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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:06 PM
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Bernie Sanders: I fear a Pelosi/Reid/Bush bailout that will damage Obama while McCain can oppose it
Senator Bernie Sanders told this to Thom Hartmann today. I fully agree.


Sanders believes this is Bush's October Surprise:

To force this massive bailout through Congress as a craven political machination that forces Reid and Pelosi to capitulate, harms Obama's chances in November as a direct result, and also transfers massive wealth from the middle class to the greedy corporate bastards at the Wall Street casino. Bush's trifecta.



Sanders' worst case scenario is a watered down bailout provided by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, as they go along with Bush, yet again, because they don't want to be painted as refusing to *rescue* the economy. So, by throwing in a few crumbs for regular people, they jump in line behind Bush. This will hurt Obama terribly, because he will then have to maneuver somewhere in the middle, yet feel enormous pressure from the people to break with his party, which should not be occurring immediately before an election. Will he? Or won't he? It puts Obama in a very bad position, 6 weeks from the election. And IT IS UNNECESSARY.


Meanwhile, John "I'm a Deregulator" McCain can run around, saying that he opposes the bailout, and will erupt like a demon against Obama if Obama votes for the Reid/Pelosi/Bush watered-down bailout.


In view of this revelation in today's Roll Call:

(White House Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto} insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials. He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough.



THIS BAILOUT WAS PREPARED MONTHS AGO??? JUST TO BE BROUGHT OUT NOW AS BUSH'S OCTOBER SURPRISE????



There should no longer be ANY DOUBT that this rushed, corporate bailout has been planned long in advance, only to be trotted out six weeks before the most critical election in our country's history, to force Democrats to act in an uncharted, precarious environment that has been totally created by the insatiable greed and gluttony of Bush's corporate pals.


Here is what Senator Sanders thinks should be done to raise $800 billion that Paulson claims he **needs now, and needs the FULL amount**:


1. Tell Paulson and Bernanke that they must go to their wealthy friends for money for this bailout, and NOT to the middle class. Put a surtax on couples making more than $1 Million a year. Sanders stated that that, in itself, would raise around $300 Billion.

2. Congress should make sure that the distressed assets are discounted appropriately, before buying them back, so as not to reward the perpetrators of this mess. Bernanke is already screaming about this:

Bloomberg: Bernanke Urges Against U.S. Buying Assets at `Fire-Sale' Prices

Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke signaled that the government should buy devalued assets at above-market values to make its proposed $700 billion rescue package most effective in combating the financial crisis.

``Accounting rules require banks to value many assets at something close to a very low fire-sale price rather than the hold-to-maturity price,'' Bernanke said in testimony to the Senate Banking Committee today. ``If the Treasury bids for and then buys assets at a price close to the hold-to-maturity price, there will be substantial benefits.''



3. For proof that speculators are driving the system out of control, look at the wild gyrations followed by the rapid rise in oil prices that happened yesterday. That rapid price rise had NOTHING to do with supply and demand.


4. If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.



For the love of America, people, bombard Reid and Pelosi to reject this bailout out of hand.







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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:10 PM
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1. I say let the financial market crash and burn.
It's probably going to end up doing it anyway, and that way the Dems can stick a label on the forehead of all Republicans crediting them for the huge mess.

The Republicans are responsible for this, and I think most Americans realize that.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:25 PM
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10. Indeed, the SECOND REPUBLICAN GREAT DRPRESSION!!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:10 PM
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2. I'm against the whole concept of the government buying bad investments...
...from the private-sector.

However, if the government isn't going to pay "above-market values" then the idea makes even less sense.

The private sector can buy products at market values.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:13 PM
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3. There is some more discussion about that possibility here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7155560

It seems a number of key member of the GOP are angling this way, including Newt Gingrich.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:13 PM
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4. yup-heard him as well
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:15 PM
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5. I swear to god, if Pelosi and Reid cave...
they deserve nothing less than to be tarred and feathered. I called Pelosi's office yesterday, which I hate doing because I feel she and her staff have something akin to contempt for 'the little people' and they will treat you as such. I was siphoned into voicemail, which I highly doubt she listens to. Her emails usually bounce back. I think both should be booted from the party of they let Bushco get away with this.

I did stress in my call that if they caved, it would lose the election for Obama. God help them if they fuck this one up.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:35 PM
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13. They always cave
Obama should oppose them if they do
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:15 PM
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6. Obama is the Leader of the Democratic Party and he had better
make a strong statement as to why this should either be passed or rejected. I trust Obama but not Reid or Peloisi or Schumar or even Dodd at this stage. Obama needs to tell the Party what is needed and be damn prompt about it.. He has assembled an economic team of legendary fame. He should be prepared by now to respond in Detail. If he doesn't act soon it very well may cost us the election..
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:18 PM
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7. K and R!!!! contact Pelosi and Reid NOW
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:22 PM
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8. If the Democrats stick together on this, I think they can really offer an effective counter.
Obama could say...OK, we see that Republican fiscal mismanagement has got us to this crisis moment, so here's how we'll raise the money

1) <Insert Sanders tax point here>
2) A huge taxcut for the middle class...this will increase the discretionary spending of millions, saving the mortgages and stimulating the economy.
3) A $150BB bailout that is paid for with equity ownership in the banks that are in trouble.
4) Increased regulations and oversight to assure these irresponsible Republican policies never threaten the American people again.

Deal or no deal?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:23 PM
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9. CALL TOLL-FREE NOW TO STOP THIS CRAP!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:25 PM
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11. we need to find out what the ReThugs r Blackmailing Pelosi with and expose it, only way to stop this
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:31 PM
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12. FAX numbers for Pelosi and Reid:
Pelosi: 202-225-4188

Reid: 202-224-7327


FLOOD THEM.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:41 PM
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14. I heard the question put to Paulson
that maybe they could give him part of the money and if the plan works, he could come back and ask for more later. Maybe that's what they'll do in the end.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:44 PM
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15. The rush is on to vote because Gingrich and McCain want to tie Obama to Bush with this bailout vote.
Gingrich and McCain want to bludgeon Obama over the head with it if he votes for it. They want to tie Obama to BUSH. And they want to do it on Friday night at the debate, if they can.


Gingrich: McCain should make bailout 'Obama-Bush' plan, Politico, September 23, 2008



PULL THE EMERGENCY BRAKE, REID AND PELOSI!!!!


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:44 PM
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16. If Obama supports this bail-out, then sadly, that's it = right wing duopoly.
Nothing matters if the GOP gut the Executive branch before Bush leaves. :(
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:17 PM
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17. Word!
We will find out what Obama is really made of this week.
The resolution of this "crisis" will require more than ambiguous rhetoric.
It will require publicly choosing between the Wall St CEOs and the Middle Class..



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:27 PM
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18. This is the most massive transfer of wealth to the top 0.1% from everyone else
in history. Any Democrat who votes for it deserves to lose.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:50 PM
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19. Now wait a minute! MCCAIN ALSO HAS TO VOTE!
He will not likely vote against it. So what can he say about OBama?
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