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TedsGarage Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:08 AM
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What Will You Say on Wednesday?
As it becomes evident that Barack Obama is going to win, a lot of liberals are anticipating Nov. 4 as their Day of Revenge -- for the Supreme Court’s selection of Bush, the war in Iraq, the Swift-Boating of John Kerry, the Willie Horton ad, Watergate, the Taft-Hartley Act, Teapot Dome. Cowed and defeated for decades, Democrats are ready to use their Charles Atlas majorities to kick sand in the faces of GOP bullies.

“I want them to hurt as much as we did,” wrote political blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga. “I want their spirits crushed, their backs broken.”

“I don’t want to the Republican Party simply defeated in November,” wrote critic James Wolcott. “I want to see it smashed beyond all recognition.”

“The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him,” said Mongol warlord Genghis Khan. “To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms”

You get the point. Eleven o’clock on the first Tuesday in November is going to be the greatest sexless moment most liberals have ever experienced. America won’t just be electing a Democratic president, it will be electing an Northern, liberal, big-city bi-racial law professor who has written two best-selling books. If you were playing SimWhiteHouse, that would be your avatar. Not even Aaron Sorkin dared to concoct such a Democratic fantasy.

The Republicans are going to spend the next eight years grinding their jaws to the dentin, just like we did for the last eight. Won’t that be beautiful to see?

No, it will not. For me, the worst aspect of the Bush Years has been the way they made the political personal. Before 2000, I never thought of “Democrat” as part of my identity. It was just a way I (mostly) voted. I thought only kooks like the Spartacist League and the Michigan Militia took politics so seriously that they only socialized with fellow travelers. But that year, I joined my ward organization to volunteer for Al Gore. I was so devastated by the result that I would lie in bed some mornings, brooding like the kicker who missed the Super Bowl winning field goal, wondering how the guy who’d won had been locked out of the White House. I started snubbing Republicans: a dude in my running club, my brother-in-law, and my boyhood friend Dan, who smugly insisted that Bush was the only legitimate winner.

In fact, I haven’t seen Dan since 2002. I last heard from him when he sent me a Christmas card, with a picture of his newborn daughter, Reagan. (Yeah, that’s the spelling.) I threw it in the trash, thinking “He’s gone ‘round the twist.”

When I watched sports, I started rooting for the teams from blue states. Maryland vs. Florida? Go Terps! I bought a “Blue States of America” t-shirt. I wrote a whole book suggesting the Blue States had more in common with Canada than with those Red States. Even my dad said Hurricane Katrina could have been worse: “at least it hit a Red State.”

I don’t remember thinking like this in the ‘80s and ‘90s. I dated a couple Republican girls, and politics was never an issue. It would be an issue now. That’s why we have sites like democraticsingles.net and singleconservativedating.com.

DU has plenty of outspoken, politically-engaged readers, and I’m sure a lot of you have stories about friendships or family relationships that have been strained, or even broken, by the partisanship of the past eight years. Those stories would be worth telling here. Is this something we’ll have to live with permanently, or is it a result of the close, controversial nature of the last two elections? Will Republicans be just as embittered about Obama as Democrats were about Bush?

My biggest hope for Obama -- and for McCain, too -- has been that he’ll get us talking to each other again. I think the magnitude of his victory may be as important as anything he does in office. If he wins big, anyone who complains will look like a sore loser. There will always be Freepers and Dittoheads harping Obama’s “Muslim connections,” but maybe the rest of us can have a break from partisanship.

On Wednesday, I would urge people to say -- nothing. Don’t rub it in to your mom who voted for Bush in 2004. Don’t say “How does it feel?” to the neighbor with the McCain sign. That’s where a less partisan era will begin. Not with the parties, but with the people.

I’m not going to call my friend Dan up and say, “Hey, a Democrat won! I can talk to you now!” But I’ll send him a Christmas card. He’ll understand. And, I’m going to throw away my Blue States of America shirt. We can’t go on like this forever.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:14 AM
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1. Not much. My dad will be fit to be tied. Along with a lot of other big Repubs
in this neighborhood and most of my coworkers. It will be a very quiet victory for me. :-)

I just hope my dad doesn't immediately start running Obama down non-stop until the inauguration. That would be hard to take.

WE've had to declare a cease-fire for the week because his ranting was seriously upsetting me.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:15 AM
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2. This is dangerous stuff
This is precisely the kind of thing Obama warned against, and its hubris leaves me breathless.

There has been no win. There is no guarantee of a win.

Counting chickens before they're hatched is simply inviting the Universe to slap you upside your head and bring you back down to earth.

Don't you remember 2000?

2004?

Let's just go one minute at a time, deal with the reality, which is that no one knows what's going to happen, and see what happens.

I know what I'm hoping for, but I am not counting on anything.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:16 AM
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3. Not even the slightest bit of schadenfreude?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:20 AM
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4. I don't want "REVENGE!!!!"
I want my country to live up to its ideals again.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:28 AM
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5. I disagree...
"I’m not going to call my friend Dan up and say, “Hey, a Democrat won! I can talk to you now!” But I’ll send him a Christmas card. He’ll understand. And, I’m going to throw away my Blue States of America shirt. We can’t go on like this forever."

YES WE CAN!!!

Shaka Zulu "Leave no enemy behind you".

I will not be happy until their entire political world view, from their Neocon foreign policy, their supply side trickle down economic policy, to their theocratic tendencies and invasion of our bedrooms is so totally rejected that it is only studied in schools as an example of mass hypnosis. I do NOT wish to "work across the aisle" to "get results" unless such results are the elimination of those "across the aisle" from political life.

The radical right has moved the "center" to someplace near the John Birch society. Political "discourse" is now ALWAYS to the right of where it should be. It will likely take a generation to move it back to a true center...

Yeah, I'm angry. And the anger isn't going away because of one election.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:48 AM
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8. ...
:thumbsup:
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BlueGADawg Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:37 AM
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6. Hopefully.......
I'll just hang up my American Flag that's been in storage since 2000 back up.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:46 AM
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7. Can't go there. It's Whammy City. Still working hard and doing what I can to get Obama elected.
No knocks to anyone, but the race is still on. The right wing is not going to depart the field without a pitched battle.

IMO for now, *that's* where the focus should be -- on bringing this all into the Win Column, and convincingly so..

Just my devalued nickle's worth.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:50 AM
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9. I've been lucky so far....
I can have reasonable discussions with most people I know who are conservatives. Then again, I avoid people who are true wingnuts.

I call myself the "token liberal" among one group of my coworkers -- they are all conservative but have their reasons for feeling that way. We joke around, one of them showed me a bumper sticker they wanted to get of an elephant peeing on the word "liberal", I told them about my favorite button that used to be my signature line, and will become it again after the election is over -- "Vote Democratic -- The Ass You Save May Be Your Own" with "ass" being a donkey.

I do think I would have a serious issue with dating someone who was conservative -- at least, because I do feel very strongly, and many conservatives would dislike many other things about me if they had to live with me. I also only date people who have compatible religions, because I made the mistake of marrying an Eastern Orthodox with me being Pagan. We didn't have issues with it, but our families did -- his mother so wanted us to get "really married" in the Church, and I wouldn't convert. My mom thought his mother was an idol-worshipping freak (oddly enough she had no problems with my religion, or at least didn't tell me about them, but disliked the idea of having an altar to Mary -- my mother-in-law and I actually discussed altar ideas together, even if she didn't truly call it an "altar".)

The people who I know who are more members of the "religious right" than just conservatives are people I do not discuss politics or religion with, and if the discussion comes up I "bean dip" it. "If McCain and Palin do get elected I hope she is able to keep her promise to advocate for parents of children with special needs, God knows it's needed... have you tried the bean dip?" to the very nice lady who has a daughter with cerebral palsy and is very much pro-Palin -- the same lady who I responded with "Well, my family is Episcopalian and we really haven't found a church home here, we always went to the Sunrise Service in Little Rock, but that's a bit far away now...." when she asked me what my Easter plans were and had invited me to her church. She's a nice person, and I don't want to ruin our cordial working relationship by making an issue of the fact that I'm a heathen liberal.

My plans?

I've already told my conservative coworkers what they are.

I plan on buying two bottles of alcohol on Monday -- one a very nice hard liquor, and the other a very nice bottle of champagne.

Whichever one I don't drink on Tuesday night will be their present Wednesday morning.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 09:58 AM
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10. "What's next?"
With a tip o' the hat to the writers of West Wing and their catch-phrase for "President Bartlett."

The day after the election is the day the real work begins.

I'm trying to decide in what area and in what fashion I'm going to focus my political efforts. There are so many options I've not yet zeroed in on one.

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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 10:02 AM
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11. I will say it's a great day for EVERYONE.
Because even if they don't realize it, they will be better off.

We need to keep using every opportunity to explain how liberal policies help everyone. Keep it in their face so to speak.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 10:41 AM
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12. I will be saying......
Curse this blasted hangover!!!!
Who's brilliant idea was it to have Landslide as the tag word for our drinking game anyway!!! LOL!!!

Oh yeah that was me. President Barack Obama!! and two aspirins of course.
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