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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 05:32 AM
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Freepers desperate, ask courts to "avoid a constitutional crisis by halting Tuesday's election"
As seen on the main blogroll over there:

Supremes asked to halt Tuesday's vote
Saturday November 01 01:24:33 2008 ·
WorldNetDaily ^ | October 30, 2008

ELECTION 2008 Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications' The U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to help the nation avoid a constitutional crisis by halting Tuesday's election until Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama documents his eligibility to run for the top office in the nation. Democratic attorney Philip Berg had filed a lawsuit alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because of possible birth in Kenya, but as WND reported, a federal judge dismissed the complaint claiming Berg lacks standing to bring the action. Philip J. Berg The 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order from Judge R. Barclay Surrick...

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :shrug:
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:03 AM
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3. "Democratic attorney Philip Berg" ????
:wtf: Just because he's a "Former" Clinton supporter doesn't make him a Democrat.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:06 AM
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4. He will be laughed out of the hallway!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:06 AM
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5. John McCain Born in Panama, can he even be President?
The Constitution clearly states only those born in the United States may be President

This is not open to interpretation or overturned by the 14th Amendment as it is very clear in the Constitution that the founders were being very specific on who could be the President.

The 14th Amendment was not written to change the rules of who could be the President, it was to determine citizenship. Citizenship does not allow just anyone to be the President. Only those born in the United States have that privilege.

Although John McCain was born in Panama many would argue that he was born in a US territory and is considered a US citizen. Being a citizen is not the litmus test the founders directed when they wrote the requirements to become the President.

A territory is not the United States. The United States is one of the 50 states. If Panama was a state things would be different. However Panama is a sovereign Country.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1582.html

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:27 PM
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44. A special Senate meeting was called to give McCain the ok to run
for office.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:18 AM
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6. If at least one of his parents was an American citizen at the time
it doesn't MATTER where he was born!

:eyes:
rocknation
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:44 AM
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11. But would Michelle Bachman consider her a REAL American?
Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 06:44 AM by proud2Blib
:rofl:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:11 AM
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20. That's actually not correct.
The rules vary according to birth year, but, if only one parent is a citizen and the birth is outside of the country, citizenship may not be clear. It's complicated.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:48 AM
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34. Obama was born in Hawaii. He has shown his official birth certificate.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:24 PM
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42. Obviously.
But, if he wasn't and that crackpot could meet his burden of proving that Obama was born in Kenya, then it's not enough to have a parent that is US citizen unless that parent also meets other requirements.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:54 PM
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39. This is straight from ICE's mouth
Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 07:02 PM by rocknation
Generally, people are born U.S. citizens...(t)hrough birth abroad to ONE United States citizen...if all of the following are true:

* One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born;
* Your citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before you were born; and
* At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.*

Your record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of your citizenship. You may also apply for a passport to have your citizenship recognized...

* If you were born before November 14, 1986, you are a citizen if your U.S. citizen parent lived in the United States for at least 10 years and 5 of those years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.

link

I'm pretty sure Obama's mom would have met these criteria. More to the point, why would she have need to smuggle her own baby into the United States when all she had to do was visit the embassy?

:headbang:
rocknation

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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:28 PM
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45. Right.
Obama was obviously born in Hawaii and the freepers have their tinfoil hats on too tightly, but, as you agree, there's more to immigration law than having one citizen parent. Obama's mother was very young, when she had him. Perhaps the freepers are suggesting she was in Kenya or something for part of those five years. Who knows?

http://www.lexisnexis.com/practiceareas/immigration/pdfs/web704.pdf
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:29 PM
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46. There is a difference between "US citizen" and "natural born citizen".
Neither of which is of concern for Obama as he was born in Hawaii.

However, John McCain had tohave the Senate hold a special hearing to allow him to run for office. McCain is a "US citizen", but it's a gray area whether he's a "natural born" citizen.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:33 AM
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7. Link? n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:35 AM
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8. This is NOT a Freeper Act
Berg is a PUMA, and a damned insane one, too.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:43 AM
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13. PUMA?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:16 AM
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22. Yep. This is all over PUMA sites.
Poor Tellurian has hung his last hope on Berg.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:42 AM
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9. Here is what a delusional freeper just posted to me on a local blog:
Part 2
Submitted by Teikiatsu on November 1, 2008 - 1:27am.

I never had any doubts he was born in Hawaii, that was wishful thinking and too easy. But that's only part of the story and the second part has a lot more meat to it because part of it involve's BO's memoirs.

I'd like to post a link to the original site but as that seems to start locking people out I'll just past from milan.us which linked to Berg's website.

This may wind up being much more important than the silly fuss over Obama's birth certificate. In this case it comes down to whether or not 'natural born citizens' can lose ther citizenship and still qualify for the presidency. Assuming everything listed below is accurate it looks pretty questionable if BO is a valid nominee.

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Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1965, when Obama was approximately four (4) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up citizenship of and residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1965) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen. Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. Thus, where Obama was actually born and what his mother’s citizenship status at the time of this birth is irrelevant.

The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. During this time, Indonesia was a Police State. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School, a public school, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record. At the time Obama was registered the public schools obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.

Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien.

Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a governmental birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.

In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan’s Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men–jihadists–from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department’s travel ban list for US Citizens. Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon “taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state…after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1). Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama stated his citizenship as a “Kenya Citizen” when he applied for and was accepted at Columbia University. Obama has refused to release any records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School and any of his medical records.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15428#comment-41242
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:42 AM
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12. "Kenya citizen" how terrible, we wouldn't want that would we?
Next thing they'll be letting American Indians with dual sovereignty run for office.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:53 AM
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15. And ya gotta love the way the link wouldn't post
Yeah sure.

:rofl:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 08:32 AM
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17. This is a following post: Obama did not legally rescind his citizenship.
Have any of you "birth cert is fake" people looked here ?
Submitted by kcphone on November 1, 2008 - 7:16am.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

See, even if Mr. Obama were to have gone to Kenya and done any number of things unless he done the following ( I copied from the US government web site to save you the work of clicking )

B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation


Further
Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of section 349(a)(5), Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.


I don't suppose you have a copy of the document or evidence of Mr. Obama meeting with a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer in a foreign country do you ?

Of course not.

Cha Ching ... Mr. Obama is an US citizen and will be our next president. Get used to it.

And YOU KNOW I AM right. :)

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:22 AM
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25. Love it
:bounce:
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:25 AM
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30. They are completely wrong.
A child's natural born citizenship is a birthright and cannot be stripped away. A child may hold dual citizenships, the laws of the other country may vary. Once the child turns eigthteen, they may renounce their US citizenship, but that is not the case with Obama.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:50 AM
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35. None of this is relevant. Obama was born in the United States.
You can't lose your citizenship if you are a natural-born citizen of the United States. It doesn't matter where you move or who your mother marries.

Obama is and always will be a natural-born citizen of the United States of America. His birth certificate proves that he was born in Hawaii, which was a state at the time.

Give it up, freeps and PUMAs. Go find something else to occupy your sad pathetic little lives.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:21 PM
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41. I feel so sorry for this person
The US does, in fact, allow for dual citizenships, although it is not encouraged. As long as you leave & re-enter the US on a US passport, you're okay. (what I learned 4 years ago when I thought about moving to Canada.)

dg
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 06:44 AM
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10. Of course, not having the election Tuesday would be unconstitutional.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:51 AM
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14. How do you ASK the Supreme Court if it hasn't gone through lower courts? Possible? Or not?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:14 AM
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21. Berg has filed in the lower courts. And they always told him that
he and his filing were ridiculous.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:44 AM
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28. The court ruled that Berg has no legal standing to bring suit. No suit, no judgement, no appeal

There is no case for the Supreme Court to consider.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 12:52 PM
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36. Righty=o
An appellate court will nearly always defer to a court of original jurisdiction (in this case the federal district court that dismissed the claim) in determining matters of standing. Berg can petition for certiorari until he is blue in the face, but this case is over.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:55 AM
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16. The Bargaining Phase
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:26 AM
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31. Exactly
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 08:37 AM
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18. They weren't all that concerned when Bush and Cheney were living in the same state back in 2000.
UnConstitutional, then and now.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 08:58 AM
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19. never forget the ReThuglicans are totally 'Episotic' their whole universe is built around a delusion
they think that since their scheme against Acorn worked.. they can do it on a grander scale and become MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE..!! and that theme never wears thin, they will never give it up

they are constantly bang'n that square peg in a round hole..

they are lost in an Apriori loop.. with only one failed premice to answer every question in a threatening frightening world..

yes folks,... in their very little world the conclusion comes first and the Premice follows, that is why it is so confusing/frustrating to talk to them
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:17 AM
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23. Even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, there's no crisis. The supreme court would rule and if they said
no, the vice president elect takes the oath as Vice-President and then assumes the office of President. Same thing with McCain who ACTUALLY was born outside of the country.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:17 AM
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24. Create a constitutional crises to avoid one? The Supreme Court won't touch
Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 09:18 AM by MJDuncan1982
that with a ten foot pole.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:24 AM
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26. I heard this at work this week, and didn't know anything about it.
This UNION member listens to the FAUX news channel, and is certain Obama will be stopped before getting to the White House due to his citizenship. He also goes on at how MORALS are so important to him.

I didn't have time to respond anyway, but I did nail him on the morals issue, by saying that it's the REPUBLICANS who are the ones that have been busted for being pedophiles and closet homosexuals.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:33 AM
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27. berg is such a bastard. Just like corsi and all the other hate merchants, it will fall on deaf ears



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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:52 AM
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29. See snopes.com. Not only has Obama been examined by the FBI and political oppositions
opponents, he has been vetting by the American people, which is more than I can say about mccain's vice presidential choice

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:28 AM
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32. We're gonna lose! Stop the game!
BWAHAHAAH!
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:30 AM
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33. Please stop the tall black man!!!1!1!!!
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 12:57 PM
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37. World Net Daily is not exactly a real news source. More like a propaganda outlet.
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OHDEM Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:11 PM
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38. State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
From the AP:

"State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
19 hours ago

HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits. "

CASE CLOSED!!!!
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:07 PM
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40. After this, the next Freeper strategery will be
The part in the constitution that claims blacks are only 3/5ths of a person, therefore Obama can only be 3/5 a citizen. :eyes:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:26 PM
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43. or to declare that Hawaii's statehood is questionable
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:24 AM
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47. McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224_pf.html

The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.

Article II of the Constitution states that "no person except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of president." The problem is that the Founding Fathers never defined exactly what they meant by "natural born citizen," and the matter has never been fully tested in court. At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president.

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So a non-binding resolution had to be made so McCain could run for the Presidency? Non-binding? You gotta know if the Democrats tried to do this the SCOTUS would weigh in the next day.
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