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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:48 PM
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why shouldn't capital gains be taxed at the same marginal rates as regular income?
one of the most completely immoral aspects of our tax code is that investment income is taxed at a lower rate than income earned through physical labor.

it just isn't right.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:52 PM
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1. Silly you!
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 05:54 PM by DontTreadOnMe
Rich people need to be taxed less on their profits so they can then let it trickle down to the little people.
Where have you been all these years of American Free Market Capitalism?

Rich people don't have the patience to let the poor trickle money up, that takes too much time.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:53 PM
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2. i thought it was all working just fine...
till i realized the 'trickle down' i was experiencing was somebody pissing on my head...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:58 PM
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3. it benefits the middle class also, sorry
what is obscene though is allowing corporations and 200k + incomes to go so lightly taxed
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:23 PM
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4. a big share of those 200K+ incomes have a sizeable proportion of investment income...
middle-class incomes- not so much.

just another reason why capital gains should be taxed as regular income.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:33 PM
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7. How do you know this?
a big share of those 200K+ incomes have a sizeable proportion of investment income...
How much is "a big share"? And how do you know what people that make that kind of money have as earned or unearned income anyway? Can you cite an article?

I don't make two hundred grand, not by a long shot. But I know plenty of couples who do, and they are just decent people who make a decent living. Damned few that I know that have that kind of income have very much of it as investment income, if any. They are raising kids, putting away for college for the kids and saving for their own retirement in tax deferred accounts. I think your assumption is a bit of a stretch, frankly.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:30 PM
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6. No, when you actually look at the numbers, it doesn't.
The benefits to the top .01% outstrip the breaks to the bottom 90%. It gives the illusion of benefit without actually accomplishing anything.

IIRC, the break even happens in the 98th percentile, hardly equitable.

Beyond the numbers how can you justify not taxing income for which nothing was done at a lower rate than that which is gained through exchanging our limited lifespan?


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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:25 PM
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5. 2008 Tax brackets and rates.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 06:25 PM by A HERETIC I AM


2008 tax rates and brackets

For single taxpayers

If taxable income is at least . . . But not more than . . . Your tax is:

$0 $8,025 10% of the amount over $0
$8,026 $32,550 $802.50 plus 15% of the amount over $8,025
$32,551 $78,850 $4,481.25 plus 25% of the amount over $32,550
$78,851 $164,550 $16,056.25 plus 28% of the amount over $78,850
$164,551 $357,700 $40,052.25 plus 33% of the amount over $164,550
$357,701 No limit $103,791.75 plus 35% of the amount over $357,700

For married couples filing jointly*

If taxable income is at least . . . But not more than . . . Your tax is:

$0 $16,050 10% of the amount over $0
$16,051 $65,100 $1,605 plus 15% of the amount over $16,050
$65,101 $131,450 $8,962.50 plus 25% of the amount over $65,100
$131,451 $200,300 $25,550 plus 28% of the amount over $131,450
$200,301 $357,700 $44,828 plus 33% of the amount over $200,300
$357,701 No limit $96,770 plus 35% of the amount over $357,700
* Or qualifying widow or widower

For married couples filing separately

If taxable income is at least . . . But not more than . . . Your tax is:

$0 $8,025 10% of the amount over $0
$8,025 $32,550 $802.50 plus 15% of the amount over $8,025
$32,551 $65,725 $4,481.25 plus 25% of the amount over $32,550
$65,726 $100,150 $12,775 plus 28% of the amount over $65,725
$100,151 $178,850 $22,414 plus 33% of the amount over $100,150
$178,851 No limit $48,385 plus 35% of the amount over $178,850

For heads of households

If taxable income is more than . . . But not more than . . . Your tax is:

$0 $11,450 10% of the amount over $0
$11,451 $43,650 $1,145 plus 15% of the amount over $11,450
$43,651 $112,650 $5,975 plus 25% of the amount over $43,650
$112,651 $182,400 $23,225 plus 28% of the amount over $112,650
$182,401 $357,700 $42,755 plus 33% of the amount over $182,400
$357,701 No limit $100,605 plus 35% of the amount over $357,700


Short term Capital Gains (short term means the security was held less than one calendar year before sale) are typically taxed at 35%.
Long term Capital Gains (long term means the security was held 366 days or longer before sale) are typically taxed at 15%.

I use the word "Typically" because if you are in the 10% bracket and you have a short term gain, it is taxed at 10% unless the gain pushes you above the next bracket threshold. (Tax preparers, please correct me if I have that wrong)

The above tables are from http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Common/Taxes/2007TaxBrackets.aspx
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