Raped 13 yo stoned to death in stadium by "Islamic militants"

[panzerfaust]

Because, reported Amnesty International, they considered that she had committed adultery.

Another truly horrible, tormented, and gruesome death brought about under the aegis of religion.

Of all the puerile, pathetic and savage superstitions in the world, the believers in the God of Abraham (Jew/Christian/Muslim) have likely shed the most blood of innocents.

I can hardly bear to think of how much pain and terror this child suffered during her death at the hands of the faithful.

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. So horrible!

:cry:

[BrklynLiberal]

2. There was quite a discussion about this last night..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4349640

[panzerfaust]

5. Last night I was not on-line, did not mean to dup

But it is so unbelievable to me that anyone can act this way.

I am completely horrified, and cannot imagine anyone doing such a thing unless they feel that they are doing the Will of The Lord.

Why we cannot put such savagery behind us is beyond my comprehension.

But, when the Vice Presidential candidate for a major American political party is comfortable going to a church which drives out witches, I do not think there is much hope for humanity.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. No problem. Not everyone saw it last night.

I gave you the link so you could check out the discussion.

[panzerfaust]

8. thanks

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. who among them was without sin?

:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:

[reggie the dog]

80. presumably the person who cast the first stone

perhaps they were the rapist too, it seems that rape is the womans fault there, her sin, not the rapists so that means rape is not a sin for men in their culture.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Horrible indeed

the tragic loss of life, and the tragic twisting of the teachings of the Prophet. This barbarity is more like that of the pagan Arabs who believed in female infanticide and the like. Kindly do not assume that all believers act as these do--they are fanatics acting as a mob.

[Dorian Gray]

74. Definitely not

I suspect that these actions are born out of place more than faith.

Regardless of the reasons behind their disgusting actions, however, what they did to this poor girl should be condemned world-wide. It's a shocking display of cruel savagery to a young victim of rape, and the only thing that could make this more horrifying for me is to learn that the man who raped her led the charge in the stoning.

[SmileyRose]

6. And Americans are all upset because they might have to get a converter box on Feb 9.

I am a Christian. Judge me if you must as a savage, but I would never support anything like this. I'm too busy clothing the naked and feeding the hungry.

[panzerfaust]

10. History is the judge of what Christianity has done

Not me. Not any jealous god.

[roguevalley]

81. history will judge fanatics. Any reading of any religion by the leaders

who formulated the philosophy will tell you that this is NOT what they wanted. this is bullshit perpetuated by fanatics in their names and I feel for the philosophers for whom these religions are based.

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[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Huh?

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

14. "stoned to death by muslims" vs "Islamic militants"

eyeroll

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. Oh sorry well I read the first thread on this so I knew who was responsible.

The original post on DU clearly stated Islamic militants.

[arthritisR_US]

15. if the facts make you hate them then don't blame the poster, burring your head

in the sand changes nothing.

[uppityperson]

17. Does differentiating between "Muslims" and "Islamic militants" mean "burring your head"?

Fundamentalism is the problem.

[arthritisR_US]

21. I totally agree and that extends to "Christians", "Jews" ...you name the radical

religious and I say BINGO.

[panzerfaust]

16. 'cause they locked me out of the New Republick ?

No: It is that I cannot conceive of anyone being so savage to a child unless they are moved by God, or simply flat-out insane.

I am trying to get people to look beyond hatreds, which is why I explicitly said the "God of Abraham" - who is the God of Jew, Christian, and Muslim - rather than single out "Allah," who is the God of Islam (and considered by Muslims to be the God of all People of The Book, though the other two Peoples of The Book reject this)

As religion has been historically, and certainly is now, a major source of hatred, I am trying, with my mustard-seed of faith, to move the mountain of faith into the dustbin of history.

Nothing to do with Muslims per se.

[uppityperson]

19. Then it would be good to change it to "fundamentalists" or, as they put in your linked article

"Islamic militants". Your OP does simply say "Muslims"

[cali]

53. what an totally idiotic comment. the op was very careful

NOT to cast any aspersions on a particular religion.

[uppityperson]

61. You missed the original OP subject line.

It did. Then it was edited to not, which was a good idea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Because it happened and it happened in the name of religion

I happen to highly dislike fundies, don't care what flavor

[uppityperson]

65. Subject line was changed to indicate militant islamists, not muslims.

That is what that was about.

[tavalon]

70. Nope, it's fundamentalists of any ilk you should fear

They are the scary ones and no one religion has a lock on that demographic.

[Dorian Gray]

75. Why not post it here?

It's a valid news story depicting the insane savagery of human beings who pervert the religious teachings of Islam in order to make a ruling that a 13 year old child should be stoned to death for being raped. It's a horrible miscarriage of justice and example of cruel savagery, and the actions should be condemned. We should not hold our tongues because people of the Islamic faith perpetrated this crime.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Fundamentalist a-holes.

:cry:

[uppityperson]

13. Could you change your subject line to "Islamic militants" please.

While I can hardly bear to think of the pain and terror of this child, "stoned to death in stadium by Muslims" is rather inflammatory rhetoric. Thank you.

[arthritisR_US]

18. you find the facts inflammatory so it's necessary to change the wording so

the facts won't be so offensive?

[uppityperson]

22. Even the article OP links say "Islamic militants", OP changed wording.

Or perhaps you are one of those who believe all Muslims are like that?

[arthritisR_US]

26. No, I am not one of those who see the detructiveness of organized religion. Thanks for

characterising me.

[uppityperson]

29. I asked if you were that type. Thanks for being able to understand the difference

between a question for you to answer and "characterising" you.

[arthritisR_US]

31. OK, I'm having a real brain fart moment and totally not in the comprehension

zone of your post, sorry.

[panzerfaust]

20. sure

But I expect that the "Islamic militants" simply feel that they are doing what Allah calls upon them to do - their religious duty, nothing more.

Will see if i can still edit it.

[uppityperson]

24. Thank you. Seriously. Fundamentalism, fundamentalist are a huge problem.

I don't care which religion, fundamentalists are a problem.

[arthritisR_US]

25. yep, and where is "god" in all of this blood thirsty misogyny? n/t

[UndertheOcean]

55. I read the Koran many times and while it details punishments

for stealing and killing.... Rape is never mentioned , not in one verse.

A rape victim is treated as an adulteress in traditional Islam

[Waiting For Everyman]

23. Thanks for the guilt by association.

I'm a Christian, and I don't even belong to a church. I haven't stoned anybody or burned anybody at the stake, last I checked.

You might attribute the atrocity to who did it.

[arthritisR_US]

28. does your church practice stoning? I think not and therefore your point is mute. n/t

[patrice]

35. moot

just helpin' . . . :hi:

[arthritisR_US]

37. thanks, another brain fart moment :-) n/t

[patrice]

40. I'm doing stuff like that now too; didn't used to, really, but now . . . ! It's the stress.

[arthritisR_US]

42. either that or my buggering off hormones;-) n/t

[patrice]

45. Cripes!!! I know about those too!

I HATE menopause. It's crazy and it's been taking f - o - r - e - v - e - r !! Almost over now I hope.

[arthritisR_US]

50. brag to me will ya...goddammit I have a billion neurons saying psst...look

at her sweat....they have betrayed me!

[uppityperson]

62. Thinking of them as mini-trips to the tropics is said to help some.

Never helped me though. It's been 7 yrs and they are finally slowing down. blah. On the other hand, don't have to worry about getting pregnant.

[Waiting For Everyman]

48. Gee, I must've missed that qualifier in your OP.

All I see is your broad brush. Not that it matters. Your bigotry is of the ok variety.

[Dorian Gray]

77. The only Christian church

in the USA that I could imagine would go back to stoning is the Westboro Baptists. They are scary, and as a Christian, I will denounce their hate filled invective all of my life.

Moot point, notwithstanding. (It's MOOT, not MUTE.)

[panzerfaust]

30. I agree with Dawkins, moderate - even liberal religion -

is what allows fundamentalism to survive.

To paraphrase Mao: If there were no sea, there would be no fish.

The basic problem is rejection of reason in dealing with the world, in favor of the Revealed Word of the Living God - a being who seems to have serious psychological issues that He has not worked out.

[arthritisR_US]

33. Finally, the voice of reason!!! I bow to you and thank you! n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

38. Here's a video for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNixch31wmo

[arthritisR_US]

43. No, I didn't forget to take my meds, reason doesn't need them but thanks. n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

46. Then any belief in anything is a threat.

A total absurdity.

[tomreedtoon]

32. Just another Friday night in Alamaba. What's the big deal?

Seriously. You guys don't get around enough. This happens all the time.

[arthritisR_US]

36. Thank you....isn't that the truth! n/t

[panzerfaust]

39. "...This happens all the time"

You are right. It does.

I wish that it did not, and, if enough people know about it, someday, it might not.

After all, the woman sold into slavery (also at age 13), and then, when "freed" forced into "marriage" as a concubine finally had her day in court, and did win.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/26/human-rights-niger-verdict

Sadly, the 11 y/o girl set on fire by her great uncle for wearing lipstick simply died.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/girl-set-alight-for-wearing-lipstick/2008/10/19/1224351021747.html

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. Somalia has no functioning government, so the crazy mobs do whatever the hell they want.

The only reason Fred Phelps's people don't go around shooting everybody they deem a "fag" (i.e. everybody except them) is the USA does have a functioning government. You know, that thing right-wingers want to "drown in the bathtub."

[UndertheOcean]

56. So , without the boots of government on our necks , basic human decency and compassion

does not exist ?

[fascisthunter]

57. Do you not believe Phred Phelps and His Ilk would Kill Gays?

"So , without the boots of government on our necks , basic human decency and compassion "

Who said anything about tyranny or oppression?

[UndertheOcean]

58. They are capable of doing it , but not with 1,000 monsters watching and cheering on.

I just want to throw up.

[fascisthunter]

59. oh... I'm sure we could find 1000 right wing religious fanatics in America

they are no different than those in other less civilized nations. And they are more than just capable... everyone is capable.

[LisaL]

67. You don't know any of the details.

WTF gave you an idea a 1000 people were cheering on?
From what I read, some people who tried to save her life were shot at, with one boy being killed in the process.

[UndertheOcean]

68. Thank you for the extra info , the OP's link didn't mention that

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

73. For 0.01% of the population, no, it does not.

That's enough people to wreak utter chaos.

[Dorian Gray]

78. And the fact

that there are only like 65 people in Phelps church, and they are all inbred Phelps family members.

[uppityperson]

41. k&r for people suffering under Fundamentalist whackos. RIP

[arthritisR_US]

44. TY!! n/t

[applegrove]

47. There has to be a way to stop such things. Surely all the men are guilty of

a crime against humanity.

[get the red out]

49. Religion always trumps human rights

that is just the way things are. No one seems to be willing in this world to do much about it. Here in this country no one gives a damn that the FLDS cult rapes young girls into a life of slavery and tosses young boys out on the street, and we are supposed to be a "first world" country. Freedom of religion trumps all on this planet.

[Berry Cool]

51. And you have proof of what the FLDS does?

Just asking.

[UndertheOcean]

52. Animals ,Animals ....no words ... and 1,000 people watched ? they just watched?????

Fuck humanity

[LisaL]

66. No they didn't just watch.

"Inside the stadium, militia members opened fire when some of the witnesses to the killing attempted to save her life, and shot dead a boy who was a bystander. An al-Shabab spokeperson was later reported to have apologized for the death of the child, and said the militia member would be punished."


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/child-of+-13-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-20081031

[UndertheOcean]

54. If there ever is proof that some cultures are inferior to others , this is it.

[UndertheOcean]

64. Link from aljazeera English

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/11/2008111201216476354.html

[DerekJ]

72. I would tell you what I think of you, and half the posters in this thread but you all won't like it.

Instead I will post 1 picture


U.S Casualties in Iraq

1 Million Of the likes of her dead or maimed for life. Oh the delusions of grandeur.

STFU

[fascisthunter]

60. sick

[bridgit]

69. Mm...of course it's horrible. But I don't think mixing it all up as though 'the people of the book'

are some kind of homogeneous 'porridge of the book', or that an "aegis of religion" serves the purpose. Some factions are clearly more violent, whack, bigoted and ignorant than others using then their twisted, spoon fed liturgies to justify the tragic inhumanities they visit upon each other,

It may need to be understood that clearly it's wrong but it is what it is too; in the 50's, my husband's aunt was part of a diplomatic attache sent to Jordan for the coronation of King Hussein. Within weeks it was made public that half a dozen men would be hanged according to Sharia Law. She gathered her little brood, walked them hand-to-hand down to the marketplace and watched them be hanged...until dead sending back clips from the local paper, somethings just are what they are. And yes...

As mentioned up thread, christianity has had it's fingers in someone's pie for centuries. Consider it too little too late, or insincere; but John Paul made an effort to apologize for the Catholic church's part in the rape of the new world after rivers of innocent blood. It seems other sects are in-line for similar understandings & apologies. Some are hundreds of years behind the curve, they're proud of it and they want to drag everyone back to where they are.

Me? I want it all to end. All the inhumanity, the violence, wrongful innocent death, random senseless chaos. And I don't want Amnesty International to have to work so hard. But in this world these kinds of horrors have occurred where 'the book' had never been read. There's a serious bent in this gene pool; a flood was supposed to have dealt with it but it didn't, and religion is being used as an excuse for expressing it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irshad-manji/honor-killings-come-to-am_b_111549.html

[and-justice-for-all]

71. religion sickens me..nt

[RetiredTrotskyite]

76. The Longer I Live....

the more I hate religious fundamentalists of any stripe. All these people peddle is hate disguised as either love or righteousness (Witness that song about the hand of god). They are very nearly always hypocrites (many of the leaders anyway, tho many of the followers seem to be as well). Religion is supposed to enlighten people and make their lives better, not be used as a club to force the faithful into compliance.

This sickens me. And the two groups fundies want to go after are women (uppity bitches in their book) and LGBT people. This woman was very probably innocent and if she was perchance "guilty" that is IMO a personal matter between her and whatever Deity she worships.

[reggie the dog]

79. adultery?? at thirteen????

what in the hell country lets kids that young marry? Was this in Alaska??? Women have to pay for their rape kids there because it is their own fault if they are raped....do they stone people to death in Wasilla too????? I thought they got stoned to death on meth up there???