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Tue Sep-23-08 10:28 PM
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Should we do away with the Presidency? |
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I'm starting to think the risks outweigh the benefits. A disturbing number of countries with our general form of government have become dictatorships.
Would we be better off with a parliamentary form of government?
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:29 PM
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1. Maybe a board of directors. |
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:30 PM
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2. Hell no. We just need a better president |
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Like Obama. He will change your opinion when he takes office.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:32 PM
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That was the general theory, as I understood it, from the founders: don't trust people in high places. Obama would be a hell of a Prime Minister, too.
Also, the Constitution was written for more politically involved and (depressingly) more literate population than we are.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:33 PM
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4. We should do away with Republicans |
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:40 PM
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5. Good point, and welcome to DU |
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Let them go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:32 AM
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16. A fair number of Repubs are modern day Federalists |
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Anyone who supports the concepts of a Unitary Executive, the co-mingling of church and state, silencing critics with threats of jail or deportation, a provocative military stance and a party dominated by wealthy businessmen supports Federalist principles. That describes pretty much the entirety of the GOP, including most of the current administration.
It's well known (or should be) that Bush**'s appointee to Chief Justice of the SCOTUS, John Roberts, was a member of the Federalist Society in the late 90s.
The Federalists lost power 200 years ago and for good reason. But did we learn from history? Evidently not.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:40 PM
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6. No- ours is the best system in the world |
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A parliamentary government can much more easily become an electve dictatorship, as the executive effectively controls the legislature when its party has a big majority in parliament. This is what happened with Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair.
The Founding Fathers were geniuses; this system has served us well for 200+ years.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:44 PM
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7. But it's failed everywhere else |
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Most places this is tried it devolves into a dictatorship; the point of a parliamentary government is that the legislature can take down the government.
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Tue Sep-23-08 11:28 PM
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8. The problem is the career path of the legislators |
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Almost all of them want government jobs (or to be opposition spokesmen), and voting against their party is one way to ensure that they will remain backbenchers. It is very rare in the UK for a government with a large parliamentary majority to lose a vote in parliament; parliament effectively becomes a rubber-stamp for the executive. This is why Tony Blair could follow the chimp into Iraq despite the deep personal misgivings of many in the parliamentary Labor party.
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Tue Sep-23-08 11:46 PM
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9. a good thought! we live in the age of computers... |
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how about every morning when we wake up... a series of questions are presented to us.
should we do this? < > or should we do that < >?
they would have to explain thing to us to get us to vote the right way. right?
tell us the truth?
of course it would require that we all have computers and internet access. (but how hard would that be? come on!)
i saw a tv show tonight that said "years ago, radio would have been a dream..."
true that!
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Wed Sep-24-08 12:00 AM
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10. What we need is Twilight Zone's "Old Man in the Cave" |
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Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 12:01 AM by Kablooie
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Wed Sep-24-08 12:02 AM
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11. There has been enough shredding on the Constitution in the last 7.5 years |
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And that would be totally unconstitutional.
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Wed Sep-24-08 12:07 AM
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12. It is amendable, you know. |
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I don't think an amendment creating a parliamentary system would ever pass, but it is possible for that change to be made without shredding the constitution.
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Wed Sep-24-08 07:54 AM
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14. We were supposed to re-write one every 20 years or so |
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Read article 5: we're supposed to be having new Constitutional Conventions whenever 2/3rds of the states call for one.
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Wed Sep-24-08 12:07 AM
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13. Yes. In a parliamentary sytem it's easier to fire the bastards. |
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:04 AM
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15. This one and his master, Cheney, should be done away with ASAP |
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:04 AM
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17. We should be an anarcho-syndicalist commune |
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where we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
:evilgrin:
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