Does anyone else miss the "greatest" being sorted by time and being able to tell

[MelissaB]

where you left off reading if you leave your computer for an hour or so. There's no way to do that at this point. :cry:

[annabanana]

1. Yes.. that was a VERY useful feature for those of us who hate to

mss anything our fellow DUers found important...

[roguevalley]

60. I came back off and on all afternoon and the page never changes.

I don't get it but I appreciate Skinner and Company trying new things. I just miss the old page. It always changed.

[dhpgetsit]

99. I think there are too few ppl who rate a post somewhere below must read.

[canichelouis]

101. I agree

[PDittie]

2. The "Greatest" config really sucks.

All kinds of goo threads are just going to sink into the muck.

Please restore, Skinner. Please?

[adamuu]

95. I'm not sure the old way is best, but the new way is worse. n/t

[eShirl]

3. yes

[hootinholler]

4. That's exactly how I used the greatest page!

I do like having the last week's best up there, but I fear Im missing a lot of stuff from other sections that are important by not having the time based view.

Voted MUST READ!

-Hoot

[MelissaB]

6. Thanks, Hoot!

I can't find a darn thing on the greatest anymore and really miss that feature. It was the best feature of DU to me because I knew if a thread made the greatest, I'd see it.

:hi:

[hootinholler]

7. It's also limited to a max number of posts...

So now we only see the must reads with many votes. I don't care if they leave the greatest the way it is, but I'd like the timely view back somewhere.

-Hoot

[sunnystarr]

98. I so agree ... I can't figure out what the new stuff is now

so I know I'm missing important posts. Please Skinner restore the old page!

[tandot]

5. I do. Someone has to petition the admins to bring that back.

On the right the "greatest page" and on the left the threads who received 10 or more recs/must read with the newest ones on top.

[tandot]

8. K & R - n/t

[immoderate]

9. Yes bring it back!

It was my favorite feature too. They should move the week's best to another page.

--IMM

[slipslidingaway]

10. Yes yes yes yes yes yesssss!!! n/t

[MadrasT]

11. Yes. I miss it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. IT IS MESSED UP - MY GREATEST OR MOST READ THREAD IS NOT THERE

If you log out my post is not on that page.... But if you are logged in it shows.

LOGGED OUT SCREEN CAPTURE




Notice what is included and excluded!!!!



*******************************************************************************************************





Its not there



LOGGED IN SCREEN CAPTURE


Notice that it doesn't have the same items.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Please alert this post to point out the tech problems they have

with their greatest page.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. Looks like GDP threads aren't appearing, if one is logged out

I get it too. I'll let admin know.

[intheflow]

43. I found two threads that aren't appearing - 1 in GDP and 1 in GD.

And I'm logged in. Found these two threads on the homepage where the old rating system is still up, if greatly limited. One is by kpete with 20 "must read" votes! :wtf:

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

14. I do.

This new thing takes forever to load, too.

[tandot]

15. Hey guys! How about rating this thread a "Must Read" so it gets more exposure?

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Done and please alert my post above pointing out the tech problems

I have found with the screen shots I provided.

[tandot]

17. I alerted. Hopefully, they'll fix the problem.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. It also has 24 hours and a 72 hour heading that is misleading

Load time also has problems.

[Patsy Stone]

18. done and done! (nt)

[Triana]

20. YEP. I deffo don't like this new Greatest thing. n/t

[MelissaB]

21. Even with 13 votes, this doesn't show up on the "greatest".

:shrug:

[tandot]

23. It was there a while ago and now dropped off with 15 "Must Read" votes

Have you contacted the admins about it?

[MelissaB]

24. No, but I will.

[madfloridian]

22. I had a post moved off Greatest the second they installed it.

I don't like this system. I never got Greatest page very often, and seldom if ever thought about it.

I concentrate more on writing a good post, but I do resent having a post marked down because it is a video of Howard Dean.

It shows divisions here.

[MelissaB]

25. So a post will leave the greatest if it's marked down?

[madfloridian]

28. I don't know exactly how it works.

My post of the Dean interview in the video forum had just hit greatest with about 7 votes, I think.

I know it was there, then it was not.

Then it was marked downward..I think...from Must Read to Recommend.

There is no doubt the interview was good, so that could not have been the reason.

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. I can't even find your posts anymore.

[slipslidingaway]

31. If I say I tried that last night will I be tombstoned...

I did not think my rating the top thread as disruptive would move it from the first post on the GP to wherever it went???

:shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. This is what happens when you try to automate the mod's job.

[ihavenobias]

26. I share your concern about "skip it"

I think some people will abuse it and mark down threads because they have a personal axe to grind with the poster or the content.

IMO, it's important to be an objective movie reviewer with this new system. For example, if a critic knows he dislikes the genre of Westerns and he's reviewing 3:10 To Yuma, he should acknowledge that (for example) the acting and scenery are excellent and that fans of Westerns will love it.

A bad critic will just say "it sucks, skip it".

I just rambled that out but hopefully you get the idea.

[madfloridian]

29. Yes, I agree.

Many have an ax to grind with some politicians and with posters like me who wrote about the primary problems in Florida. Some disagree but show respect, others will never forget that I called names during the primary.

It's sad, but things are so heated that there will be abuse.

When I saw the "skip it" appear on my post about the Gospel Today magazine with women pastors on the front...it really hit me hard.

It worries me...that potential of inserting personalities.

[intheflow]

36. I posted that same concern in Skinner's thread last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7157480&mesg_id=7161744

I like the new rating system, except for the "skip it" and "disruptive" parts. Why open individuals up for targeted abuse like that? And why even have the disruptive option when we have an alert button? :shrug:



BTW, I rated your Gospel magazine story a "must read." Hopefully that will cancel out the "skip it".

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. Sounds like this new process is going to squelch speech, not encourage it.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

93. Yes, I think that "skip it" is down right rude.

..If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all. Let it drop.

:hi:

[ihavenobias]

111. Straight from Thumper's mom?

:)

[intheflow]

30. I do.

I used to use the GP as my primary "forum." I saw all kinds of stuff there, the best of the best, but also a lot of stuff that only had, maybe, 10 votes but it was interesting to me, and always got another vote from me. Now I'll actually have to go into each forum to search for those gems which will take a lot more time. I like the new way to rate, but instead of having the week's best, maybe having "Must Read" and "Recommended" reading would be better, or a link up top to the "Recommended" threads. I also like the idea someone else suggested here, maybe moving the Week's Best to another page.

I also really miss the sorting by time and the being able to see quickly where I left off--I used the GP that way all the time.

Edited to add: thankfully, this was on the bottom of the new GP - the last post on the page - or I never would have seen it.

[kickysnana]

32. Yes! n/t

[Mrs. Overall]

33. Yes, I miss it.

[eleny]

34. I agree with you

I usually go to the Greatest when I'm very busy and want to find out what's happening in the world at a glance.

First thing I noticed today was that the format changed and isn't as helpful to me.

[RedEarth]

35. Yes... so I'm going to KMR this thread

[Mabus]

37. That's the only thing I don't like

Otherwise I'm good. I especially like being able to recommend something and staying on the same page. So much nicer than having to hit the "back" button and then the "view all" button so I can read the comments.

I swear, before, every time I recommended a post I ended up giving it half a dozen's worth of "views".

[DeepModem Mom]

38. OMG, YES!

[woo me with science]

39. Yes.

I didn't realize it was gone, but I have used it in the past and would like it to stay.

Bring that back. Get rid of this terrible rating system.

[girl gone mad]

40. Agreed.

There's no difference between the left and right columns on the Greatest page.

[intheflow]

42. No difference now b/c the right-hand column

will rank the top rated stories for the week. The system's been in operation less than 24-hours, so it looks just about identical now, but that will change, probably by the end of tomorrow.

[girl gone mad]

64. You're right.

I've already stopped looking at the greatest page. I just don't find it usable anymore.

[the other one]

41. Please change it back.

[jannyk]

44. Yes!!! While I like that the best threads stay around for a week...

I hate the rest of it.

[Native]

45. Some retooling, please?

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. I found a way to work your way around it.

Just go in and out of every thread whether you want to read it or not. Then they'll be purple and you can spot the new ones the next time you come in. Just make sure you don't have to clean all your history for any reason.

[intheflow]

51. Go in and out of every thread in every forum.

*sigh*

[The Backlash Cometh]

57. On the Greatest Page.

I know. It sucks.

[bvar22]

48. K & (whatever).

The old way was better.
Please bring it back.
:patriot:

[intheflow]

49. Another problem with the new system: lack of variety on the GP.

People post the same stories in different forums (and sometimes in the same forum). So take for example the story about McCain wanting to cancel the debate. It's posted in LBN, GD, GDP, maybe there's even a version in Editorials and Politics/Campaigns. That's five versions of the same news item that could all get 25 votes for "must read". On a GP that only lists the 50 top rated stories, that one story takes up a disproportionate amount of space. It could be the biggest story of the year, but one story taking up a tenth of the GP crowds out a lot of other great stuff.

[brystheguy]

52. I hate to say it, but. . .

I now find the Greatest Page boring to read. I used to be able to get on and read at least 5-6 cool new posts every hour. Now, I find myself seeing the same threads over and over every time I get on. I don't really go in to a lot of the different forums to look at all of the posts. I liked coming here and seeing quickly what was going on.

[intheflow]

63. You're right, it is boring now.

I think the weekly greatest threads will even be worse, frankly. God knows politics is so fast-paced that many things posted on Mondays are already outdated by Tuesday evening. But to have them hang around for a week just because they were the craze on a particular day is, well, boring.

[Rocky2007]

53. Darn tootin right I am!

I had just been thinking the same thing a few threads up.

[Left coast liberal]

54. Now that you mention it, YES!

I was just trying to figure out what the difference is.

It's not chronological anymore?

I don't think I like it as much.

Can we go back?

[phusion]

55. Yes n/t

[Laurab]

56. Me! I hate the new system & K & Must Read your OP! nt

[elehhhhna]

61. Me three. I HATE IT

[pamela]

58. Yes!

I check DU throughout the day by going to the Greatest Page and seeing what's new. This system is frustrating.

[xynthee]

59. I don't want to sound ungrateful . . .

. . . but I hate it, too! Why would they change it? How could this new version possibly be useful to anyone?

[Boxerfan]

62. No sir...I don't like it..

Quoting Ren & Stimpy horse but it is concise...

I got harranged for being a Grumpy old Man-Not liking the new format. IMHO they can do this after the friggin elections.

But I'd prefer the old school board as an option at least.

Another stupid feature is there are now side/side greatest threads-for the most part identical threads.Waste of space.

Then there's the "WTF is up NOW" categorie...I can't find didle squat in this format w/o a lengthy-unescessary-search.

IT SUCKS!

[wildflowergardener]

65. Yes

Yes I do.

I usually just read the newest ones to the greatest page every time I came to the page. Also I wish that you could get more than one page of greatest. I just hit recommend for this one - not realizing that you had to post it Must Read if you wanted it on the greatest page. It would be nice if there was a place to read the recommended threads as well.

Greatest is usually the only page I read - I don't bother to go into the individual forums unless it's the topic forums, so I prefer it to hold all the posts that people recommend even if it's not got quite as many recommendations as the very top ones.

Also, I'm afraid any posts I would start would get Skip It, then I'd never bother again to post : ( not that I do so much now anyway. Maybe have the skip it and disruptive be hidden even if they do affect the total rating.

Meg

[tbyg52]

66. I don't like it this way, at all (well, at least the majority of it)

I thought I did at first, because recommending something no longer causes the whole page to reload, which is a big consideration to us dialuppers.

HOWEVER....

A lot of things I'm interested in no longer make the Greatest (the five-and-ten-rec kind of things). I guess I could go to the individual forums, but I don't really want to, except in a few cases - I just want to see everything that even a few people found interesting.

The seven-day Greatest is wonderful, I must admit - I used to miss things if I wasn't on the computer every day.

On the other hand, I don't spend nearly as much time on DU with it this way, which may be a good thing - it got quite addictive at times, and I really ought to get off the computer more.

I also notice that not too many short statements make it to the Greatest now, and I used to enjoy them.

I really think I preferred just knowing how many people thought other people should take a look, and nothing else.

Before, DU seemed to me like a chat room with news, and now, it basically seems like just a news aggregator with a liberal bent. I guess I could go down and read the comments, but for some reason in the new format I don't. Maybe because by the time something gets on the new version of the Greatest and I see it, I figure it's already been talked out.

Not complaining, I guess - I *do* need to get off the computer more.

[bleever]

84. That's a great synopsis

that coincides with my own feelings.

And when someone says, I guess it's better that I don't spend as much time on you, it's not a great sign. (Especially when they're thinking: I wish you were still as rewarding as before.)

[wildflowergardener]

67. Thread

I'm trying to figure out how to get back to the thread that said they were changing the rating system so I could comment there - I thought it would have been on the greatest page, but I can't find it. Also as others have said the page never changes - I don't have to check DU as often though I guess.

I guess I'll have to go through the latest forum first now instead of just greatest, though It's a lot to sort through - or maybe General Discussion rather than greatest - I think those sort by what is recent. Or, I wish in the latest forum you could set your preferences to filter out posts that are not either must read or recommended, then we'd sort of have the function of the old greatest page if we wanted it and wouldn't have to go through so many messages to find the new, good ones.

Editing to add, I found the thread about the rating system - I just sorted the general discussion by how many posts a thread had and it jumped to the top. If you can sort like that, I don't see why they couldn't make it so you could sort the latest page by rating (and show the ratings on latest) then we'd have what we want I think.

Meg

[uppityperson]

68. Doesn't "mark" mark all the posts up to when you mark them?

I've used that so I can see what is new when I return.

[MelissaB]

71. That works if you go into every forum. Many people don't have time for that, and

there are many days I don't go into the forums and only read what's on the greatest to try to catch up.

[uppityperson]

72. If you go to "discuss" link/page, it says "mark all". I did it by accident once

and had to get help to figure out what I did. It marks at least all the forums you have listed on the main "discuss" page.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

70. As posts rose on the board, the efforts of other DUers in sifting through the multitude

of posts in different forums was very useful in spotting the latest breaking stories deserving more attention. The top left of the page from the 'Greatest Page' was an invaluable resource.

[Prophet 451]

73. I miss being able to find the toons easily

Do you think we can agitate for a toons forum?

[Shanti Mama]

74. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm on the other side of the world and check DU first thing in the morning. Now I'm having a more difficult time figuring out what went on yesterday (your today, Wednesday).

[wildeyed]

75. I miss it sooooo much.

It is particularly difficult to be without it at this particular moment when news is moving so quickly. I liked being able to hit the Greatest page when something hit and see immediately what was going on from the newly posted threads. Now all I see is old stuff :(

[bleever]

76. Yes!!

Thank you, MB!

:hi:

[NMDemDist2]

77. they're tweaking it as you post

it's looking different already

[MelissaB]

78. Oh, God! I love tweats.

:woohoo:

[xynthee]

79. Jesus! Hasn't it been fixed yet??!!

This is HORRIBLE!!

[texpatriot2004]

80. I do nm

[Fly by night]

81. I agree. It was tough to sometimes have to wade through 12 "Greatest" OPs on the same topic ...

... but the old way certainly made it easier to keep up with breaking stories and to get a broad range of topics in front of us fast.

Maybe a solution would be to go back to the old way, but simply require more votes before an OP appears on the "Greatest" page. In my time here, we've gone from 3 to 5 recs -- how about going up to 8 or 10? That might help reduce some of the fluff and redundancy, and yet allow us the benefits of the "old school" way.

Just my two cents worth -- before the Wall Street bail-out reduces that to one red cent.

[bluesmail]

82. I'm resistant to change. I'm waiting for it to HIT ME.

:evilgrin:

[autorank]

83. I have no idea how this works. k*r

I've got a post with 15 "must read" recs, 20 "Replies," and 24 "Views" So 60% of those who viewed it recommended it and 80% plus of those who viewed it replied.

Go figure. k*r whatever that means.

[mhatrw]

85. Overall, the old system was far simpler & superior, IMHO.

[Silver Gaia]

86. I also find the new system to be not as useful to me.

I used the old system every day to find out which were the hot topics of that day. And I appreciated being able to see the posts both in chronological order and in order of most recommendations. Isn't there some way we could have BOTH the new system and a page with the old system, too? I don't know the tech behind all of this, but I definitely miss the old GP. :(

[2008]

87. YES!!! I was using the greatest page like a "latest-best" page

and these new changes have ruined the experience for me

but

on the other hand

it sure is nice to see certain despicable people who used to litter the greatest page suddenly banished to the lower decks by the throngs of DUers who have grown to hate them

so that's kind of cool

[dmr]

88. I agree. I rely on the Greatest Page (it's my homepage, too) It's all confusion now. n/t

[Lochloosa]

89. Bingo. Where are the "5's"

[MelissaB]

112. Lost or buried.

:(

[Lochloosa]

113. Never to be seen again

[OakCliffDem]

90. I miss it too

[Inspired]

91. Yes, that is how I read the posts on DU.

First I would go to the latest page and scroll through a couple of pages. Then I would go to the greatest page to see the threads that I might have missed that were highly recommended by the community.

I'm no fan of the changes they have made. I've seen some great threads rated 'average'. I don't want the DU turned into something that is trying to imitate dailykos.

[Dystopian]

92. KandR...or MUST READ

I don't like this new and improved set-up at all. I'm old, hate change, so nothing new.
The whole thing sucks. I've never said that DU sucks before, but it does now.
Why bother with a rating system? What purpose?
I hardly post, got most of my post count with KandRs...big deal.
Good grief, kiddies!
This sucks.
I just got up, and I get up crabby.
Good morning, and have a nice day everyone.

peace~

[corkhead]

94. It was a great chronological sort, now I am lost.

[danimich1]

96. Can't stand it now!

Switch it back, please!

[smoogatz]

97. k&r

Yeah, the new greatest page format blows. The same stories stay at the top of both pages forever. I liked being able to check in and see what was new at the top of the left column without having to scroll down. And down. And down. That said, I like the "skip it" function a lot.

[vssmith]

100. Add me to those who prefer the old way

[Danascot]

102. How about a "Greatest: Classic View" option?

or a database view page of posts with 5+ recommends that is sortable or filterable by time and other parameters?

You can do a lot with computers ... let's do it!

[MelissaB]

110. I would love that.

:hi:

[OneBlueSky]

103. absolutely . . . add me to the "bring back the old list" folks . . .

I really miss the old timed listing, since that's always been by first entre to DU each day and how I keep up with what people are talking about . . . please bring back the old list, DU! . . .

[Pirate Smile]

104. I like being able to see the new stuff. I've already seen the old stuff.

It makes the GP much less useful for me. :(

[RedEarth]

105. Sure do

[here_is_to_hope]

106. This new outline sucks. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

107. kick n/t

[wvbygod]

108. Not. One. Bit.

But then again I never was one to let opinion of others distract me from forming my own.

[MelissaB]

109. That's exactly what this new form does unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying.

:shrug: