last week. I would have called myself tinfoil.

Sorry for the length, and using your post for my self sufficiency propaganda purposes, lol. It is just that I still think there is time for people to somewhat cushion the blows to come, so why the heck not get started?

ETA: we embarked on this path several years ago when we retired from practicing law, and took up different ways of earning a living. I thought I'd mention that, because a couple of older lawyers doing what we do seems to strike people as unlikely. How we are living now really isn't that different than how we grew up, so in a way we've come full circle. And not bad timing, given what is going on. When the world rebalances itself, we may rejoin it; until then, working for balance in our lives.

[fla nocount]

28. If you can bake bread, make soft cheeses and garden you will eat.

Keep a few chickens for eggs and you're rich already. This exaggerated train wreck so feared is considered a comfortable lifestyle by many in the world.

[DeschutesRiver]

47. I never thought about cheese, I will look into that

we are buying eggs from a neighbor with overflow. Our biggest problem with chickens is that we can't let them free range due to the abundance of coyotes and cougars; and the price of grain to feed them has skyrocketed from those I've spoken to (could use garden compost, but our winter starts in about a month, so would have to grain them for 6 months). But if I can work out the bugs, chickens will be my next addition.

You are on target with your last sentence. We have loved living like this for the past few years, it is now what we want, not something we are being forced to do; the shock will be to those who can no longer live the other consumer lifestyle of instant and cheap everything, delivered to your door so to speak.

[Kalyke]

50. Most cities won't allow you to keep chickens in the yard.

It's against city code.

Of course, if all hell breaks loose, I suppose violating city code would be the least of anyone's worries.

[DeschutesRiver]

52. I have heard that in many communities where chickens aren't allowed by code

they nonetheless exist, in people's garages and homes - it was prevelant in some asian communities filled with the newly immigrated. Can't remember which cities exactly, but some were larger ones. It was some deal with concerns re bird flu, how the USDA could not track those fowl under the proposed NAIS because they were inside, etc.

Where there is a will, there will be a way. Or a loosening of current regulations.

[KayLaw]

64. Hens are fairly quiet.

My friend and I had three hens and we got two eggs a day. We had no rooster so it wasn't really sustainable, but they made great pets.

[KayLaw]

33. Also

I thought the traders comment about being past recession was interesting. He says this is the Depression. It sounds like you're getting ready for it.

[DeschutesRiver]

51. me too re his comment

I don't know how greatly a recession differs from a depression, other than what I've gleaned through reading and talking to some of the old timers here in this ranching community. I get the idea that like they say about pornography, that I will know it when I see it.

If there is a depression, I am hoping that the way I've changed my life will mean I survive it comfortably, but modestly. If there is no depression? No difference, I live comfortably but modestly. So other than the time and small investment it takes to plan a bit, I see no downside. I have learned how to do so many things and that keeps my mind young. And my food tastes great now:)

[dgibby]

27. google "sustainable living"

another good site is Carolyn Baker's. I think it's speaktruth2power. There's a lot of really good info out there. Here's the problem: Global warming, severe drought in Southeast, Western sates, higher production costs due to higher gas prices, food crops being diverted to bio-fuels, rust infestation of overseas crops, small farms unable to compete, greed of Agro-business, MONSANTO (google them-it's too long to go into here). The list of problems goes on and on, and none of it is good. There are many of us that have been stocking up on non-perishables , especially grains (flour,rice, cornmeal), as they are going to be in very short supply. Our whole food supply is grain based. One of the reasons beef is so expensive is due to the cost/shortage of feed. Gives new meaning to being at the "bottom of the food chain". Oh, don't forget to check out the frugal living, rural and farm, and gardening groups here on DU-lots of good info there. Many of us are growing as much of our own food as possible and we support CSA groups (community sponsored agriculture)-you pay your participating farmer in your local area a predetermined price for his product, then "shop" there when the crops, milk, cheese, yogurt become available. It's a win-win, and you will see a substantial savings. Good luck-we're going to need it. btw, don't forget to stock up on pet food, too, as all of the dry food is grain based and getting more expensive by the day.:scared:

[DeschutesRiver]

59. thx, I didn't know those other groups existed here on DU!

It is getting really tricky to keep ahead of all the potential disasters. Just yesterday, I started figuring out an order for Seed Savers, who has heirloom seed for sale. And those CSAs are a wonderful thing - many starting in my region.

Because I raise my beef at this point in my life (they live in a herd, they graze at liberty most of the year, and we feed hay during the snow, so no grain involved), I am able to make homemade dog food more economically than I could buy it. Plus last year, my favorite dog's heath was compromised by the pet food recall; she passed this February. I probably will never buy commericial food again; but that isn't practical for most people. Saw the prices of dry kibble the other day, and was shocked.

[dgibby]

72. So sorry about your furry friend.

[Vektor]

15. "Solidly Republican", huh?

Well then, they are getting what they deserve, and may they rot in hell for voting for the scum-bags that have destroyed this country.

I haven't an ounce of pity.

Let the emaciated, coked-out gold diggers they consider "trophies" (what contest in hell DOES one have to win to get a greedy, drug-addled, half-starved, vapid corpse of a woman as a "trophy"?) change their diapers for them while they shit themselves blind as they watch their ill-begotten spoils go down the drain.

Ah that's right...as the gold drifts away, so does the gold-digger.

I hope these people are enjoying the effects of what they voted for.

[Supersedeas]

24. life on the pendulum

[Fly by night]

16. Bring it on.

Eat the rich.

[tom_paine]

17. Ad has been said above...that's why the Bushies eviscerated the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

THAT is why they are conditioning us to the submission level of a Chinese citizen to Totalitarian Tyranny.

THAT is why Halliburton is building/has built it's Concentration Camps for 300,000 (probably more, by now).

Etc.

[dgibby]

30. You are so right!

[TomClash]

18. Les rues sera plein de sang?

We'll see.

[Festivito]

32. They're getting us ready for marshall law. /nt

[Greyhound]

63. Yeah, it's going to be tough to beat this...

Marshall law comes to town.





Oh, you meant Martial law?

[fascisthunter]

34. History Warned You... but it didn't stop you...

there was a good reason for the New Deal and this is one.... just one! Idiots!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

39. perceptive of him,

probably already knows this
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1
...Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
...They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
...The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

[dgibby]

49. those weapons

use microwaves for crowd control. the more letal forms actually "cook" the target from the inside out. google Raytheon

[bobthedrummer]

56. USAF Air University Library index of Non-Lethal Weapons

http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/soft/nonlethal.htm

A lot of this is in the arsenals of para-militarized law enforcement and mercenaries (like Blackwater)

[dgibby]

61. thank you

there is a lot of good info at that site. I don't think most of the public has any understanding or appreciation of what this actually means (ie, facilitation of martial law). It is very frightening and very, very real.

[bobthedrummer]

66. There were RW death squads active in America in 1969 that had prototypes

COINTELPRO's, Operation CHAOS, and other criminal black ops that were unleashed on American citizens that happened to be on politicized "lists" for special handling using neutralization and including r&d in "the field".

[eowyn_of_rohan]

67. great - is this part of their "no touch torture" program?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

71. gee - wonder if these guys really suicided themselves

sounds more like they were cooked...

16 US troops commit suicide in Iraq
Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:48:50 GMT

Sixteen US troops from the a unit of the Airborne Division have committed suicide inside a military base in Iraq, security sources say. Iraqi security sources have revealed that 21 US troops had committed suicide inside a former Iraqi air force base 27 days ago, Fars News Agency reported on Monday.

...Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves.

The troops' motivations for suicide are not known but according to Iraqi sources the servicemen belonged to a unit of the US Airborne Division that was behind the massacre of several Iraqi families-- mostly women and children-- in northern Baghdad, said Ali al-Baghdadi an Iraqi security official.

The suicides took place in the soldiers' dormitory after the dinner time.
"The bodies of the US troops became misshapen such a way that they looked like 5000-year mummies," said a witness.

According to Iraqi officials' estimates, some 600 US troops, including senior officers, have committed suicide in Iraq since the invasion of the country in 2003. Half of the suicide attempts have been successful.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=68821§ionid=351020201

[intheflow]

57. Wall St. rioting in the street?

Where are the riot police to pre-emptively raid their offices because they're plotting malfeasance? :sarcasm:

[dgibby]

62. the riot police will be protecting them from us!

[undeterred]

68. Republicans really do think that taxes are worse than death, don't they?

Money is the only thing they are capable of loving.

[marions ghost]

69. "Money is the only thing (Republicans) are capable of loving"

Unfortunately in my life I have found that statement to be absolutely true.