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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:10 PM Original message |
The one common opinion of DU about which I am the most confused |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. the job of leadership is marshalling their OWN PARTY. nt |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. True enough, though some delegations are easier to marshal than others |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The Dems have a much broader spectrum of ideology than the repubs.. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I think we've seen an erosion of GOP solidarity that may even things up |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
45. Well, of some are easy to manage then some must be hard, and Nancy is not up to the task |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Who would be better, do you think? |
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DeepBlueC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think you are very astute nt |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I's probably better to be terse, but thanks. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R! |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Thanks |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yours are all good points and there is also the W Problem in the WH. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. My post was pretty long and pedantic as is, but yes that's a crucial factor |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. Too much nuance for the annoying ones here to process. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It's understandable though that people are frustrated |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
14. Seems to be the Republicans can aggressively push their agenda even |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. While the two recent majorities are similar in numbers, they are not similar in terms of unity |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. We have lacked the leadership to be as united as the GOP. Of course a |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. "What price unity" is an important question |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I, for one, am glad when Democrats don't follow the lead of Republicans |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Well, then just sit back and let them take everything from you. n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. oh, ok. |
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crappyjazz (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Shhh don't confuse us with facts |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
18. All of which is why I'm a DINO. |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. You're wasting your time, man |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Touché |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. It's nice to see what people think anyway |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. ...and yet, the congressional "minority" gets everything they want |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Not really. Leahy's DOJ investigation is one example |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. "I'll agree that Pelosi and Reid have failed to wrangle our delegation effectively" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Another part of the problem is the DLC's past ascendancy on determining strategy |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Well hopefully we'll be in a position soon to purge those elements from the party. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. That comes back to failures of framing, marketing and in general controlling the debate |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think that's a post that should be recommended. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. You fight the fights that are worth fighting. Not only those you think you can win.... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Amen to that and I wonder if we shall ever see that. n/t |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I think it's unquestionable that often we've had the advantage yet failed to pounce |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. Thank you for writing this. k+r, n/t |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
33. Very well put and well-reasoned |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. No shit. Where's the hyperbole and outrage? |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
35. I don't like her glib dismissal of impeachment. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That's totally fair. I think a case can be made for laying out their reasons more directly |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The game is changing as we type. We need to turn on a dime. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I think Social Security is a perfect example of where they are weak and we are strong |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I bet the repubs richly wish they would have impeached right about now... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. PUBbies would have voted against it, and would look like fools now. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Insightful! |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
44. Say what you want, but I think they are useless as leaders. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. It certainly comes across that way. I think the important question is "why?" |
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fla nocount (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
48. The chair rules the floor of the House. Period. n/t |
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