McCain just cancelled the election?

[CounterPropagandist]

Does this mean that McCain's purported suspension of his candidacy is the end of the campaign for this year? Does this mean a suspension of the election, too? How can they hold an election if only Obama is still running?

I was waiting for martial law, and I still think it is getting more probable every day, as unthinkable as it may seem. Bush has the authority in case of unrest under 10 USC 331, and doesn't even need the approval of Congress.

If there are nationwide protests that is all he needs under the US Code. The President's decision as to which of two opposing governments is the lawful one cannot be questioned by the courts. Luther v. Borden, U.S.R.I.1849, 48 U.S. 1, 7 How. 1, 12 L.Ed. 581. I think this means that a president can decide the outcome ofr an election all by himself!

President can declare martial law and decide how long it will last without interference from the courts. The President is the judge of the necessity of calling the militia into service. Martin v. Mott, U.S.N.Y.1827, 25 U.S. 19, 6 L.Ed. 537, 12 Wheat. 19. See, also, 1856, 8 Op.Atty.Gen. 8. Decision whether to use troops or militia in quelling civil disorder is exclusively within the province of the President, and presidential discretion in exercising powers granted in U.S.C.A.Const. Art. 2, § 2, Art. 4, § 4, and this chapter is not subject to judicial review. Monarch Ins. Co. of Ohio v. District of Columbia, D.C.D.C.1973, 353 F.Supp. 1249, affirmed 497 F.2d 683, 162 U.S.App.D.C. 96, affirmed 497 F.2d 684, 162 U.S.App.D.C. 97, certiorari denied 95 S.Ct. 497, 419 U.S. 1021, 42 L.Ed.2d 295, affirmed 497 F.2d 685, 162 U.S.App.D.C. 98, affirmed 497 F.2d 686, 162 U.S.App.D.C. 99.

10 USC 331 states: "Whenever there is an insurrections in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection." This is already law and can be used just as with Hurricane Katrina. The most significant part of Bush's speech probably went over most of the public's head, "...a distressing scenario would unfold..."; This would give Bush dictatorial powers he has only pretended to have until now. These are not usual times. There is no record in history of one of the candidates suspending his campaign, does anyone know of one? How about the election of 1860, where Lincoln was elected just before the Civil War. Did anyone try to cancel the campaign then? At this point we all see how anything can happen.

I think this is a very dangerous time to go out and protest, plays right into the hands of the neo-cons. Stay home.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Stay home?

Then what? If your scenario plays out, what are our options? You seem to take them all off the table.

[CounterPropagandist]

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[CounterPropagandist]

19. Give Obama a chance

I have faith in his judgment and think if we don't play into the hands of these radicals he can get us out of it. That's not goint to be easy. Let's get Obama elected, that's the best option. I'm sorry I don't have another one.

[asdjrocky]

2. Hi.

1) A big welcome to DU :hi:! 2) You need to enable your profile so people won't think you're a troll. 3) This is DU, we don't "stay home."

In the words of the worst President ever, I say bring it on.

[CounterPropagandist]

22. I'm not comfortable posting a profile yet.

I'm going to give that some thought first. I don't think it is necessarily safe. Yes, I am a coward. No problem with that.

[asdjrocky]

26. See, saying you're a coward makes me think you're a neocon.

All of the cowards I know are neocons. In fact, I've never met a true coward that wasn't a pug. Don't be afraid. If you are indeed a Dem, or liberal, or both, then c'mon out and be with us. See, we're the people who are not afraid. We're the people who believe in truth. We're the ones that still believe in peaceful assembly and free speech. We are the last, true Americans.

So what are you?

But, if you're just another troll trying to get enough points for that McCain shower cap, then feel free to continue to hide. It won't take long til you get your pizza.

[tridim]

3. So your solution is to shut up and let them do it?

The founding fathers would passionately disagree.

[CounterPropagandist]

11. The are going to do it in some fashion

The thing to do is not to give them an excuse to make matters worse, because that is the underlying purpose for it all. I am suspicious of this whole thing just like you are, but when Roosevelt was faced with the market collapse, he declared a bank holiday and shut down the market, to give Congress time to act with deliberation. Why doesn't Bush do that, instead of letting the market collapse?

Just note that the one politician more responsible for the deregulation crisis, going back to the repeal of Glass-Steagal which provided a firewall between the insurance companies, the banks and the market, the Enron loophole and the Savings and Loan crisis was Phil Gramm ("a nation of whiners") who sits at McCain's right arm as a co-chairman of the McCain campaign. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Gramm#United_States_House_of_Representatives

[wtmusic]

4. ROFL "stay home"

I certainly don't want to play into the hands of the "neo-cons".

[Subdivisions]

5. You stay home, coward. n/t

[CounterPropagandist]

14. Thanks, I am

No argument there, friend. I'm not for the package, believe me, but I see beyond that. We are now going to be the new USSR, the United States Socialist Republic. But I'm not going to some concentration camp, can't do it. You underestimate the danger.

[SteelPenguin]

31. it's that attitude that helps people that do that shit come to power

Give me liberty or give me death.

I've met more than my fair share of Germans who wished they had just stood up and done something when the Nazi's were rising to power. Actually seen more than one German cry about their cowardice in the face of Nazism. They stayed home. They went along. They stayed in line. Millions of people died.

Fuck that, sir. Fuck that.

[sharp_stick]

6. Not a Chance

There isn't a chance in hell I'd stay home if I thought that chimpy had the idea to impose martial law.

Welcome to DU :hi: You might want to start up your profile, it's not always accurate but locked profiles indicate under the bridge behavior around here sometimes if you catch my drift.

[CounterPropagandist]

7. Thanks for the tip

This is my first post, so I appreciate the tip. I will do my profile. I understand your reaction to my "stay home" advice, and while I sympathize with it you have to remember there are greater dangers. My main point is to show the dangers. If you want to protest, you can, but remember the risk of martial law. That is their goal.

[Lex]

8. McCain hasn't done sh!t except shoot himself in the foot.

And PS--he hasn't suspended anything. He's just talking not doing.

[CounterPropagandist]

20. Yes we all see that, too

[Contrary1]

9. I just hate when there are no profiles.

For those needing that special fix:

[Lex]

10. And when the OP tells us not to protest and to "Stay home."

:wtf:

[CounterPropagandist]

16. Sorry

Ya know, on second thought, I like being anonymous given all the circumstances, and given the number of spooks that are probably in here.

[Sheets of Easter]

12. Sure, pal. And tomorrow, it will rain M & Ms.

[zbdent]

13. the Palin speedbump ripped out the transmission on the

downhill-heading campaign Corvair that McCain is driving ...

[Lex]

15. LOL!

What a description! :thumbsup:

[CounterPropagandist]

17. I support Obama

If you want a profile, you can believe me when I say that I am 100% for Obama and I agree with you, the McCain campaign is a very bad joke.

[underseasurveyor]

21. While I understand your reasoning on that

It just ain't the American way pal.. nope nope nope. If anything, and actually it's looooong past due, it's time to get really loud.

NOT speaking out plays right into the neo-cons hands. Silence equals consent/permission.

[CounterPropagandist]

23. I understand what you are saying, BUT

These are the same folks who gave us Pinochet and the Brazilian junta several decades ago. They may think it is time that America has its own dirty war. What do you think? Is it worth giving them the excuse?

[underseasurveyor]

30. That's the thing

They don't need any stinking excuses anymore, they do as they damn well please so protests or not if they want to declare ML they will if that's their ultimate goal so therefore I will speak and scream for as long as I have breath in my body. And frankly if they did declare ML especially before an election do you really think they'd get away with it? Remember that tree of liberty... `n` blood an all. Just sayin'

[CounterPropagandist]

24. What they want

They have several goals. First, they are terrified that a liberal government will dig up all their dirty criminal secrets and put them on trial as war criminals. Obviously they don't want that, so it's better for them to cancel the election than to lose it. The second goal is to demolish the national piggy bank so that if a liberal government is elected they can't do anything about their social programs because Wall Street is holding on to all the money and we are broke as a nation, and we are held in debt servitude to the interest on the National debt. This is how they kept Brazil down for two decades even though they elected liberal governments and threw out the generals. It's a tried and proven method.

[uppityperson]

25. Question: "Stay home" when? In lieu of what? Please clarify.

You aren't the only one suspicious of this whole deal, but please clarify when you mean "stay home", in lieu of what, and why. Thanks.

[CounterPropagandist]

27. What to do

Write, agitate, scream your heads off, but do not go out in the street and under no circumstances advocate violence or even imply it or let someone get you to express it on the telephone or by e-mail, that's what they want. Look at what they did in Saint Paul. That is what they want. Non-violence is the key.

[uppityperson]

28. Ah, so agitate at home, but don't go outside, don't advocate violence.

I'll agree with not advocating violence, but disagree about staying at home to agitate, write, protest. Non-violent public protest is needed.

[northsongs]

29. What militias?

werent' they downsized a while back?

[Retrograde]

32. Plenty of other people running

Barr, Nader, McKinney. And nothing says the head of a major party ticket has to go out and campaign: McKinley was elected never leaving his front porch. Of course, that was in 1896...

My opinion: McCain's noticed that every time he opens his mouth his poll numbers go down. So he's minimizing opportunities to go out in public. Coward.

OP, a better example would be the election of 1864. The country was in the middle of a civil war and Lincoln and McClellan still campaigned - and held the election. IIRC, it was the first time active troops voted in the field.