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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:32 PM
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'60 Minutes' With Story Of Delta Force Soldier Who Says Aided Bin Laden's Escape Is On NOW
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 06:51 PM by Hissyspit
CBS. Also, story on credit-swap market, and Tesla electric car. Here is my earlier post with background on the bin Laden story: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4167495

Published on Friday, October 03, 2008

Ex-soldier: Bin Laden was aided in escape

By Henry Cuningham
Military editor

A man who says he is a former Delta Force officer will appear Sunday on “60 Minutes” alleging that he was undermined by Afghan allies and U.S. superiors on a mission to kill Osama bin Laden in 2001. The retired Army major goes by the pseudonym of Dalton Fury in the report, which airs at 7 p.m. on CBS.

- snip -

In a video clip from the segment, Fury wears a Special Operations Warrior Foundation cap and has a thick beard. He describes Afghan forces listening to bin Laden’s radio communications: “These guys, in my opinion, were more in awe of Osama bin Laden than they were willing to kill him. ... They could almost see him and feel his presence and they just stood there with wide eyes and somewhat in awe that here is the leader of the jihad ... and they’re actually hearing his voice over the radio.”

The U.S. and Afghan fighters chased bin Laden and an estimated 1,000 al-Qaida fighters into the Tora Bora Mountains, near the Pakistan border. The United States wanted to let the Afghans fight while U.S. special operations forces provided support and directed air strikes.

“The mujahedeen would go up and get into a skirmish … lose a guy or two, maybe kill an al-Qaida guy or two and then they leave … almost like it was an agreement. ... Put on a good show and then leave,” Fury says in the video.

Fury did not like the daytime frontal assaults. "We wanted to come in on the back door,” he said. Apparently, someone in the U.S. government nixed an early plan to climb the mountain from the Pakistan side and surprise the enemy.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:33 PM
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1. Wow, I've always believed Bush let him go because of the...
...friendship/business relationship of the Bush and Saud families.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:41 PM
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3. That, and he needed a boogie man to keep the sheeple afraid and in need of his protection..
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:49 PM
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8. Yeah, I wouldn't put anything past this regime.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:36 PM
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2. Credit default swap story up first. n/t
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 06:39 PM by Hissyspit
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:47 PM
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6. 'they blew themselves up'
'criminal neglect and incompetence'

'a crime'


oh my, my...
dp
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:49 PM
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9. This puts the lie to the 'Community Rehabiliation Act caused the marker collapse'
meme that the Fox racists keep putting out.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:53 PM
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12. True - but 60 trillion in unsecured loans ie shadow insurance policies on mortgages
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:42 PM
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4. I have always believed Tora Bora was a front to allow us to use tactical (nuke-tipped)...
bunker-busters in live theater.

And I'll bet I am the only person on DU who has driven a Tesla.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:44 PM
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5. Whoa, hold your fucking horses hoss.....
....Dalton Fury? "Ex-Delta Force officer"? Speaking with 60 Minutes?

I call bullshit on this one.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:48 PM
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7. Well, tune in and we'll see. Should be some clues in the story.
I haven't seen any response in The Fayetteville Observer, where I saw the original story.

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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:54 PM
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14. I've tapped my grapevine....
...I'll get an answer soon enough.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:06 PM
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22. I added my liveblogging of the segment. He didn't really give any insight of why
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 07:06 PM by Hissyspit
his plans to capture bin Laden were nixed at Tora Bora. Not very controversial in that sense.

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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:52 PM
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10. That credit default swap story was *amazing*! The best ad you could make for Obama.
They finally explained this whole insane financial mess in a way that makes it clear that unregulated markets and greedy CEOs were the ones responsible. God, that was good stuff. Anyone who saw that is going to want a Dem in office.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:54 PM
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15. What I want is regulations and these people who did an end run around regs costing 60 trillion
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 06:55 PM by dmordue
without having money to pay for it investigated and sued.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:52 PM
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11. Breaking his silence because "most everything he has read in the media about the mission is wrong."
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:53 PM
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13. Dalton Fury is author of "Kill Bin Laden." 60 Minutes has used make-up on his face
and put him in a beard to hide his identity.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:55 PM
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16. Delta went to Tora Bora. Orders: Kill bin Laden leave body for Afghans.
Were to come at bin Laden from 'the back door' over the mountains from Pakistan side with oxygen.

Plan was disapproved at some level 'higher than us.'

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:56 PM
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17. Second plan using mines was also disapproved.
Fury pressed on with only plan left. Frontal assault.

His team only had 50 men, so had to depend

Mujahadeen leader Ali said 'you guys can't handle al Qaeda in these mountains.'

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:57 PM
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18. Mujahadeen would take ground and then leave, giving up ground.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:01 PM
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19. CIA guy came in and said we had location of bin Laden. Fury "found himself approaching bin Laden's
doorstep."

My decision to abort still bothers me.

He says there was too much risk at that particular moment. Better to go up and regroup next morning.

Afghans "were more in awe of bin Laden instead of wanting to kill him."

Some were better allies than others.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:01 PM
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20. Says Afghans pulled weapons on Delta Force group. as OBL moved into valley.
Edited on Sun Oct-05-08 07:02 PM by Hissyspit
Says bin Laden sent radio message that it was o.k. to surrender.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:04 PM
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21. Then bombing occurred. Fury says he believed bombs had killed him.
Canadians checked for proof six months later. No finding of proof of bin Laden being dead.

Fury says bin Laden was wounded with shrapnel and hidden in village for a few days and then moved back across pass into Pakistan.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:14 PM
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23. Bushes and bin Ladens sitting in a global tree,...k-i-s-s-i-n-g,...
,...for power.

:puke:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:15 PM
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24. Didn't see the show - who was ultimately responsible for bin Laden's escape?
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:18 PM
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25. cic or appendage thereto,...apparently,...eom
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:20 PM
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26. What's cic?
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:28 PM
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27. Commander-in-Chief
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:29 PM
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28. Thanks. I've always believed he never intended to get bin Laden.
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Texas Mom Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:38 PM
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30. I don't think so
Nah, just more pure incompetence. AND I think that paying millions of OUR dollars is exactly what's going on in Iraq. The super super secret plan Woodward so smugly talks about.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:30 PM
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29. Question: Who does keeping the conflicts going help the most? Obviously Bush's Base!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:39 PM
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31. Rumsfeld denied the requested 1000+ special-ops guys to assist
because the former Delta Force officer would have captured or killed bin laden - the Pentagon is directly responsible for allowing the escape. If they caught him, Bush couldn't sell the invasion of Iraq.
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