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kurt_cagle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:25 AM
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Why the Bailout Matters
I'm apologizing up front for the long post, but this is from an email from one of the better market analysts that I know, one who's been warning about the crisis for some time (and significantly, a Republican who believes this package is necessary):

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Thoughts from the Frontline Weekly Newsletter
Who's Afraid of a Big, Bad Bailout?
by John Mauldin
September 26, 2008

In this issue:
Who's Afraid of a Big, Bad Bailout?
It's the End of the World As We Know It
The TED Spread Flashes Trouble
The Transmission Mechanism
Let's Make a Deal
Colorado, California, London, and Sweden

"A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
(It's time I had some time alone.)"

- Lyrics from R.E.M., 1987

Flying last Tuesday, overnight from Cape Town in South Africa to London, I read in the Financial Times that Republican Congressman Joe Barton of Texas was quoted as saying (this is from memory, so it is not exact) that he had difficulty voting for a bailout plan when none of his constituents could understand the need to bail out Wall Street, didn't understand the problem, and were against spending $700 billion of taxpayer money to solve a crisis for a bunch of (rich) people who took a lot of risk and created the crisis. That is a sentiment that many of the Republican members of the House share.

As it happens, I know Joe. My office is in his congressional district. I sat on the Executive Committee for the Texas Republican Party representing much of the same district for eight years. This week, Thoughts from the Frontline will be an open letter to Joe, and through him to Congress, telling him what the real financial problem is and how it affects his district, helping explain the problem to his constituents , and explaining why he has to hold his nose with one hand and vote for a bailout with the other.

Just for the record, Joe has been in Congress for 24 years. He is the ranking Republican on the Energy and Commerce Committee, which is one of the three most important committees and is usually considered in the top five of Republican House leadership. He is quite conservative and has been a very good and effective congressman. I have known Joe for a long time and consider him a friend. He has been my Congressman at times, depending on where they draw the line. I called his senior aide and asked him how the phone calls were going. It is at least ten to one against supporting this bill, and that is probably typical of the phones all across this country. People are angry, and with real justification. And watching the debates, it reminds us that one should never look at how sausages and laws are made. It is a very messy process.

I think what follows is as good a way as any to explain the crisis we are facing this weekend. This letter will print out a little longer, because there are a lot of charts, but the word length is about the same. Let's jump right in.
It's the End of the World As We Know It

Dear Joe,

I understand your reluctance to vote for a bill that 90% of the people who voted for you are against. That is generally not good politics. They don't understand why taxpayers should spend $700 billion to bail out rich guys on Wall Street who are now in trouble. And if I only got my information from local papers and news sources, I would probably agree. But the media (apart from CNBC) has simply not gotten this story right. It is not just a crisis on Wall Street. Left unchecked, this will morph within a few weeks to a crisis on Main Street. What I want to do is describe the nature of the crisis, how this problem will come home to your district, and what has to be done to avert a true, full-blown depression, where the ultimate cost will be far higher to the taxpayers than $700 billion. And let me say that my mail is not running at 10 to 1 against, but it is really high. I am probably going to make a lot of my regular readers mad, but they need to hear what is really happening on the front lines of the financial world.

First, let's stop calling this a bailout plan. It is not. It is an economic stabilization plan. Run properly, it might even make the taxpayers some money. If it is not enacted very soon (Monday would be fine), the losses to businesses and investors and homeowners all over the US (and the world) will be enormous. Unemployment will jump to rates approaching 10%, at a minimum. How did all this come to pass? Why is it so dire? Let's rewind the tape a bit.

We all know about the subprime crisis. That's part of the problem, as banks and institutions are now having to write off a lot of bad loans. The second part of the problem is a little more complex. Because we were running a huge trade deficit, countries all over the world were selling us goods and taking our dollars. They in turn invested those excess dollars in US bonds, helping to drive down interest rates. It became easy to borrow money at low rates. Banks, and what Paul McCulley properly called the Shadow Banking System, used that ability to borrow and dramatically leverage up those bad loans (when everyone thought they were good), as it seemed like easy money. They created off-balance-sheet vehicles called Structured Investment Vehicles (SIVs) and put loans and other debt into them. They then borrowed money on the short-term commercial paper market to fund the SIVs and made as profit the difference between the low short-term rates of commercial paper and the higher long-term rates on the loans in the SIV. And if a little leverage was good, why not use a lot of leverage and make even more money? Everyone knew these were AAA-rated securities.

And then the music stopped. It became evident that some of these SIVs contained subprime debt and other risky loans. Investors stopped buying the commercial paper of these SIVs. Large banks were basically forced to take the loans and other debt in the SIVs back onto their balance sheets last summer as the credit crisis started. Because of a new accounting rule (called FASB 157), banks had to mark their illiquid investments to the most recent market price of a similar security that actually had a trade. Over $500 billion has been written off so far, with credible estimates that there might be another $500 billion to go. That means these large banks have to get more capital, and it also means they have less to lend. (More on the nature of these investments in a few paragraphs.)

Banks can lend to consumers and investors about 12 times their capital base. If they have to write off 20% of their capital because of losses, that means they either have to sell more equity or reduce their loan portfolios. As an example, for every $1,000 of capital, a bank can loan $12,000 (more or less). If they have to write off 20% ($200), they either have to sell stock to raise their capital back to $1,000 or reduce their loan portfolio by $2,400. Add some zeroes to that number and it gets to be huge.

And that is what is happening. At first, banks were able to raise new capital. But now, many banks are finding it very difficult to raise money, and that means they have to reduce their loan portfolios. We'll come back to this later. But now, let's look at what is happening today. Basically, the credit markets have stopped functioning. Because banks and investors and institutions are having to deleverage, that means they need to sell assets at whatever prices they can get in order to create capital to keep their loan-to-capital ratios within the regulatory limits.

Remember, part of this started when banks and investors and funds used leverage (borrowed money) to buy more assets. Now, the opposite is happening. They are having to sell assets into a market that does not have the ability to borrow money to buy them. And because the regulators require them to sell whatever they can, the prices for some of these assets are ridiculously low. Let me offer a few examples.

Today, there are many municipal bonds that were originally sold to expire 10-15 years from now. But projects finished early and the issuers wanted to pay them off. However, the bonds often have a minimum time before they can be called. So, issuers simply buy US Treasuries and put them into the bond, to be used when the bond can be called. Now, for all intents and purposes this is a US government bond which has the added value of being tax-free. I had a friend, John Woolway, send me some of the bid and ask prices for these type of bonds. One is paying two times what a normal US Treasury would pay. Another is paying 291% of a normal US Treasury. And it is tax-free! Why would anyone sell what is essentially a US treasury bond for a discount? Because they are being forced to sell, and no one is buying! The credit markets are frozen.

Last week, I wrote about a formerly AAA-rated residential mortgage-backed security (RMBS) composed of Alt-A loans, better than subprime but less than prime. About 5% of the loans were delinquent, and there are no high-risk option ARMs in the security. It is offered at 70 cents on the dollar. If you bought that security, you would be making well over 12% on your money, and 76% of the loans in the portfolio of that security would have to default and lose over 50% of their value before you would risk even one penny. Yet the bank which is being forced to sell that loan has had to write down its value. As I wrote then, that is pricing in financial Armageddon. (You can read the full details here.)

Let's look at the following graph. It is an index of AAA-rated mortgage bonds, created by www.markit.com. It is composed of RMBSs similar to the one I described above. Institutions buy and sell this index as a way to hedge their portfolios. It is also a convenient way for an accounting firm to get a price for a mortgage-backed security in a client bank's portfolio. With the introduction of the new FASB 157 accounting rule, accountants are very aggressive about making banks mark their debt down, as they do not want to be sued if there is a problem. Notice this index shows that bonds that were initially AAA are now trading at 53 cents on the dollar, which is up from 42.5 cents two months ago.

Accountants might look at the bond I described above, look at this index, and decide to tell their clients to mark the bonds down to $.53 on the dollar. The bank is offering the bond at $.70 because it knows there is quality in the security. They are being forced to sell. And guess what? There are no buyers. An almost slam-dunk 12% total-return security with loss-coverage provisions that suggest 40% of the loans could default and lose 50% before your interest rate yields even suffered, let alone risk to your principal – and it can't find a buyer.

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One of the real reasons these and thousands of other good bonds are not selling now is that there is real panic in the markets. The oldest money market fund "broke the buck" last week, because they had exposure to Lehman Brothers bonds. We are seeing massive flights of capital from money market funds, including by large institutions concerned about their capital. What are they buying? Short-term Treasury bills. Three-month Treasury bills are down to 0.84%.

It gets worse. Last week one-month Treasury bills were paying a negative 1%!!! That means some buyers were so panicked that they were willing to buy a bond for $1 that promised to pay them back only $.99 in just one month. The rate is at 0.16% today. If something is not done this weekend, it could go a lot lower over the next few days. That is panic, Joe.

I don't want to name names, as this letter goes to about 1.5 million people and I don't want to make problems for some fine banking names; but there is a silent bank run going on. There are no lines in the street, but it is a run nevertheless. It is large investment funds and corporations quietly pulling their money from some of the best banks in the country. They can do this simply by pushing a button. We are watching deposit bases fall. It does not take long. Lehman saw $400 billion go in just a few months this summer. Think about that number. Any whiff of a problem and an institution that is otherwise sound could be brought low in a matter of weeks. And the FDIC could end up with a large loss that seemed to have come from out of nowhere.
The TED Spread Flashes Trouble

There is something called the TED spread, which is the difference between three-month LIBOR (the London Inter Bank Offered Rate which is in euro dollars, also called The Euro Dollar Spread, thus TED) and three-month US Treasury bills. Three-month LIBOR is basically what banks charge each other to borrow money. Many mortgages and investments are based on various periods of LIBOR. Look at the chart below. Typically the TED spread is 50 basis points (0.50%) or less. When it spikes up, it is evidence of distress in the financial markets. The last time the TED spread was as high as it is now was right before the market crash of 1987. This is a weekly chart, which does not capture tonight's (Friday) change, which would make it look even worse. Quite literally, the TED spread is screaming panic.

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The Fed has lowered rates to 2%. Typically, three-month LIBOR tracks pretty close to whatever the Fed funds rate is. Starting with the credit crisis last year, that began to change. Look at the chart below.

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Remember, LIBOR is what banks charge to each other to make loans. Lower rates are supposed to help banks improve their capital and their ability to make loans at lower interest rates to businesses and consumers. Look at what has happened in the past few weeks, in the chart above. The spread between three-month LIBOR and the Fed funds rate is almost 200 basis points, or 2%! That is something that defies imagination to market observers. On the chart above, it looks like it has not moved that much, but in the trading desks of banks all over the world it is a heart-pounding, scare-you-to-death move. The chart below reflects what traders have seen in the past two weeks, and it moved up more today.

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Now let's look at the next chart. This is the amount of Tier 1 commercial paper issued. This is the life blood of the business world. This is how many large and medium-sized businesses finance their day-to-day operations. The total amount of commercial paper issued is down about 15% from a year ago, with half of that drop coming in the last few weeks. Quite literally, the economic body is hemorrhaging. Unless something is done, businesses all over the US are going to wake up in a few weeks and find they simply cannot transact business as usual. This is going to put a real crimp in all sorts of business we think of as being very far from Wall Street.

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I could go on. Credit spreads on high-yield bonds that many of our best high-growth businesses use to finance their growth are blowing out to levels which make it impossible for the companies to come to the market for new funds. And that is even if they could find investors in this market! There are lots of other examples (solid corporate loans selling at big discounts, asset-backed securities at discounts, etc.), but you get the idea. Suffice it to say that the current climate in the financial market is the worst since the 1930s. But how does a crisis in the financial markets affect businesses and families in Arlington, Texas, where my office and half of your district is?
The Transmission Mechanism

The transmission in a car takes energy from the engine and transfers it to the wheels. Let's talk about how the transmission mechanism of the economy works.

Let's start with our friend Dave Moritz down the street. He needs financing to be able to sell an automobile. To get those loans at good prices, an auto maker has to be able to borrow money and make the loans to Dave's customers. But if something does not stop the bleeding, it is going to get very expensive for GM to get money to make loans. That will make his cars more expensive to consumers. Cheap loans with small down payments are the life blood of the auto selling business. That is going to change dramatically unless something is done to stabilize the markets.

Credit card debt is typically packaged and sold to investors like pension funds and insurance companies. But in today's environment, that credit card debt is going to have to pay a much higher price in order to find a buyer. That means higher interest rates. Further, because most of the large issuers of credit cards are struggling with their leverage, they are reducing the amount of credit card debt they will give their card holders. If they continue to have to write down mortgages on their books because of mark-to-market rules which price assets at the last fire-sale price, it will mean even more shrinkage in available credit.

Try and sell a home above the loan limits of Fannie and Freddie today with a nonconforming jumbo loan. Try and find one that does not have very high rates, because many lenders who normally do them simply cannot afford to keep them on their balance sheets. And a subprime mortgage? Forget about it. This is going to get even worse if the financial markets melt down.

We are in a recession. Unemployment is going to rise to well over 6%. Consumer spending is going to slow. This is an environment which normally means it is tougher for small businesses and consumers to get financing in any event. Congress or the Fed cannot repeal the business cycle. There are always going to be recessions. And we always get through them, because we have a dynamic economy that figures out how to get things moving again.

Recessions are part of the normal business cycle. But it takes a major policy mistake by Congress or the Fed to create a depression. Allowing the credit markets to freeze would count as a major policy mistake.

I have been on record for some time that the economy will go through a normal recession and a slow recovery, what I call a Muddle Through Economy. This week I met with executives of one of the larger hedge funds in the world. They challenged me on my Muddle Through stance. And I had to admit that my Muddle Through scenario is at risk if Congress does not act to stabilize the credit markets.
Let's Make a Deal

Why do we need this Stabilization Plan? Why can't the regular capital markets handle it? The reason is that the problem is simply too big for the market to deal with. It requires massive amounts of patient, long-term money to solve the problem. And the only source for that would be the US government.

There is no reason for the taxpayer to lose money. Warren Buffett, Bill Gross of PIMCO, and my friend Andy Kessler have all said this could be done without the taxpayer losing money, and perhaps could even make a profit. As noted above, these bonds could be bought at market prices that would actually make a long-term buyer a profit. Put someone like Bill Gross in charge and let him make sure the taxpayers are buying value. This would re-liquefy the banks and help get their capital ratios back in line.

Why are banks not lending to each other? Because they don't know what kind of assets are on each other's books. There is simply no trust. The Fed has had to step in and loan out hundreds of billions of dollars in order to keep the financial markets from collapsing. If you allow the banks to sell their impaired assets at a market-clearing fair price (not at the original price), then once the landscape is cleared, banks will decide they can start trusting each other. The commercial paper market will come back. Credit spreads will come down. Banks will be able to stabilize their loan portfolios and start lending again.

Again, the US government is the only entity with enough size and patience to act. We do not have to bail out Wall Street. They will still take large losses on their securities, just not as large a loss as they are now facing in a credit market that is frozen. As noted above, there are many securities that are being marked down and sold far below a rational price.

If we act now, we will start to see securitization of mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, and business loans so that the economy can begin to function properly.

What happens if we walk away? Within a few weeks at most, financial markets will freeze even more. We will see electronic runs on major banks, and the FDIC will have more problems than you can possibly imagine. The TED spread and LIBOR will get much worse. Businesses which use the short-term commercial paper markets will start having problems rolling over their paper, forcing them to make difficult cuts in spending and employment. Larger businesses will find it more difficult to get loans and credit. That will have effects on down the economic food chain. Jim Cramer estimated today that without a plan of some type, we could see the Dow drop to 8300. That is as good a guess as any. It could be worse. Home valuations and sales will drop even further.

The average voter? They will see stock market investments off another 25% at the least. Home prices will go down even more. Consumer spending will drop. What should be a run-of-the-mill recession becomes a deep recession or soft depression. Yes, that may be worst-case scenario. But that is the risk I think we take with inaction.

A properly constructed Stabilization Plan hopefully avoids the worst-case scenario. It should ultimately not cost the taxpayer much, and maybe even return a profit. The AIG rescue that Paulson arranged is an example of how to do it right. My bet is that the taxpayer is going to make a real profit on this deal. We got 80% of AIG, with what is now a loan paying the taxpayer over 12%, plus almost $2 billion in upfront fees for doing the loan. That is not a bailout. That is a business deal that sounds like it was done by Mack the Knife.

This deal needs to be done by Monday. Every day we wait will see more and more money fly out the doors of the banks, putting the FDIC at ever greater risk. Panic will start to set in, moving to ever smaller banks. Frankly, we are at the point where we need to consider raising the FDIC limits for all deposits for a period of time, until the Stabilization Plan quells the panic.

I understand that this is a really, really bad idea according classical free-market economic theory. You know me; I am as free market as it comes. But I also know that without immediate action a lot of people are really going to be hurt. Unemployment is not a good thing. Losses on your home and investments hurt. It is all nice and well to talk about theories and contend the market should be allowed to sort itself out; and if we have a deep recession, then that is what is needed. But the risk we take is not a deep recession but a soft depression. The consequences of inaction are simply unthinkable.

Joe, I am telling you that the markets are screaming panic. Yes, Senator Richard Shelby has his 200 economists saying this is a bad deal. But they are ivory tower kibitzers who have never sat at a trading desk. They have never tried to put a loan deal together or had to worry about commercial paper markets collapsing. I am talking daily with the people on the desks who are seeing what is really happening. Shelby's economists are armchair generals far from the front lines. I am talking to the foot soldiers who are on the front lines.

Every sign of potential disaster is there. You and the rest of the House have to act. It has to be bipartisan. This should not be about politics (even though Barney Frank keeps talking bipartisan and then taking partisan shots, but I guess he just can't help himself). It should be about doing the right thing for our country and the world. I know it will not be fun coming back to the district. Talking about TED spreads and LIBOR will not do much to assuage voters who are angry. But it is the right thing to do. And I will be glad to come to the town hall meeting with you and help if you like.

With your help, we will get through this. In a few years, things will be back to normal and we can all have stories to tell to our grandkids about how we lived through interesting times. But right now we have to act.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:30 AM
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1. Bookmarking to read in the am. Thanks! nt
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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:42 AM
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2. hmm
I understand what he's saying and I do appreciate you sharing the article. But if all the billionaires in our country recognized the seriousness of the problem, why didn't they pool their money and resources for the sake of saving their system? Instead they're reassuring us, "this is the right thing for you, we have to do it for the sake of world financial stability" -- on the back of the taxpayers, with a system they fucked up.

Sigh. At least there is no doubt where we stand anymore.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:10 AM
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3. BRILLIANT! -- This should be required reading for
anyone on DU who wants to comment on the so-called "bailout plan", imho.

Government does have an absolute obligation to secure the orderly functioning of the markets. Falls under the "general welfare" clause, I would argue.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:13 AM
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5. I would counter argue that Universal Health Care also falls under "General Welfare".
So, with millions of uninsured Americans... Why isn't that one under 'crisis' mode?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:34 AM
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6. No argument from me about UHC and
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 03:44 AM by coalition_unwilling
"general welfare" clause. It's an ambiguous phrase, that's for sure.

But simply bc there is a crisis in healthcare does not obviate the possibility of other equally pressing crises.

The advisor spoke of a "soft depression." N.B. In 1933, the adult unemployment rate in the US stood at 25%. That's 1 out of 4 adults out of work.

All I can say is "Thank God we have Obama in this our hour of need." He will be sorely vexed and we do not deserve a leader of his caliber, courage and fortitude.

We have truly been blessed, and inexplicably so. If I were religious (and I am not), I would say the hand of God works in mysterious ways.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:32 AM
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8. This plan will permit direct government investment in American
companies. That is not constitutional in my opinion. It makes the government compete as a shareholder in one company against another company. That is not going to pass the muster in the Supreme Court.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:10 AM
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4. DUPE -- self delete
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 03:15 AM by coalition_unwilling
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:30 AM
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7. Ever sell potato chips door to door?
It is a good way to learn about supply and demand.

The supply side economists, investment managers and managers of multi-billionaire companies like the jet set author of all this information should all be fired and forced to sell potato chips door to door until they understand that the reason that ordinary Americans don't want their plans and promises is that ordinary Americans can't afford them.

A couple of years of selling potato chips door to door and the managers on Wall Street would soon realize that instead of rescuing hedge fund managers and investment bankers, Congress needs to give the liquidity to middle class Americans in the form of investment here in the U.S. in real jobs with decent wages, not just service sector make believe jobs. When ordinary people earn enough money to buy their kids school clothes, pay their mortgages and retire in peace, the economy on Wall Street will take care of itself.

Let's get back down to earth here. This problem started because people's wages were not high enough to pay their mortgages. It's not because the people were members of minorities. It's because they were poor, and they were poor not because they were unwilling to work, but because they could not get jobs that pay enough to live normal middle-class lives. America just does not have enough of those kinds of jobs any more.

This all started with Reaganomics. And until people like the guy that wrote these comments understand and admit publicly and loudly that Reagonomics is wrong, the problem will just get worse.

Remember the S&L crisis? Same scenario. Same emergency bail-out. This is the sequel. And it's even worse than the first time around. Just wait till next time if you think this is bad.

The guy who wrote the article in the OP fails to ask: What if this plan whatever it is called does not work? (And I don't think it will work in the long run.) What do we do then?

I get the feeling that guys like him are clutching at the idea of a plan, some magic wand kind of plan to add liquidity because they are scared of being poor like the rest of the country. They remind me of the alcoholic standing outside the bar begging for a dime to buy another beer. Their problem is their addiction, not the lack of a dime. Lack of liquidity in banks and investment is a symptom, not the problem itself.

The real problem is that the good American jobs have been outsourced. McCain and Obama are right when they praise the work ethic and productivity of American workers. But what good is all that virtue when there are far too few challenging, decent paying jobs. And don't talk about more education. Americans don't know much about geography or history, but they are better educated than their fathers and grandfathers who worked in the great industrial centers of America before the factories were emptied and the equipment shipped to China. (They are a lot better educated than the Chinese children and farmer's daughters who work in Chinese factories.)

I remember watching C-Span in the fall of 1985. Democrats in Congress were arguing against "free trade" with other countries. One of them predicted that if we entered into "free trade" agreements, the only work left for Americans would be selling hamburgers to each other. Well, that's all that's left folks unless you want to count the jobs unloading the Chinese imports and trucking them to Walmarts and Targets across the country.

Before the wave of sub-prime mortgage foreclosures, the best jobs for regular people were in the construction trades. Those jobs are now gone. The end of the housing boom also means a decrease in the sale of home furnishings and all the things that go with moving into new houses (granted all made in third world countries).

If the economy is to recover, people have to have jobs that pay well. We need a plan that revives American industry, American jobs, the American middle class. The Paulson bail-out even after congressional tweaking will not achieve those goals. Just watch, as soon as the American people rescue the banks and investment houses, the banks and investment houses will transfer the money overseas and outsource even more of our economy.

Americans will be left with huge bills to pay and no income with which to pay them.

This bail-out is like a huge consolidation loan. It will relieve the pain short-term but we will soon discover that our misery has only been delayed and prolonged. This hastily crafted consolidation loan will tie our hands. It's no recovery plan. It's the Enslave Middle Class Americans plan.

Watch taxes go up and wages (adjusted for inflation) go down with this "plan."

We need a plan to recover good jobs for middle class Americans, and not another dime for Wall Street. Give Americans good jobs and Wall Street will be fine.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:05 AM
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11. We need new banking regulation and restructuring of the economy. But
we ARE in a credit crisis, and it has to be dealt with now.

This isn't just a matter of Wall Street and investment banks. Savings banks like WaMu are at risk. Commercial banks are at risk. A credit freeze will affect you whether you are an employee of a large corporation or a small business, whether you own a small business or are retired. A credit freeze will affect the hospital that you depend on and every other institution with which you do business. We have to get through the current crisis in liquidity before we can move on to address the structural problems.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:16 AM
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13. great post
Now I can return the compliment and tell you that your post needs to have its own thread.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:45 AM
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9. The post touches on the real cause of the problem - THE TRADE DEFICIT.
And I personally don't think anyone should vote yes for this without passing a bill aimed that will make reversal of the trade deficit a NATIONAL PRIORITY.



I have heard it put this way - we can have imported cheap crap from China and third world wages, or we can have decent wages and we will have to save up to buy imported goods.

We CANNOT expect to have widespread good wages AND unrestricted cheap imports. It is simply unsustainable.

I could possibly get behind the bailout if it met the conditions of getting Americans back to work and wages moving upward, but without that, no sale, it will just be postponing the inevitable, and making the inevitable that much worse when it happens. As for getting "back to normal", things have not been "normal" since Ron Reagan made it national policy to devalue labor and impoverish the majority for the benefit of the few.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:55 AM
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10. K & R. n/t
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:13 AM
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12. ahhhh
It is an "economic stabilization plan." Why didn't they say so?

And, hey, "properly run," it might even make us all some moolah.

The people are wrong, the analysts are wrong, the economists are wrong, everyone an inch to the left of Richard Nixon is wrong... but the players know what is best for all of us!

This deserves an award. Every single propaganda talking point being used to fob this off on us is found here, all in one message.

Let's review them -

The Sales Pitch

Dense, impenetrable thickets of verbiage are thrown up that sound so esoteric and academic and technical, that everyone wanders away convinced that this is just all over their head and they will never understand economics. For any one who has been to one of those dog and pony shows where some broker tries to con you into investing in his "financial products," this approach will be very familiar. "Bore them to death until they give up and sign on the dotted line" seems to be the approach. Since I obviously don't know anything about this, best to trust the experts. Try not to bring up the fact that they stand to make a lot of money of they can get us to roll over for them.

Threat Level Red!!!

This was once known as "fear! fear! fear!" but it is now color coded to maximize the anxiety effect. The idea here is that if we don't give the fat cats everything they want, they will make sure we are all homeless, sleeping under a mushroom cloud, with nothing to eat but yellow cake.

The Preemptive Attack

Long before anyone has had a chance to post anything critical of the bail out, or even think about it, we have dozens of posts like this: "I am sick and tired of these nut case socialists saying "let it fall" or fantasizing about their glorious revolution! They are actually hoping for a depression to further their petty little personal agendas of revolution and communism, with blood and mayhem. All rational people should reject anyone criticizing the bailout!"

Cooler Heads Must Prevail

This is a variation of the preemptive attack. "Now some people will get all upset about this, but we need to all calm down and not go into panic mode or get too emotional about this." Of course, that pisses off everyone, so it is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is a particularly destructive and malicious approach though, because it places the blame on the victim, as though it is people's reactions to perpetrations that are the problem, not the perpetration itself. "If we all can just accept being robbed without getting upset, then it won't really be a crime" seems to be the "logic" there. "could you please stop bleeding and moaning after I stab you? That is only making things worse, and it implies that I have done something wrong, which is not fair to me."

The Dreaded Loyalty Test

"Our revered and beloved Democratic party leaders have, in their great wisdom, have caved in and rolled over and are acting like demoralized cowards, crawling and cringing to the right wingers. We must do the same, in order to be loyal and to support them. What, do you want the Republicans to win?" Every time a Democratic politician gives in to the right wing, or even says any little thing that is moderate, wishy washy, compromising, tentative or weak, there is a chorus of people yelling "That's it! Yes! Moderate, wishy washy, compromising, tentative and weak! We have your back! We love you! We will support you no matter what!" Of course, the politicians listen, since we do have a representative democracy, and think "huh, that must be what they want. I guess I will keep giving them more of that." Any questioning of this is met with "whaddya gonna do? Vote for McCain??"

Smear, Smear, Smear

When all else fails, personal attacks, smears and character assassination are next. You are a purist, troll, marxist, comrade, dreamer, socialist, loser, melodramatic, naive, impractical, unrealistic, fringe, far left, radical, ideologue, psycho, nut case, disloyal....
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:28 AM
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15. Well-said and nicely done!
Much better than my post. :yourock:
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:19 AM
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14. It's not a bailout; it's a fucking holdup.
The bankers and traders are threatening a depression if we don't hand over the billions. Will they actually do it? Hell no because it would hurt them much more than the average working stiff. But many are too scared to call their bluff.

"Joe, I am telling you that the markets are screaming panic. Yes, Senator Richard Shelby has his 200 economists saying this is a bad deal. But they are ivory tower kibitzers who have never sat at a trading desk. They have never tried to put a loan deal together or had to worry about commercial paper markets collapsing."

Puh-leeze spare me your tales of daring-do at the "trading desk"; how many millions did you pocket last year while contributing to this problem?

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