Rachel Maddow on Thom Hartmann just now says she thinks that mccain can win this fair and square and

[SammyWinstonJack]

if not, she thinks that the GOP might steal this election. Damm! I am freaking out! To coin her, "Talk me down"!

[mucifer]

1. whatever...

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Hey I just heard her say this. Don't shoot me.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

2. I am really sick of her...

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Yeah , it is weird.

[leave iraq]

55. she doesnt trust the system

and I don't either

[peacebird]

3. good grief... Is she just trying to keep us all motivated to vote? Or is she serious?

aaargghhhhhhh -

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. You tell me, is she serious?

[peacebird]

9. Motivating us - keeping us from complacency. I will be at the polls at 6am in Virginia

and after I vote - I will be working the polls however they need me.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. I am not complacent! But she keeps saying this.

[crikkett]

31. Ha! Maybe it's GOTV for the other side

in a weird, twisted sort of way. She just can't be selling out. Maybe she's just reading all those trumped up polls and news reports, the ones that are all wet.

I'm hoping for a 50-state sweep. Take that, Rachel!

[L. Coyote]

21. Seriously, McCain can win this easily, with 5% better turnout in 5 key states.

The specifics are more complicated on a state level, but that is rough fact.

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Tomorrow will be a long day.

[ShortnFiery]

5. Now's not the time for doubt. Go Vote and help take others. It's too late for WORRY. eom

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. I agree but this freaked me out.

[Tess49]

8. She reminds me of the Debbie Downer character from SNL. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. I don't know what to think.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Get help, Rachel

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. .

:thumbsup:

[nashville_brook]

13. i totally agree. i'm not coming down off my ledge until the concession speech. period.

btw -- Democracy Now will be doing a live broadcast of election returns with Mark Crispin Miller tomorrow night starting at 7pm.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Thanks for that. I will be sure to tune in.

[Lex]

16. She's admittedly a 100% pessimist.

nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. Yeah! She is.

[Mike Nelson]

19. I will relax when he is *SWORN IN*

If they won't go gently, we may have a problem

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. I don't think they will go gently. I think they will fight an Obama victory tooth and nail!

Cue James Baker III to tell us the votes HAVE NOT BEEN COUNTED! And I don't think that mccain will concede. He hasn't the grace or class.

[daninthemoon]

53. I read something about the Supreme Court pushing through a bunch

of cases. I wonder if they have tomorrow's calendar cleared to choose the next president for us again. Kind of a sick thought, no?

[clarkgabe]

23. They're both being very Un-Dude!!

Yeah, her and Olbermann are both really starting to piss me off tonight. And I usually like them both, watch them every night. But, like the rest of us who want to help Obama, they both need to stay positive too.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. That would help, staying positive! I agree!

:thumbsup: And since we count on them to do just that........... we are not naive, we know what can happen.

[stillcool]

25. I had the same conversation with...

my husband earlier tonight. He said the exact same thing. His reasoning was that it 'is possible', so I should prepare for it. We're not speaking right now, but it's good to hear he isn't the only balloon popper.

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. Aww! Sorry to hear that. My husband tells me not to worry and let it go.

He says he knows that Obama will win.

[Poseidan]

27. for-profit media

Election day is big-money. Have to keep eyes glued to the TV, or those expensive super-bowl ads won't sell.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. hmmm!

x(

[madfloridian]

29. Rachel and Thom have convinced me....we are gonna lose.

Not an upbeat thought at all. Even Schultz was down today.

I think Rachel will be happy if we lose, and I hate to say that. She's been extreme about it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. So I am not crazy? Good to know because I thought the same thing about her.

[gblady]

51. oh...

I don't think she would be happy if we lose...
except she would have really ripe subject matter for the next 4 years...

she was gracious when her long held view
that Hillary was going to pull something at the convention
did not pan out...

I'm sure she will be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong...

some folks just can't let themselves hope or believe or dream.

[riverdeep]

32. Of course it's possible.

I didn't hear the conversation, but that's just being realistic. If certain groups of people just don't show up like they're projected to, it could happen; and it wouldn't require any more cheating than what's already taken place. It's unlikely, but possible.

[Arugula Latte]

33. Okay. She is just annoying now.

STFU, Rachel. Enough is enough.

[ailsagirl]

35. I kind of wish she wouldn't do that-- oh well, it's a little late for protesting

but it gets me worried when she expressed worry. I guess we're all worried.

[ailsagirl]

34. Keith also expressed his concern by saying sotto voce

something like, "Let's hope so..." after hearing one of his guest's favorable opinion.

[bridgit]

36. Yes my darlings...republicans *can* still win! It may not even take 'theft'...

But they can and it is folly at this point to presume otherwise oh blah-dee oh blah-da

[springhill]

37. Bullshit!

The only way they can win this election now is to steal it, like they have the last two. Obama has an even bigger percentage lead this year, and the amount of new voters registering democratic is through the roof; again. No, if Obama loses, we have been had again. The excitement level with Obama is unbelievable, his crowds are huge, McCain has lukewarm support from his own party; republicans right and left are abandoning him. He can't win this election, unless there is an intervention; period.

[bridgit]

43. I'm deeply honored; that after this entire thread you've chosen me...

to spring onto, springhill, especially perhaps in a climate where "No, if Obama loses, we have been had again." should have been proof enough :thumbsup: But today is election day, and it would seem I have more confidence than many people here including Rachel Maddow; in matters regarding 3-D space, and the ability to turn objects within it

[Overseas]

38. Rachel's just being sensibly pessimistic. Worst that could happen.

Worst = Republicans steal another one. She recognized lots of Republican efforts to reduce the Democratic vote count. Knows we will need an avalanche to get our landslide.

Rachel also thought the Republican GOTV effort in 2004 was extraordinary and if they had a super one this time they might be able to get ahead. Although that isn't likely.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Rachel Maddow is defeatist swine

Her constant yabbering on this point makes her a useful GOP idiot.

[renate]

40. I look forward to a happier, perkier Rachel early on Tuesday night

My suspicion is that she is 1) a natural pessimist and 2) acknowledges that a 2% likelihood of a McCain win isn't a 0% chance and 3) is concerned, and rightly so, about election fraud. It's not an irrational fear--we've been burnt in a big way before. This time, though, is different--the wind is at our back and so is the energy of the entire world. (And, fortunately, so are the polls.)

But she's right--there are paths to a McCain loss in the popular vote and a win in the electoral college. Those paths are extremely unlikely, and I think it will be a blowout of truly historic proportions, but it's not like the possibility doesn't exist. It's a teeny little possibility, but pessimists tend to see the teeny probabilities and see immense possibilities. It's just the way they are. I love her madly, but in the end, her opinion is just her opinion, even if she's on the teevee.

[riverdeep]

42. We regret to inform you your response is much too sensible.

Include wild jabbering for or against in hysterical fashion or it will be deleted.

[AntiFascist]

41. Didn't she also predict that Hillary would win the nomination?

Maddow may not have a great track record in her predictions.

[JVS]

45. I thought she merely predicted that Hillary would keep fighting and fuck up the party's chances.

[Nikki Stone1]

44. Greg Palast is worried they might steal this one too

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10804

It's November 5 and the nation is in shock. Media blame it on the "Bradley effect": Americans supposedly turned into Klansmen inside the voting booth, and Barack Obama turned up with 6 million votes less than calculated from the exit polls. Florida came in for McCain and so did Indiana. Colorado, despite the Democrats' Rocky Mountain high after the Denver convention, stayed surprisingly Red. New Mexico, a state where Anglos are a minority, went McCain by 300 votes, as did Virginia.

That's the nightmare. Here's the cold reality.

Swing state Colorado. Before this election, two Republican secretaries of state purged 19.4 percent of the entire voter roll. One in five voters. Pfft!

Swing state New Mexico. One in nine voters in this year's Democratic caucus found their names missing from the state-provided voter registries. And not just any voters. County by county, the number of voters disappeared was in direct proportion to the nonwhite population. Gore won the state by 366 votes; Kerry lost it by only 5,900. Despite reassurances that all has been fixed for Tuesday, Democrats lost from the list in February told me they're still "disappeared" from the lists this week.

Swing state Indiana. In this year's primary, ten nuns were turned away from the polls because of the state's new voter ID law. They had drivers' licenses, but being in their 80s and 90s, they'd let their licenses expire. Cute. But what isn't cute is this: 566,000 registered voters in that state don't have the ID required to vote. Most are racial minorities, the very elderly and first-time voters; that is, Obama voters. Twenty-three other states have new, vote-snatching ID requirements.

Swing state Florida. Despite a lawsuit battle waged by the Brennan Center for Justice, the state's Republican apparatchiks are attempting to block the votes of 85,000 new registrants, forcing them to pass through a new "verification" process. Funny thing: verification applies only to those who signed up in voter drives (mostly black), but not to voters registering at motor vehicle offices (mostly white).

More at the link.

[Lady-Damai]

46. Gawd....... Rachel Maddow is now on my shit list.

Keith is the only reason why I watch MNBC. Tweety gets on my nerves at times. I only watched Maddow because of KO. Not any more!!!!!

[B Calm]

47. It's her way of motivating people to vote!

[lunatica]

48. On her show last night she dedicated a large segment to our right to vote...

She told us how the Right is doing everything it their power to create confusion and fear about voting. She told us to hang up when people call to tell us to vote on Nov 5th. She went on quite a bit about how no one will arrest anyone for anything at the voting polls. She drilled it into the audience that to vote is our right, and that we must protect and practice that right.

It's fine if you get irritable about her penchant to worry, but at least be fair. We aren't FOX News here.

[Dogmudgeon]

49. WHORES! TRAITORS! VICHY DINOS! PINK TUTUS!

There. Now that I've said it, it's out of our system, and we can all relax and go out and vote.

--p!

[Not the Only One]

50. she's right

McCain can't win the popular vote, but he doesn't have to. All of the tossup states are close. You can't believe polls. They were wrong even on election day in 2004. This election isn't over.

[daninthemoon]

52. Amen. Why are so many trashing Rachel? In this instance, she is

absolutely correct, and if anyone doubts that the rethugs have some major tricks planned, they haven't been paying attention the last eight years. Really, our only hopew for victory is an overwhelming landslide that can't be tampered with. Fortunately, I believe that we are going to get that landslide.

[GreenArrow]

54. Well, she's right

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched. What was worst for me about the 2004 results was not the idea that they'd stolen it, but that as many people as did voted for GWB thus making it easier to steal. Consider that Reagan got elected twice, in huge landslides. The American voting population is not to be trusted any more than those on the Republican side who would like to steal the election.