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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:24 PM
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IS THIS TRUE??????
i RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL TODAY, obviously there about 300 people in that e-mail and just want to check if this e-mail is true. If i go to the polls wearing an Obama shirt, will this be considered campaigning? Or is this e-mail to scare people and not have any evidence as to whom ppl have voted for??
this is very fishy..


Subject: Urgent: Voting Nov. 4th

For those of you registered to vote, FYI...

Please, please, please advise everyone you know that they absolutely can NOT go to the polls wearing any Obama (or whoever you are voting for) shirts, pins, hats, etc. It is AGAINST THE LAW and will be grounds to have the polling officials to turn you away. This is considered campaigning and no one can campaign within X amount of feet of the polls. They are banking on us being overly excited and not being aware of this long standing law that you can bet will be ENFORCED THIS YEAR!!!!!

They are banking that if you are turned away, you will not go home and change your clothes and return to the polls to vote. Please just don't wear ANY gear of any sorts to the polls! Please share this information with as many people as you can. If you are already aware of this, please don't take it as insulting your intelligence.

Have a great day and see you at the polls on November 4th.

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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:25 PM
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1. Yes it's true.
Just wear blue.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM
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2. Is it considerd campaigning?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM by tekisui
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM
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3. Yep -- they usually have signs showing the last point at which you can "electioneer"
and wearing a t-shirt or button supportive of a
candidate is considered just that ...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM
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4. I didn't know that -- thanks. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM
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5. bullshit. different places have different laws. And you can always
turn a tee inside out and avoid going home to change. You can remove a pin or a hat. Gad, people are such gullible suckers.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:28 PM
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9. I was told in TX that voters should not wear anything denoting who
they vote for. Gullible or not, them's the rules in some states.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:29 PM
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10. "I recieved an email"
ought to answer any questions.

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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
22. True, but it's ripe for election fraud.
The GOP won't be reading people their voter rights when they try to intimidate them.
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Allyoop Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:39 PM
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24. Call your BOE
Call the Board of Elections for your county. In Watauga County,NC the restrictions apply to actual campaigning for candidates.

As a precinct worker I can't wear any pins, etc. for Obama, but voters can. Voters have to be confronted if they begin to advocate for their preferred candidate while inside the polling place.

Campaigners have to stay away from polling place at a 50ft distance from the entrance. Past that distance they can campaign.

But different States and counties may have different restrictions.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:27 PM
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6. This was mentioned earlier this week on DU.
and appears to be true. No DU cross link I'm afraid. Have to turn your t shirts inside out etc.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:27 PM
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7. Don't wear campaign logos to the polls.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 01:28 PM by madaboutharry
I recall in 2004 it was "black hoodie day" for Kerry.

Just wear blue. Leave the shirts and buttons at home or take them off.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:27 PM
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8. There hasn't been electioneering allowed withing 100ft of the polls
in a long long long time. For anybody. You won't be "turned away" for once & all... just until you take off your button/hat/t-shirt, whatever
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:29 PM
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11. it's been the case for quite awhile.
i'm a selection judge, and we always have to tell people to cover up buttons, shirts, etc.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:29 PM
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12. suggestion
get a mccain-palin t-shirt, wear it over a regular shirt. when/if told you can't wear the t-shirt, take it off, throw in the dirt or mud puddle (if raining), stomp on it and tell the "poll police" that you were going to vote for mccain, but because of this fascist rule, you are now voting for Obama
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. the "poll police" are non-partisan about it.
as selection judges, both sides are treated equally when it comes to electioneering.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. so?
if you are going to "policed" at the polls, might as well make a political statement
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:40 PM
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25. ...
:eyes:
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:04 PM
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37. I'd love to be able to vote in a place like you describe. At the CHURCH where I vote
there are posters and literature around (guess which side is represented). Voters are assigned to machines based on party (no problem there, of course). The "judges" in charge are very explicit in their behavior and complaints are dealt with harshly.

If you want to vote, you have to follow their rules.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. document it and call the police.
the "rules" are the same for everyone- at the federal level. you'd have to check into what your state laws are.
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:13 PM
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42. Call the police! Who do you think helps them enforce their whims? The cops are the
muscle for the pukes in my county.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. get a video camera and document it...
you could make some big bucks.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:30 PM
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13. Yes, it's true - tho the distance from the polling place varies. Don't do it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:31 PM
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14. In most states this is true. You need to check your state's current laws.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:31 PM
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15. Yes. I thought everyone knew this? Why do you think the
people working the polls for a candidate are kept a certain distance from the actual polling room?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:31 PM
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16. Early this month when I voted in the Minnesota primary
I didn't take my Obama button off my jacket. I didn't think it was a big deal because the primary was just for state and local races and presidential candidates were not on the ballot.

On my way out the door after I voted, one of the election judges stopped me and said she just wanted to remind me that I should remember to remove all political buttons on election day. She said that, technically, I shouldn't have had it on for the primary, but she kind of had my attitude that it wasn't any big deal that day.

I can remember other years, seeing election judges just ask voters to remove buttons & put them in their pocket or purse but I do not recall ever seeing an election judge or a voter make a big deal out of it. But that's just my precinct.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:32 PM
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18. Yes, that's true.
In the last election in my town I remember a story in our local paper about a man who wore a t-shirt with a political logo on it. They would not let him vote. So he went back outside and turned his shirt inside out and tried again. Because the logo didn't show thru the shirt they let him back in and vote.

You should not wear any clothing items, buttons, hats or anything that promotes a candidate.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:32 PM
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19. turned away until you are "not campaigning" but you can't be banished from voting


Its ok.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:36 PM
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21. there is an old man
I always seem to vote at my polling place at the same time as an elderly gentleman ,probably in his 80s,and he does the same thing every time. He'll ask the poll worker, and not in a soft voice either "can you help me here? I don't see as well as I used to and I want to be sure I'm doing this right, I want to vote straight Democrat."

Every time, the poll worker goes and helps him, he thanks them, adding "I just wanted to be sure I didn't vote for any of those damn Republicans."

I have been ther with him at least 3 times, I have to wonder if its his little way of "stealth electioneering"

:rofl:
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:58 PM
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35. Don't ya love how old folks pull stuff like this? Gives us something to look forward to...nt
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:35 PM
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47. yes it does
I'm going to be a real shitass when I get to be a senior citizen :evilgrin:
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:39 PM
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23. Carry a jacket
and put it on if they give you grief.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. Hey!!!
That is not fair to Lon Chaney!:)
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:41 PM
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26. You will be asked to cover the shirt/pin/button at the polls, yes
According to the official rules, "Electioneering includes, but may not be limited to: the display or distribution of political badges, t-shirts, buttons, campaign literature, newspapers and magazines with political covers, hats, stickers, pins, and so on" and "would also include any discussions of a political nature by both voters and Precinct Election Officials (including on cell phones)"--this is illegal within 100 feet of the voting location and if the line of voters extends beyond the 100 ft mark, it is prohibited within 10 feet of any voter waiting to vote outside the safe zone."
(Franklin Co., Ohio, Board of elections training manual)

Don't go to the polls in campaign mode, please.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:44 PM
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27. When I work the elections (I'm a custodian for the lever machines)
I park my car with signs, stickers, and everything just outside the line. Here in NY it's 100 feet. I marked the line with my Republican counterpart. It's there in paint, and it's not moving! I think I'll put a warning sign on the car there too this year.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:44 PM
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28. Shouldn't you cut out the privacy statement at the end of the email?
We could all call the phone number in last line -- that'd be fun!

:eyes:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:46 PM
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29. In Arizona - you cannot wear campaign material within 75 feet
of the poll entrance. Needless to say this applies to ALL candidates and issues. You can wear a jacket over it, turn shirt inside out or whatever, as long as it is not visible.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:48 PM
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30. It's true. The last time you were asked to park someplace else
if you had any political bumperstickers. I didn't mind. At least they were asking anybody with any political bumpersticker to park on the street, so they weren't descriminating.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:51 PM
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32. Play it safe.
Don't give them ANY excuse to turn you away, deny your right to vote. You already know who you're voting for, and 99.99% of the people know who they're voting for at least by the time they get to the polling place. You're not going to sway anyone that has by that point decided to vote for the senile/zealot ticket.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:51 PM
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33. Depends on your state law. In Delaware, it is true

I had to take off my Obama hat to vote in our primary.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:53 PM
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34. True in Illinois. But you can't wear McCain stuff, either.
On election day, any kind of campaigning is prohibited in or near a polling place in Illinois.

Election laws vary from state to state, but I think it would be a mistake to allow it anywhere. While wearing a T-shirt is innocuous enough, the kind of electioneering that led to the prohibition gets out of hand. Better to just keep the polling place clean and neutral all around.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:02 PM
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36. Ok If you are turned away because you are wearing a OBAMA pin
Can't you just take the pin off and then go inside and vote. Or do they record your name and then bar you from coming back. This sounds odd to me, that they could ban you from voting if you remove the item in question.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:04 PM
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38. Yes it's true, just wear BLUE!!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:04 PM
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39. Of course it's true.
I'm a poll worker. We just tell people to take off their hats or buttons or whatever. We've never told someone they can't vote, though we might if they refused to cover up their gear. (I'm in NY, and people almost always have coats on.)

"They are banking that if you are turned away, you will not go home and change your clothes and return to the polls to vote." -- Who's THEY? People who work the polls WANT people to vote. We're all really into voting!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:14 PM
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43. I think...
"they" doesn't mean the people working at the polls but the people paid by campaigns to challenge voters.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:04 PM
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40. just wear blue, that's it.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 02:06 PM by alyce douglas
no names. if anyone questions it, say it's my favorite color!!!!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:25 PM
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45. How many times is this posted here?
When in doubt, call your local BOE.

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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:32 PM
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46. it has always been like this.
I was taught this in my American Government class years and years ago. They don't always enforce it--but they can. better safe than sorry.
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