Did anyone else receive this anti-Islamic DVD from the Clarion Fund

[Zuiderelle]

Just received this in the mail today. It's a pre-release 1-hour edition.



I heard about these being put into newspapers, but directly mailed? This pisses me off.

[Bill219]

1. I got it one morning in my newspaper

The Charlotte Observer

I called for an explanation, they fed me crap...I canceled my subscription

[Rambis]

2. My parents did

they still don't know how to use the DVD player I got them which is for the best. Both late 80's Iowans for Obama all the way!

[wvbygod]

5. Why is it best they don''t see it?

Most adults can make their own judgments on something if they are allowed to see or read it.

[sweetpotato]

3. We received it at the office

I work for a university and we received this thing inside our copy of "The Chronicle on Higher Education."

I couldn't believe it and wanted to cancel the subscription, but we aren't allowed to cancel it per upper administration policy.

It met my garbage can quickly.

[wvbygod]

6. Could not believe what?

Please explain what was unbelievable about it.

[Zuiderelle]

8. I get the feeling that you know about this film and don't object to it?

[wvbygod]

12. Then your feeling is wrong. I REALLY want to know what is anti-Islam about it

Can you tell me?

All the links I have seen only discuss who put it out and refuse to indicate what is "wrong" with it.

[Zuiderelle]

22. And everything you've posted on this thread leads me to believe that you are ok

with anti-Islamic propaganda.

[wvbygod]

30. I am firmly against anything "anti-Islam" and propaganda in general

Perhaps you could document what is "anti-Islam" about the video?

If you "believe" the video is "anti-Islam", then please try to point it out.

[Zuiderelle]

40. Sure you are.

If you are so against propaganda, why wouldn't you object to this being mailed to battleground states to sway votes, whether it's anti-Islam, or just anti-Radical Islam... since it's clear from the notes in it, that it is meant to influence people's votes?

Your question, which has been asked only by you numerous times now, has been answered VERY plainly by numerous people. I think you should just shut the fuck up and go find another thread to shit on.

[sweetpotato]

21. The Chronicle is not the appropriate venue/forum/whatever you call it

My surprise was that the Chronicle agreed to distribute this dvd.

It makes me think that the Chronicle has a problem with Muslims. We have not yet received a dvd about the dangers of radical Christianity, nor one on radical Buddhism, or paganism, or Judaism. Why single out Islam?

And why would a publication devoted to matters of Higher Education concern itself with religious stuff of this nature?

I confess I have not seen the dvd - is there a whole bunch of stuff about how Muslims intend to destroy colleges and universities in the United States?

[wvbygod]

4. Can you expand a little on what is anti-Islam about the DVD?

Truly curious since I have not seen the thing.

[Zuiderelle]

7. I haven't seen it, as it just came, but from researching it here and elsewhere online

it's pretty clear that it's anti-Islamic, from nearly all the sources I've read.

http://wearechange.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/the-clarion-fund-and-obsession-radical-islams-war-against-the-west/

http://www.metafilter.com/74981/The-Clarion-Call-of-Obsession

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_Fund

http://fortyninepercenter.blogspot.com/2008/09/clarion-funds-role-in-getting-obsession_17.html

http://christianpost.com/article/20080922/mass-distribution-of-obsession-raises-flags.htm

[wvbygod]

11. Thank for the links but not one discusses what is in the video

They clammer about the fact it was mail and by whom.

Why is it too much to ask what about the DVD is offensive and anti-Islam?

[Sebastian Doyle]

65. Daniel "Crack" Pipes is one of the idiots behind this DVD

He is a militant Islamaphobic genocidal bastard who basically wants to kill every last Muslim on the planet. The Wuermsers are also involved in this, and they are Likudist Israelis who are also charter members of PNAC.

Oddly enough, McCain's foreign policy team just happens to be the most extreme wing of PNAC. The people that even Dick Fucking Cheney thought were too crazy to work with.

[nycmjkfan]

9. Yep got mine

in the mail 2 days ago here in Florida.

My dad, who is a Bushbot, got it last week and eagerly showed it to me........I saw it, shrugged my shoulders and said it was GOP propaganda

[babylonsister]

10. Muslim group seeks probe of 'radical Islam' DVD

Muslim group seeks probe of 'radical Islam' DVD

By ERIC GORSKI – 1 day ago


A U.S. Muslim advocacy group Tuesday asked the Federal Election Commission to investigate whether a nonprofit group that distributed a controversial DVD about Islam in newspapers nationwide is a "front" for an Israel-based group with a stealth goal of helping Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

The promoters of "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" denied trying to promote any presidential campaign. They said it's also incorrect to tie the DVD campaign to Jerusalem-based educational group Aish HaTorah International, although current and former employees are involved with the project.

The Council for American-Islamic Relations asked the FEC to investigate the DVD distribution, which targeted about 28 million households mostly in battleground election states.

The DVDs — which critics call anti-Muslim propaganda — were inserted this month into more than 70 newspapers and paid for by the Clarion Fund, a nonprofit founded in 2006. The group's focus is "the most urgent threat of radical Islam." It has declined to identify board members or its funding.

Never picked up for traditional distribution, "Obsession" features scenes of Muslim children being urged to become suicide bombers, 9/11 carnage and interviews with critics of Islam.

more...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iEsmhiNuC1Aio2bPql9Iw1z6I3ywD93COGEG1

[wvbygod]

13. Yet they still can't say what is "anti-muslim" about it.

>"Obsession" features scenes of Muslim children being urged to become suicide bombers, 9/11 carnage

And their point is what? This stuff did and does occur.

Why is everyone afraid to just say what is anti-Muslim or untrue about the video?

[babylonsister]

15. They're providing a portrait of ALL Muslims as terrorists. Sorry

if you think that's okay; I don't.

[wvbygod]

16. That is not true according the the hard to find reviews I have found

The video makes it very clear that they are discussing the extremist wing of Muslim faith
and give good regards to the Islam followers of peace.

Why are you spreading an untruth about the video? If you insist on your stance, could
you please provide some evidence that supports "They're providing a portrait of ALL Muslims as terrorists?"

thank you.

[babylonsister]

19. Why are you defending this trash. Do you have a stake in its success?

You do know why there was such a broad free release of it, don't you? Here, let me refresh your memory:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[wvbygod]

23. I am not defending anything. Waiting for evidence of its "anti-Islam" content

If you don't have any evidence that it is "anti-Islam" then you can just say so. As for defending
something I have not yet seen, you are mistaken or projecting something untoward on me.

If you can show what is "anti-Islam", that would be a great starting point. Is there some reason
you won't provide any evidence of the video and its suspected "anti-Islam" content?

[Zuiderelle]

36. Instead of waiting like a bump on a log, since you are the only one who doesn't understand

why don't YOU go find evidence that it is NOT anti-Islam? I bet you will find only right-wing sources to back that up. That certainly would be telling.

[wvbygod]

39. Complete nonsense

The OP made the claim. Not one single person here can even attempt to show any evidence of it.

What's up with that?

[Zuiderelle]

41. Yes, I, the OP made the claim, and have answered it. Please stop asking sucha stupid question.

[wvbygod]

43. Then please point me to the evidence that supports the claim the video is "Anti-Islam"

Thank you.

[Zuiderelle]

46. The evidence is that it is a scare tactic, painting all Islamists as Radical and even admits that it

is intended to provide "information" for people to vote for the candidate that will most protect Americans from this threat. You are being ridiculous obtuse by not understanding the clear insinuation in the title itself. "RADICAL ISLAM'S WAR AGAINST THE WEST"

It's the politics of fear. No more evidence is required than the film itself and the marketing. Go watch it yourself if you love fear so much.

[wvbygod]

60. I don't deny it is a scare video

I just don't believe it paints all those of the Islamic faith as radicals. Nothing else
about its appearance in unbelievable. I just want the facts.

[harun]

18. You are asking completely the wrong question(s)

The first question is:

"Why am I getting a free DVD about anything? This usually doesn't happen, this is quite expensive, what is so important that someone pays all this money to send out all these DVD's? Why is it being sent now?"

Then...

"Who is sending the DVD?"

"Who is paying for the DVD?"

"Who created the DVD?"

"Has the group that is paying for this even said why they are sending it?"

"If it is difficult to discern who the actual people are who are sending it why would this be? If they are spending all this money wouldn't they want to be up front with who they are and what they stand for?"

You answer those and you won't need to ask "what is anti-Muslim about it?". Because peoples real grief with it is the former questions, not the latter.

[wvbygod]

25. The title of the OP said it was anti-Islam

Once we can establish the proof/evidence that it really is "anti-Islam" we can then discuss
what the motives are of it being sent out (gasp) free to selected people.

Would you be so elusive if a DVD documenting the election failures of 2000 were sent out?
Or would you be more concerned about the content of it?

Again, what is "anti-Islam" about this video?

[AllieB]

27. It's meant to paint Muslims as terrorists and instill fear in people.

What part of that don't you understand? Plus the DVDs were only sent to battleground states. Oh, I forgot you're not a big fan of our VP candidate either, so your comments aren't too surprising.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7165387

[wvbygod]

37. If that is what the vide was "meant" to do then why not post some evidence to back it up?

And I think Biden is just fine for our VP. Your personal projections of me are not
related to the claim that the video is "Anti-Islam".

[AllieB]

53. Do you think it was innocently sent out only in Battleground states?

If so, you are being intentionally obtuse.

And I didn't project anything. Your posting history speaks for itself. ;-)

[Zuiderelle]

31. The fact that it is being sent to sway voters to a RIGHT-WING objective of fear and war.

The subtitle is "Radical Islam's War Against The West." Don't pretend to not understand that it is meant to paint Islam itself as radical... imagine the title changed to "Islam's War Against the Radical West."

It would be pretty stupid to think they only meant evangelical fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics. It would be insinuating that the West itself is Radical.

But I know that you know this. You are objecting because you agree that Islam is a threat to us.

[harun]

62. What exactly would be a satisfactory answer to your question?

I see people pointing out to you that the video is portraying ALL Muslims negatively, not just "radical" Islam. Are you just asking a rhetorical question to make trouble?

A couple of items to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

[Zuiderelle]

29. The inside notes say "The threat of Radical Islam is the most important issue facing us today."

The threat of Radical Islam is the most important issue facing us today. But it's a topic that neither the presidential candidates, nor the media are discussing openly. It's our responsibility to ensure we can all make an informed vote in November.

That just REEKS of right-wing agenda doesn't it? If neither of the candidates is "discussing it openly" then how on earth does it have ANY bearing on the way people vote? It's a VERY PLAIN scare tactic, similar to what Bush has been doing for 7 years now. 9/11 9/11 9/11 Terror terror terror.

[wvbygod]

32. Are you saying there is no threat of Radical Islam

This is not a test. I don't think all the people killed on 9/11/01 were right wingers.

All evidence points to "Radical Islam" as to the perpetrators of 9/11/01

[Zuiderelle]

34. No, I'm saying (very clearly) that they are insinuating that all of Islam is radical.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Radical Islam doesn't kill people, people do.

:shrug:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

63. Stupid black-and-white thinking.

Yeah, the only alternative to "Radical Islam is the most important issue" is "there is no threat of Radical Islam."

I've yet to see a photon that hits you and doesn't come out the other side unchanged.

[MadrasT]

14. We got it in the mail AND in the paper.

So now I'm twice as scared of terra-ists.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. I got it direct mailed to my house.

It went straight from the mailbox to the trash can, where it belonged. It's a shame so much landfill space will be wasted on that fear mongering propoganda.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. No.

But I've ran into a few bigots defending the trash.

See above.

[wvbygod]

26. Can you provide the "anti-Islam" content of the video?

Or are you just going to call people names?

[Zuiderelle]

33. Instead of asking the same answered question over and over... how about YOU go prove that it's NOT

anti-Islamic. You're really beginning to annoy me.

[wvbygod]

42. Bullshit claims without facts annoy most people

Yet you are fine with the claim that the video is "Anti-Islam" with NO FACTS to back it up.

Facts are a good thing. Sorry you don't need any in your life.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. Dish it out, but can't take it, eh?

Poor baby.

[AllieB]

54. What else is new.

One of the typical debate tactics of our unwanted visitors.

Them: 'Prove it to me'

Us: 'Here it is. What part of this don't you understand?'

Them: 'I refuse to extrapolate from the evidence you presented. Therefore you're wrong.'

Us: 'You're being intentionally obtuse and trying to start a shitstorm'

'You're picking on me. WAAAAAAHHHHH!!' :cry:

I have to admit that he (or she) has managed to fit the stereotype very effectively.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. More like...

"One billion muslims are filthy scum."

"Bigot"

"Stop being mean!"

[AllieB]

57. Exactly.

No matter how they try to hide bigotry with circular arguments, it's there as plain as day.

[Zuiderelle]

48. Damn. I see what you mean.

Holy shit...

[The Straight Story]

24. Can't watch it unless it is anti-christian

:rofl:

[Contrary1]

28. Handy prepaid donation envelope included?

Cut it up and send it back to them, along with any other small weighted items that you can dig up.

Washers are great for this project. Returning their brain washers in this case.

[Zuiderelle]

35. I wish. I would if so. What pisses me off is that this is a "Non Profit Org"

with a Non-Profit postage permit.

[Contrary1]

51. If I understand the Non-Profit postage permit correctly,

it is a yearly fee based on the declared weight of the envelope that the organization sends out or receives. If enough people do this, it should still end up costing them more.

Any postal workers out there that can verify this?

[Azooz]

38. The Third Jihad - coming next

That's Obsession done, Clarion says they plan to do the same with the "The Third Jihad" in October. Hate, Fear and go vote for McCain to save you. I know it'll make life harded for American Muslims, but it will also spreads Islam in America. An earlier poster on DU noted the snake image on the DVD cover - artistic propaganda. The MSM will also have a few gems to show off till the elections are over.


On the other side, Michael Moore's "Slacker Uprising" has been released for free:

Slacker Uprising Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OfAEXnQAY

[wvbygod]

45. Piss on mccain

Did this video really promote mccain? Where did any candidate come into play in these videos?

[Zuiderelle]

47. Who ARE you? And why are you defending this that has already been PROVEN to be a RW ploy

to scare voters. Same thing was done in the mid-terms. What the fuck is your agenda anyway?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Do you really need to ask?

C'mon.

Don't feed it.

[Zuiderelle]

52. Good point.

Thanks.

[AllieB]

55. Don't feed it. Just alert.

Seriously. This is a pattern that I'm sure the mods are aware of.

[wvbygod]

59. My "agenda" is to seek the truth backed up with facts

When someone says something is "Anti-Islam" it is customary to provide some facts to back
up such an assertion. I am not interested in any other aspect of a subject until I know the facts
behind it. Herd mentality has led too many people to the wrong place.

I really don't understand why it is so difficult to show some evidence to back up the
claim that a video is "anti-Islam".

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. Seems you've got a serious credibility gap.

Doesn't look like anybody is taking you seriously.

[Contrary1]

58. Let's see...9/11/01 was seven years ago.

Islam has been attacked ever since. And yet, this well-meaning group just gets around to sending the video out right before an election that appears to be a loser for the Republics.

That's all I need to know.

[sarcasmo]

64. Clarion must be a Republican front company, just got my junk mail today.