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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:14 PM
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Russian navy ships head to Venezuela
I don't know if this is a dupe or not but I don't care. People need to know about that.


Russian navy ships head to Venezuela

A Russian navy squadron set off for Venezuela on Monday, an official said, in a deployment of Russian military power to the Western Hemisphere unprecedented since the Cold War.


The nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser, pictured in 2004, and three other ships are off to Venezuela.

The Kremlin has moved to intensify contacts with Venezuela, Cuba and other Latin American nations amid increasingly strained relations with Washington after last month's war between Russia and Georgia.

During the Cold War, Latin America became an ideological battleground between the Soviet Union and the United States.

Russian navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk on Monday. The ships will cover about 15,000 nautical miles to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy, he told The Associated Press.

Dygalo refused to comment on Monday's report in the daily Izvestia claiming that the ships were to make a stopover in the Syrian port of Tartus on their way to Venezuela. Russian officials said the Soviet-era base there was being renovated to serve as a foothold for a permanent Russian navy presence in the Mediterranean.

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/22/russia.venezuela.ap/index.html



First there were Russian bombers arriving in Venezuela. Then the word of US troops on American soil. Now this.

Something is about to go down. My guess: World War III.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:16 PM
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1. Not a positive development, for sure.
:scared:
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Pterodactyl Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:18 PM
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11. I agree. The Russians should take a hike and stay out.
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kevinspeth Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:21 PM
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2. WW3
i heard about the planes but not American boots mobilizing in the us you got a link or anything?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:27 PM
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4. Yup. Here ya go:
Edited on Mon Sep-22-08 09:37 PM by Texas Explorer
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/">LINK

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:31 PM
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5. Consequence Management Response Force??!!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:36 PM
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8. You like that? Here's an earlier thread I started and another later:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:23 PM
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12. You have completely and totally freaked me out tonight. I missed all these earlier
discussions.

Holy crap. I've even been Googling Operation Garden Plot and Rex 84

Going to bed to hide !
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:32 PM
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6. Is your Army Times link right? When I try to click, it says Page Has Gone AWOL
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:38 PM
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9. Fixed. That's happened with every thread on this subject. It's all about the
little "/" on the end, after the "w".
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:24 PM
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3. Oh noess!1 ------ Wait, otoh, they think it's ORLANDO!1
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:35 PM
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7. Janes' Takeaway
from georgia was the shit state of Russian equipment and their loss of strategic aircraft to goergia..

The russian navy has very few ships built after the fall of the ussr. This ship took 10 years to make and was laid down in 86.

BIW and Ingalls have been busy since then. As has groton..

Russia presents no threat to the US.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:39 PM
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10. Cool. Mods, kill the thread then. Everything's going to be alright. Just like
they said the economy was doing just fine.

Nothing else to see here people. Move along.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:28 PM
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13. Na, just the Latin American nations that are sick of U.S. interference in their affairs
hiring a bruiser of a bodyguard in case the Bushies get ideas about making Latin America safe for sweatshops.

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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:35 PM
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14. Alienated the Pakistanis and the Russians.
Two more countries that were semi-friendly that now hate us. Thanks King George!
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