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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 08:49 PM Original message |
School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners (FAUX NEWZ) |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. So is kindergarten too young for anti-racism, too? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Look, this is a very complicated matter |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It's not about sex. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Well, I agree that you can put it in "agreeable" terms |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. IT IS NOT A PREFERENCE. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Regardless of semantics, its about sexuality |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If you know it has a WRONG meaning, then don't use the term. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I meant to say "now" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Because it has been used to imply choice for decades. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. So what is the proper term... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It's a sexual orientation, not a preference. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Orientation? That doesn't seem much clearer |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Why the need to argue this so? "Preference" is irritating to gay/lesbian people. Not enough for you? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Thats understandable enough... |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
167. In the first place, you don't get to decide what is 'irritating' to gay/lesbian |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 05:38 AM Response to Reply #167 |
170. Ah, you again. The one who doesn't think "fag" is offensive because you use it. |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #170 |
175. There you go again,acting all Republicanny, changing what I said |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. YOU don't get to label US. That's the issue. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. But it isn't a label for YOU. Everyone has a "preference" or "orientation" or whatever it is called. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. No. *I* know what offends me and my brothers and sisters. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Regardless, its not a label for YOU, as implied. Its a label for a concept that applies to everyone |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. When was the last time you heard someone talk about a straight preference or orientation? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
110. Why do you insist on using offensive langauge? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #110 |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. "Fuck off"...that is always persuasive in an argument, Oregone |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #117 |
141. It also works brilliantly to label someone as homophobic. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. You're obviously not familiar with how it's used today . . . |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. No, Im really out of the loop on this one... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You and me both - even when it's unintentional. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. Which I don't think this is |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. *Ducking* n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Why was using this language equivilent to HOMOPHOBIA?!? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. It's already been explained to you. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. You don't WANT to accept that it's been explained. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Gee, I THOUGHT I did a pretty good job. Oh well. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
111. *yawn* |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. "Preference" in this context DOES imply choice -- how can you say it doesn't? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. I guess it depends on how you define "preference" |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #91 |
113. As if "predilection" is better |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #119 |
128. Look, then how do reconcile that orientation uses that definition if it is the wrong one? |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. You're right -- your "argument" is rather nonsensical |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. That is beyond disingenuous |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #132 |
134. How is it "disingenuous?" I used YOUR words |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. In no specific order, eh? |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #135 |
138. You continue to defend using langauge that is offensive, after the reason has been explained to you |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. You still don't understand why that "one word" is offensive? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Calling me "homophobic" is offensive to me... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Remember, YOU made that decision by trying to define as acceptable what WE find offensive. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. It's not wrong. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Yes, it is wrong. Read above for why. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I disagree with your point of view. Sorry. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Scumbags also use the word "the" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Such bullshit. You know that the word has implied meaning, but you don't care. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Look, NOW I know that you find offense with it... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Well, damn it, I'm sorry. I've been hit with that word by haters too many times. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
126. It has implied meaning in a particular context. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. 1) The context is exactly what we're so offended by. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #130 |
136. You clearly don't udnerstand this |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #136 |
143. Please show me ONE PLACE where *I* called the poster a bigot. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #143 |
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BostonMa (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. no suprise |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. Well, no, it isn't about sexuality -- not the way you are using it |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
108. You straight people are all about sex aren't you? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. What can I say, I like sex |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
163. NO, it's NOT. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
164. To complicate matters even futher, it IS a preference for some |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. So when DO you teach kids not to say the "N" word? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. To teach kids not to use LGBT slurs |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Huh? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. There are many swear words which are offensive |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. The card doesn't imply that anyone will be teaching the "whys" |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
149. former teacher here... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
105. Its important to teach them a bit more than its derogatory though... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. So it's not appropriate for kids to understand that some of their friends have two dads or moms? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I think you can tell kids not to do name-calling, period... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. As a teacher, you have to deal with it all the time. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. Look, that sounds incredibly reasonable for a response |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Well, what happens is this: |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. No, it's really very simple |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. Being gay is neither sexual nor a preference =-- maybe YOU need to go back to school |
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Lifetimedem (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
172. I agree |
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Lifetimedem (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
173. I agree |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
176. Um, homosexuality IS pretty apparent. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hey, even kindergarteners can and do parrot anti-gay slurs, so why not help teach |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. I'm a believer in crossing bridges when you come to them |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
92. Don't you think these kids have a concept of people who love each other? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #92 |
131. This has little to do with getting them to sign a pledge card |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #131 |
137. I understand - but the question was aimed at wtmusic, who doesn't seem to want to answer. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #137 |
145. It's something very much in the eye of the beholder |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Kids at that age understand "girl" and "boy". |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. I didn't interpret his remarks that way. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. This is in California, where Prop 8 is all over the news. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #152 |
157. I really can't tell from the news story |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. We're on common ground there. |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Good for that teacher |
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Veritas_et_Aequitas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't see anything wrong with teaching the kids that. |
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luv_mykatz (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bullying and bigotry need to be discouraged. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I agree. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. Well, I'm against any kind of coercion of a minor to make a 'Pledge' .... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. They weren't coerced, though. They were encouraged. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Encouragement is more or less the same thing to a young kid |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. That's a fair point. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. Good, then they can be forbidden to use that type of bullying |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I agree with you. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. agree, particularly about a specific issue they don't understand |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. And issues they don't have the conceptual tools yet to understand |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Being GLBT is not a "lifestyle". |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It is as far as a young child is concerned |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. This wasn't sex ed. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
153. If you say the word faggot or [pick a word] to kids that age... |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #153 |
179. Um, I didn't say to teach them the word. They are already saying it. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Explaining to young children that there are different kinds of families |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. The "B" in LGBT stands for bisexual |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
80. Teaching children that some people can love both men and women is AGE-INAPPROPRIATE? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Zhade, you can't have it both ways. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Nice dodge. So, again - do you think it's inappropriate to tell children that being gay isn't wrong? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #102 |
140. Were any of these kids suggesting that it was wrong to begin with? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #140 |
146. No, but wtmusic seems to be suggesting it's wrong for kids to know same-sex people love each other. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #146 |
155. Why assume they need to be told? for example... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 03:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
166. Can you be gay and only desire sexual relationships with opposite sex partners? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
123. Well? Going to keep avoiding the question? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #80 |
154. No I am not saying that. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #154 |
159. Um, the post you're replying to wasn't aimed at you. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
125. OMFG |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Um, being GLBT IS NOT JUST ABOUT SEX. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. You defined it as "sexual orientation". nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You do realize that also means romantic and other forms of attraction, right? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. sex education? What are you talking about? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. How would you explain "anti-LGBT" to a kindergartner? nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Tommy, we don't say "faggot" in this room. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. They were asked to pledge "not to use anti-LGBT slurs" |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. So, care to share the others? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #71 |
156. yes |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. A civics lesson, |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Agreed. nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Wait a minute. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. For some, being GLBT is only about the sex. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Deleted message |
wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. You want them to pledge to "not use anti-LGBT language or slurs |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. They learn as the go, just like everything else. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. OK, so you would have them sign the card before they understand |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Well, since kindergartners cannot read, and . . . |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. Who could argue about having kids pledge not to harrass people with |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Kids ALWAYS parrot the teacher. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #107 |
118. School pledges are pretty useless, all |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Well maybe I'm being too touchy. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Backatcha. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
127. Maybe it's your constant contention that being GLBT is about the sex. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Are you unaware that there's a very good chance some of these kids already know what GLBT mean? |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
158. Sure you can teach them that. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
109. Teaching kids to be tolerant of all other people is usually only needed when ... |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #109 |
165. Unfortunately, not necessarily. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
116. I have a LIFE, not a lifestyle |
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SweetieD (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
181. I'm with you. This is ridiculous. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
37. How is asking kids not to use slurs gay? Would asking them not to drop the n bomb make them black? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. they should be taught |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
106. Why not teach them to treat everyone as equals and celebrate differences? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
180. I don't see how you interpert that |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
162. "What's a slur and why would I want to use one?" |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. The language in this "pledge" is probably too theoretical for kindergarteners. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #86 |
161. Anything theoretical ... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. FFS, why does this shit always come out right before an election? |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
122. The Gays are really part of a GIANT REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #95 |
168. Gays |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
124. I'm inclined to agree with the school: This was not appropriate for kindergarteners |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #124 |
133. They were actually designed for middle/high schoolers, so you're close. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 05:00 AM Response to Original message |
169. Having Kindergarteners sign pledge cards was a stupid thing to do |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
171. Honestly the pledge cards are a bit over their heads |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
174. I see no issue with that... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
177. The pledge card thing is stupid but the educational attempt is good |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
178. Children shouldn't be pledging ANYTHING |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-03-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. "in every other way they're perfectly normal" |
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