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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:14 AM
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As a single parent I'm really offended and insulted by this guy
(Note: I would have posted in the parenting group, but there's so little traffic there)

My wife was watching The View this morning, and they had Alec Baldwin on, probably because he just won an Emmy, and seems to be promoting a book, but they're asking him about his court problems. If you recall, a transcript of an answering machine message was released of a call he made to his daughter (who I think was 12). Part of it goes like this:

"Once again, I have made an axx of myself trying to get to a phone. You have made an axx out me of for the last time. Three letters: ABA. A, Always, B, Be, A, Answering. Always be answering. Always be answering. AIDA. Attention. Interest. Decision. Action. Attention. Do I have your attention? Interest. Are you interested? I know you are 'cause it's pick up the phone or get your axx straightened out.

You answer or you get hit with a brick. Decision. Have you made your decision to pick up the phone? And action. AIDA. Pick up the goddamn phone. You got a call coming in, you think I made it because I've got nothing better to do? I could be shouting sxxx at random people on the street, but I'm calling you. I don't care that you're twelve or eleven or whatever, are you pig enough to pick it up? I'm a good father, and you're a pig.

I don't give a sxxx. Good father. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you thoughtless pain in the axx? AIDA. Get mad you daughter-of-a-bxxxx. Get mad. You know what it takes to answer my call? It takes brass balls to answer my call. Go and do likewise. The phone is ringing, you pick it up, it's yours, you don't, I got no sympathy for you. I'd wish you good luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you got it. You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me. Pig. Oh, also, tell your mother I said "Go xxxx yourself." This is Dad, ring me back when you get a chance."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/224840/transcript_of_the_alec_baldwin_voicemail.html


On the show he's making the claim that the courts screwed him over because they want the "perfect parent" which (he claims) is hypocritical, because none of them in their real life is probably a perfect parent either, and he thinks he's being judged to a higher standard, when he's just trying to be a father.

Although I'm recently remarried, I was a single father for many years, effectively bringing my son up from early on by myself. I am not a perfect parent by any stretch of the imagination (if there is such a thing), but never ever could I conceive of leaving such a message for my son, much less later, when presented with the transcript, dismiss it by saying the courts are expecting too much and it's everyone's fault but mine.

He was trying to make it sound like being a single father is so hard that stuff like that is acceptable. It is work, I grant you that, but parenting is more than just providing food and shelter. In fact, food and shelter is the least of it, and he seems to be missing that fact, and I find it really offensive that he says something to the effect that he's being considered negatively on the basis of one phone call, which he dismisses as nothing.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a toxic influence on his child, and I feel badly for his daughter, and as someone who raised a child of the same age without benefit of my being a movie star and having the perks that go with it, I find it really insulting and it does a disservice to single dads everywhere.

The guy needs help, his daughter perhaps more (as a result), and I apologize for this rant, but it really pissed me off. I don't think he's that swift an actor either, but that's neither here nor there.

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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:16 AM
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1. you are right on
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:18 AM
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2. He needs help with his temper.
He may be suffering from a clinically-treatable problem.

That's what I get from that transcript, anyway.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:28 AM
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3. Somebody lost their temper
OH MY GOD!!!!

:eyes:

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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:47 AM
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6. Someone could lose their temper and hit a spouse, would THAT be acceptable?
Abuse is abuse. He ABUSED his daughter.

People can lose their temper without being abusive. Telling a child to tell her mother to f*** herself IS abuse.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:48 AM
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7. People can fuck up their kids all kinds of ways
Self-righteous judgmental snobs only look at temper because it serves their purpose.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:57 AM
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13. We all have our "limits"
Apparently yours and mine are different.

Have a nice day.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:01 PM
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16. Mine is lying and manipulation
Yes, I'd much rather have someone be upfront about their anger and call me a pig; then to play all kinds of mind-games or be manipulative behind my back. You know, like releasing a private tape to turn the public against my father, without ever admitting their own parenting faults.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:05 PM
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18. I never said her mother was blameless.
I simply said his behavior was abusive. To dismiss his behavior with an eye roll and a comment about tempers is not helpful to the broader subject of abuse. Verbal abuse can be VERY destructive.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:08 PM
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20. People can fuck up their kids all kinds of ways
There is all kinds of verbal abuse. The people who engage in *other* kinds of abuse never admit theirs, they always point to the outburst as the most horrific. It's not. It's all bad.

And frankly, if this is the worse thing that ever happens to this child, she should count herself blessed. And it is the worst, otherwise they we would have known the other horror stories.

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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:56 AM
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12. No it wouldn't be "acceptable."
That's why such a person gets help.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:35 AM
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4. I feel bad for the kid, BOTH her parents have issues.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:36 AM
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5. When I heard that call ---
I thought to myself, 'If my dad talked to me like that, I wouldn't be picking up the phone either!' I was just shocked to hear him speak that that to his daughter - many here on DU defended him saying parents loses it sometimes, but I think that is just bullshit. You can get and be angry with your child without resorting to that kind of damaging language and overresponse.

He has a notoriously bad temper and is simply trying to find any bullshit excuse to make up for what is essentially HIS problem.

Get some damn therapy, dude. :eyes:

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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:55 AM
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10. Agreed
Parents do lose it. That is granted, but there are consequences for losing it the way he did and leaving it there in the open to be dissected. I remember working the late shift in a mental health facility. Chasing drug dealers off the site, catching intoxicated psychiatric patients trying to sneak themselves and their drugs and alcohol on to the site. I remember being tired when I got home to a baby that did not want to go to sleep. I remember thinking "Please just go the hell to sleep!!!" In fact I remember many time in my son's life being frustrated with him, being frustrated with his mother (my ex), and just being frustrated with life in general. I remember thinking thoughts that were not pleasant and definitely not politically correct. The difference is that I always remembered that my job in life when it comes to my son is to teach him to be a healthy person and that you don't create a healthy person by berating them, calling them vile names, and issuing vague threats.

Sorry, but this is an example of a person with an inflated sense of self who thinks that his mere presence should inspire respect and obedience. Respect is earned by actions that inspire trust and confidence. Last time I checked, being called a pig, and being asked to pass on a message to my mother to "go f@#k herself" did not inspire my respect.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:53 AM
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8. Alec Baldwin is one of those people who...
I find to be just vile. There is nothing I like about him.
He is just and awful parent and spouse. :puke:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:53 AM
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9. I'm not going to judge the guy other than to say I've heard other parents say
some pretty mean and awful stuff to their kids along those same lines. None of it is acceptable in the least. His gets played all over the news though.

And as far as how good of an actor he is, do you watch "30 Rock"?


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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:56 AM
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11. Yes, he's a toxic influence on his child..
and so is the child's mother who released that message to the media, and turned a personal family problem into national gossip circus with the child in the center ring. That poor child. I hope she at least has a grandparent that can be her refuge from two parents that are destroying their child with their egos.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:25 PM
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21. Exactly n/t
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:57 AM
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14. If I hadn't heard about this...
...when it first happened, I might have thought this was some kind of joke.

" This is Dad, ring me back when you get a chance."

Uh, OK. Sure.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:00 PM
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15. Ummm, isn't that pretty much his speech from "Glengary Glenn Ross"?
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 12:01 PM by shadowknows69
You need original anger Alec. Or at least do something from Hunt for Red October. I love that flick.

Edit to add: are we sure it wasn't a joke? I mean it, its very similar to a rant he did in a movie.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:02 PM
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17. Sounds like the kid's a brat.
I've no problem with that phone call.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:00 PM
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22. WOW! Just flabbergasted by your comment
If you think this is OK and you have children, I pray that God will watch over them.

Even if your kid is a "brat" there is no reason to talk to an 11 or 12 year old in this manner.

My father called me similar names when I was a child and a teenager and it has left a scar on me.

Whatever, go ahead, write me back and tell me I probably deserved it.....

One wouldn't expect anything different from an individual who thinks this is OK.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:06 PM
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19. Alec Baldwin as Blake in "Glengarry Glen Ross" quotes
Blake: A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing, always be closing.

Blake: Good father? Fuck you! Go home and play with your kids. You wanna work here - close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a sit? You don't like it, leave.

Blake: You want to know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes BRASS BALLS to sell real estate.

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Blake: A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action. Attention - Do I have you attention? Interest - Are you interested? I know you are, because it's fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks. Decision - Have you made your decision for Christ? And Action.

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Blake: A-I-D-A. Get out there - you got the prospects coming in. You think the came in to get out of the rain? A guy don't walk on the lot lest he wants to buy. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their money. Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?


These are sound bytes from the movie
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:23 PM
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24. true...Baldwin is having a little fun adapting a famous scene into his message
i wonder how many other actors do the same thing? the mind wonders....

almost every single line from that movie is quotable..."Any asshole who talks to that asshole is a fuckin' asshole!"
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:15 PM
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23. I thought the phone message was abusive
There's nothing about it that says "You're my daughter and I care about you."

Kim B. was equally at fault for releasing it to the public, when it should have been resolved with whatever courts they are working with.

I really feel sorry for that kid for both of her parents and I hope we won't be reading about how she's doing drugs a couple of years from now.
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