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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:54 AM
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Dole starting "robocalls" on Hagan and atheists


By MIKE BAKER
Associated Press Writer

Posted: Nov. 1 6:48 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 1 10:14 p.m.

RALEIGH, N.C. — Incumbent GOP Sen. Elizabeth Dole continued Saturday to question her campaign rival's attendance at a fundraiser hosted by an adviser to an atheist advocacy group, beginning a round of automated calls that includes clips of Kay Hagan trying to explain her decision to attend.

Dole's campaign began sending out automated telephone calls that talks about Hagan, a Democratic state senator, and the Godless Americans Political Action Committee. Dole's campaign said 1.3 million calls are planned through Monday.

Hagan has sued Dole over her initial television ad about the fundraiser, accussing her of defamation and libel. The initial spot concludes with a picture of Hagan while another woman says, "There is no God." Hagan is an elder at her Presbyterian church and has responded with an ad that strongly declares her Christian faith.

Dole said Saturday she didn't know whether her advertisement had succeeded in its intended purpose, but she defended the widely criticized line of attack.
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http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/3872730/

Fuck that disgusting piece of shit, Liddy Dole. I hope she gets crushed, humiliated and royally fucked, good and hard.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:56 AM
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1. Numbers show Hagan widening her lead since the first ad.
Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 07:57 AM by mmonk
It was a lid on her (Dole) political coffin.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:57 AM
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2. Are we living in the dark ages?
Can this be a true story in 2008? America has some crazy places, that's for sure!
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psomniferum Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:58 AM
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3. I look forward to the time
when Atheists can just say, "Fuck you! Godless and proud."

Dole, well, what more can be said about another republicofascist that hasn't been said before. These are extreme people who deserve to be pushed far to the margins where they belong.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:58 AM
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4. and , sadly, Hagan considers it "defamation" to be associated
with atheists. :(
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:01 AM
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7. She's been called Godless, and she considers her faith important to her..
I guess that's where the insult comes in as far as she's concerned. In reality it shouldn't matter whether she is or isn't, but this is the Bible Belt we're talking about and it's a smear in those parts.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:07 AM
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9. I think she resents the lie
of her being called "godless" herself (when she isn't), just because she associated with people who do happen to be atheists. Just as an atheist might resent being labeled as "deeply religious" because they had religious friends. And there's no doubt whatsoever that Dole intended it as defamation, knowing her target audience very well. Anyone who uses "godless" as an insult and a smear deserves to be consigned to the trash heap of history, which is why I donated to Hagan.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:10 AM
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11. I know. And that bothers the hell out of me.
I wish Hagan could have just said that some very good and moral people are atheists and agnostics. Instead she felt compelled to completely repudiate "teh godless". So infuriating.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:58 AM
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5. I will celebrate the day when it doesn't matter
whether someone professes a belief in a diety or not. If religion didn't play such a huge part in American politics stuff like this would not succeed.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:58 AM
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6. Congratulations Liddy, you've shredded your "good" name...
you're losing and you deserve to lose, you should have done it gracefully, but sadly you chose to stoop to the lowest level possible. Too bad, your reputation is gone...:nopity:
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:05 AM
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8. Are North Carolinians starting to get tired of being played for their religiosity?
I think they're smarter than Liddy Dole thinks.
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Nanceirish Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:26 AM
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13. As a North Carolina resident
I can only speak for myself, and this is just disgusting to me. Maybe Dole doesn't think she has a chance so is resorting to this crap!
Liddy Dole spent less very little time in this state and does nothing to support it. She basically doesn't even live here, why then should she represent us? I already voted and voted for Kay Hagan and of course Obama. Dole's statistics on time spent in NC. Any time spent here has been self serving or Bush serving, not serving the people of NC.

97 – Days Dole has spent in North Carolina in her election year, 2008.
93 – Dole’s ranking out of all her colleagues in the U.S. Senate in terms of effectiveness.
92 – Percentage of the time Dole voted with George Bush, rubber-stamping his failed economic policies.
61 – Number of Senate Banking Committee hearings in which Dole failed to ask a single question or make a single statement.
55 – Days Dole spent in North Carolina in 2003, her first year in office.
50 – Days Dole spent in North Carolina in 2007, gearing up for her reelection.
43 – Years Dole has been a Washington insider, not a North Carolinian, advocating for the special interests and their lobbyists.
34 – Days Dole spent in North Carolina in 2004, the year she spent campaigning for George Bush in eight other states.
25 – Years Dole was registered as a Kansas voter, even running for President as a Jayhawk before she thought to run for Senate in NC.
20 – Days Dole spent in North Carolina in 2005, her first year as NRSC chair.
19 – The number of dollars, in millions, Dole spent running attack ads to elect Republicans while she was the chair of the NRSC.
13 – Days Dole spent in North Carolina in 2006, choosing instead to help elect fellow Republicans from other states to the U.S. Senate.
She failed.
8 ½ – The size of Dole’s Ruby Red Slippers, confirmed by Dole to Kay when they met on Memorial Day.
3 – The number of political parties Dole has belonged to, changing party ID like some people change their shoes.
2 – The number of days it took for Dole to register as a North Carolina voter after Jesse Helms announced his retirement.
1 – Number of terms Elizabeth Dole will serve in the U.S. Senate.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:08 AM
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10. so do i.
Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 08:10 AM by barbtries
desperate times call for desperate measures. i hope she falls hard on her ass for her hypocrisy and dishonesty and disgusting pandering to the fundie element.

politics and religion are not SUPPOSED to mix!

but just because i wouldn't give a rat's ass whether kay hagan is an atheist (i'd be more inclined to reject fundies like palin), doesn't mean that the base to which dole speaks doesn't. hopefully there are rational believers in NC who can see just how UNchristian it is of dole to bear false witness against her opponent. hagan's taught sunday school for gawdsake.

eta i can't spell her name, but i voted for her!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:22 AM
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12. She should pull a Colin Powell and ask what would be wrong with being an atheist.
Here is a bit from Powell's Meet The Press segment when he endorsed Obama:
Now, I understand what politics is all about. I know how you can go after one another, and that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Governor Palin has indicated a further rightward shift. I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration. I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.

--Meet The Press


Hagen can replace "Muslim" with "atheist," "McCain" with "Dole" and "Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan's story" with "Pat Tillman's" and I think it would work perfectly.

Really, why does the GOP believe there is something wrong with non-Christians?

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:29 AM
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14. Goodbye, Liddy. Buy yourself a cheap Scripto pencil
and you and Bob can spend the rest of your days remembered as a worthless pen and pencil set.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 11:52 AM
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15. Ugh. I agree with your last sentence.
Revolting character. As an atheist, and voter for an openly atheist MP, I feel a bit personally outraged! People like her need to be dragged into the 20th century, never mind the 21st.

I would like to imagine her having enough decency to end up feeling some shame, after the whole thing has rebounded on her dramatically, and making an abject and sincere apology to her successor. But I realize that expecting such a thing of a RW Republican is about as realistic as expecting a pig to play the piano.

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 12:36 PM
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16. Public Policy Polling: 18% of Dole backers from 2002 now back Hagan
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Dole...
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