CNN: Shelby just left bailout mtg-super pissed off-no deal...right now

[katty]

this bailout will be hung on the Dems

[ronnykmarshall]

1. It's a TRAP!

[malaise]

7. Well we've been warning them from day one

so if they fall for it fugg them.

[avaistheone1]

11. Yes, we have. But they probably can't here us over the clamor from the special interests and

lobbyists.

[malaise]

37. DU members have assessed the state of play perfectly for

for years. If Dems choose to ignore their own supporters, they dig their own graves as they did over Iraq. If they had impeached Bush and Cheney ages ago, we would not be watching this madness days away from the most important election I can remember.

[VeraAgnes]

14. A predictable

perfect storm by this mega-crime family.

[katty]

15. indeed it is - storm and setup

[VeraAgnes]

18. I posted this yesterday and got the shit beat out of me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7172329&mesg_id=7172329

[katty]

23. yes, I see--alot of hedging of (political) bets on both sides right now

I think the Dems are more vulnerable right now because most of the electorate knows the bush gang and mc Cain are pro-CEO, super-free 'marketeers'--so that is a known quantity, the Dems want a FAIR to americans/Regulated/oversight deal in place-as well as other conservative Repubs that are holding out right now. So, we'll see.....

[VeraAgnes]

26. I'm with you on this.

Everyone yesterday just wanted to just call him old, senile stupid and not look at this as a serious scam/collaboration of the GOP crime family. They couldn't get it...........thought I was support mccain...............it was so hateful and rude.

[katty]

31. I hear ya, well the GOP are masters at this-Cheney/Rover @the helm

and this WE KNOW-EVERYONE KNOWS THIS BY NOW.

[glowing]

2. This is the Republicans way back into the Houses in 2010.

This is a trap and Democrats will be the one's signing off.

[katty]

27. clearly the bailout chess game is becoming very tense

[NoUsername]

34. If they hang this on the Dems

I have no doubt there will be a big backlash on this come November if the poor and middle class taxpayers are stuck paying the tab.

Since the Dems are in the majority, one way to avoid this would be for them to write up their own damn bill the requires the bailout to be paid for 100% by a tax on the top 1% (and especially the top .1%), requires banks to renegotiate ARMs, imposes stiff regulations on the finance industry, gets rid of golden parachutes, etc. I'm willing to bet a good portion of the public would be willing to go along with something like that. Dubya would no doubt veto it in which case they could throw it right back in his face and keep sending the same bill back to him over and over. That way the Dems would look like the good guys (they're trying to save Wall Street, just like Dubya asked) and Dubya and any Republicans that wouldn't go along with it would be the bad guys. They might even be able to override the veto if enough people put pressure on Republicans up for re-election. I haven't seen people this up-in-arms about something since the attempt to privatize Social Security and we all know how that turned out. They had to back down due to public pressure and the same can happen here if the Dems forget about their corporate sponsors for once and write a bill that is FOR THE PEOPLE.

Otherwise, all bets are off and there will be hell to pay come November. The Republicans could easily take over both Houses and the Dems would have no one but themselves to blame.

[katty]

35. yup

concur-this is what needs to happen, you write:


>They had to back down due to public pressure and the same can happen here if the Dems forget about their corporate sponsors for once and write a bill that is FOR THE PEOPLE.

[NoUsername]

38. Well, apparently that's not going to happen.

Barney Frank was just on MSNBC and said Pelosi said there will be NO partisan bill. Sounds like she's only interested in working on the Bush version of the bill. Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd swear this almost makes it look like her image and political future take priority over everything else. :sarcasm: What the people of the country might want was obviously never even taken into account. I'm shocked, I tell you. Just shocked. Nice to know Dubya has such a good friend in Madam Speaker.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Shelby was pretty much opposed from the start. I don't know about the

other R's on the Banking Cmte.

[depakid]

6. He's foot stamping Alabama ideoologue

The deal can and will get done without him- and without the conspiracy theorists on DU.

[katty]

19. yes, that he is

[katty]

17. from what has been reported,very few conservative R's want this

and the Dems (by the #'s)are more willing to take the deal than the R's

[mmonk]

21. Exactly.

[sharp_stick]

4. Damn someone beat me to it IT'S A TRAP

The brilliant rovian mind running the McCain campaign has it all figured out. Damn the Dems for caving again, oh GAWD, I'm gonna go open a vein. IT'S ALL OVER NOW!!!

[deadparrot]

5. I'm not really torn up about this...

First, the proposed deal didn't sound too effective/favorable anyway. Second, this further hamstrings McCain in terms of the debate. Third, Shelby's a Republican and pissed at McCain.

[sharp_stick]

8. I guess it needs to be repeated again

There will be no deal unless McCain and the Pukes sign off on it. That's been a condition since this clusterfuck began and nobody has said it's changed.

[wiggs]

32. That's right. Frank said yesterday that Pelosi is insisting that enough republicans

have to get on board to make this a bi-partisan deal.

[katty]

33. great-heard that too-let's hope she holds fast to that/no caving

this time.

[spanone]

9. it made me think he walked out...no one else has left

[anigbrowl]

13. Yeah, but he's the head of the relevant committee.

So it matters.

[shadowknows69]

10. Can we call their bluff for fucking once?

Holy shit, put me in a high stakes poker game with the House Dems. I'd make a fortune.

[AndyA]

12. I fail to see the trap.

Most people know which party is RESPONSIBLE for this mess. The Dems just need to be smart and frame it as a Republican issue, which shouldn't be too hard since IT IS.

Iraq war = Bush/GOP
Spying = Bush/GOP
Financial mess = Bush/GOP

Rinse and repeat.

[galileoreloaded]

24. I agree, you fail to see the trap. ....................

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Was he smiling as he left and mumbling, "Let the dumbasses buy this pig."

[livelongandprosper]

20. Why would this mean that

"this bailout will be hung on the Dems"?

Don't be paranoid.

[gravity]

22. Shelby was against it from the beginning

It is nothing new

[lurky]

25. I'm sure they see what the R's are doing.

I think it's pretty clumsy and desperate, actually.

It's easy enough to turn it around on them: "The Republicans are playing politics while your future hangs in the balance." That should get their attention.

[katty]

28. yes, wish Pelosi and Reid were more vocal on that today.

[Jersey Devil]

29. Harry Reid knew it was a potential trap and said no vote if McCain says no

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/McCain_has_the_power.html?showall

Reported George Stephanopoulos last night:

If Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain doesn't vote for the Bush administration's $700 billion economic bailout plan, some Republican and Democratic congressional leaders tell ABC News the plan won't pass.

"If McCain doesn't come out for this, it's over," a Top House Republican tells ABC News.

A Democratic leadership source says that White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten has been told that
Democratic votes will not be there if McCain votes no -- that there is no deal if McCain doesn't go along.

[shraby]

30. He's just trying to prolong the negotiations

to keep Obama in town instead of going to the debate...won't work.

[rucky]

36. "No Deal" is good, right?

Seems the bi-partisanship lies in the fact that nobody wants to touch this with a 10-foot-pole.