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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:09 PM
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Attorneys, Scholars, Activist Groups Call for Impeachment
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/26054&Itemid=1

If Bush Pardons Himself or His Subordinates

The Steering Committee of the Justice Robert Jackson Conference On Prosecution of High Level War Criminals plans to demand the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush if he issues any last minute pardons covering himself or any of his subordinates. The president can be impeached and convicted even after leaving office.

The Steering Committee has released the following statement:

The presidential pardon power must not be distorted to include the power to self-pardon the president, or to pardon any staff or contractors of the executive branch, including the vice president, for crimes authorized by the president. The unconstitutionality of self pardons is discussed at length in "Pardon Me? The Constitutional Case Against Presidential Self-Pardons," by Brian C. Kalt in the Yale Law Journal, December 1, 1996: http://www.jstor.org/pss/797310

A self pardon by the President for himself or those who carried out his illegal orders to commit war crimes, said the Steering Committee of the Robert Jackson Conference, would make a mockery of the rule of law. It would, in fact, largely put an end to the rule of law. It is frankly inconceivable, said the Steering Committee, that the framers, who sought the rule of law instead of kingly tyranny, could have intended this.

The Steering Committee noted that Bush’s commutation of the sentence of Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who helped carry out Bush’s plans, suggests the possibility of an attempted self pardon by Bush in the future. Also, the famed journalist Stuart Taylor has suggested a self pardon covering war crimes committed by Bush and his colleagues. A self pardon covering Bush and/or his subordinates, however, would require an immediate impeachment and conviction of the culprits in order to disqualify them from holding any U.S. office in the future and to avoid setting an awful precedent for future presidents to pardon their own crimes and those of subordinates.

Groups and individuals wishing to add their name to this statement can do so at http://convictbushcheney.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Massachusetts law school Dean Lawrence Velvel will chair a Steering Committee to pursue the prosecution for war crimes of President Bush and culpable high-ranking aides after they leave office Jan. 20th.

The Steering Committee was organized following a conference of leading legal authorities and scholars from the U.S. and abroad convened by Velvel on Sept. 13-14 in Andover, Mass., titled “The Justice Robert Jackson Conference On Planning For The Prosecution of High Level American War Criminals.”

“If Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and others are not prosecuted,” Velvel said, “the future could be threatened by additional examples of Executive lawlessness by leaders who need fear no personal consequences for their actions, including more illegal wars such as Iraq.”

Besides Velvel, members of the Steering Committee include:

Ben Davis, a law Professor at the University of Toledo College of Law, where he teaches Public International Law and International Business Transactions. He is the author of numerous articles on international and related domestic law.

Marjorie Cohn, a law Professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, Calif., and President of the National Lawyers Guild.

Chris Pyle, a Professor at Mount Holyoke College, where he teaches Constitutional law, Civil Liberties, Rights of Privacy, American Politics and American Political Thought, and is the author of many books and articles.

Elaine Scarry, the Walter M. Cabot Professor of Aesthetics and the General Theory of Value at Harvard University, and winner of the Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism.

Peter Weiss, vice president of the Center For Constitutional Rights, of New York City, which was recently involved with war crimes complaints filed in Germany and Japan against former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others.

David Swanson, author, activist and founder of AfterDowningStreet.org/CensureBush.org coalition, of Charlottesville, Va.

Kristina Borjesson, an award-winning print and broadcast journalist for more than twenty years and editor of two recent books on the media.

Colleen Costello, Staff Attorney of Human Rights, USA, of Washington, D.C., and coordinator of its efforts involving torture by the American government.

Valeria Gheorghiu, attorney for Workers’ Rights Law Center.

Andy Worthington, a British historian and journalist and author of books dealing with human rights violations.

Initial actions considered by the Steering Committee, Velvel said, are as follows:

# Seeking prosecutions of high level officials, including George Bush, for the crimes they committed.

# Seeking disbarment of lawyers who were complicitous in facilitating torture.

# Seeking termination from faculty positions of high officials who were complicitous in torture.

# Issuing a recent statement saying any attempt by Bush to pardon himself and aides for war crimes prior to leaving office will result in efforts to obtain impeachment even after they leave office.

# Convening a major conference on the state secret and executive privilege doctrines, which have been pushed to record levels during the Bush administration.

# Designation of an Information Repository Coordinator to gather in one place all available information involving the Bush Administration’s war crimes.

# Possible impeachment of 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jay Bybee for co-authoring the infamous “torture memo.”
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:10 PM
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1. And me too! I call for impeachment!
:thumbsup:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:18 PM
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4. Me too! Me! Over HERE! ME TOO!!!
I've been calling for IMPEACHMENT since way before pelosi ordered it off the table. It STILL sounds damned good. You betcha.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:20 AM
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18. this is one dream I hope comes true! n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:57 AM
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22. me 83!
seems like i been calling for impeachment for that many years...
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:14 PM
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2. I can feel another impeachment frenzy coming on,
but there is no way I see a President Obama leading any kind of charge on it, or Congress either. Heads will explode here at DU when nothing happens and we can get back to trashing the spineless Dems in Congress. In other words, all will be right, just as it is wrong with the world.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:21 PM
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8. !
:thumbsup:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:57 PM
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14. That's about the long and short of it. I swear, here we are on the eve of not only a great victory
for the Democratic party in general but progressive ideals in particular - one in which we will also have a real chance at national racial reconciliation beyond the wildest dreams of just a year ago - and even on the brink of all that, we still have dreary axe-grinding over something that is not going to happen, period.

Some folks are just fixed to be angry - All. The. Time. Go figure.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:32 AM
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25. There will be many here who will be bitterly disappointed to find that President Obama
will neither lead nor walk their path of a vendetta to settle all the old wrongs. He is too smart and wise to do that. Millions of people who have previously voted Republican will quite likely vote for Obama and other Democrats and I am sure he wants to bring them into our tent. A strong and wise leader will bring reconciliation to this nation. A vindictive one who is out for vengeance will keep the country divided and will result in the Republicans retaking power. That's not Obama.

Life is not fair. In real life innocent people often get what they do not deserve and the guilty often do not get what they do deserve. It is an ancient dilemma. To naively believe differently is to court a life of bitterness and disappointment.
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:15 PM
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3. Bravo for sure
Hope they go get the SOB's and hang'em high....Be a first step towards making this country whole again.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:20 PM
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5. I'm on board :) n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:20 PM
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6. they should not walk away free, they need to be arrested.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:21 PM
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7. Convict and incarcerate.
It would do a nation good.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:24 PM
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9. Recommended.
No justice, no progress.

And we need progress, now more than ever.
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Patriought Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:25 PM
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10. Could this be a January surprise?
The enemies of America not only need to be punished, but they need to be SEEN being punished...If for no other reason, so they never try to pull this crap again.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:45 PM
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11. K&R. Thanks for posting.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:47 PM
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12. the question is will the next administration go there? Or go... lets move on
and that is a critical question
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:55 PM
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13. If the U.S. doesn't clean up its own mess
There are international tribunals that could take corrective or punitive action against a country that has so blatantly violated its treaty obligations and international law. If we don't have what it takes to hold our leaders accountable for launching wars and occupying weaker nations, imprisoning people indefinitely without charge or trial, torturing prisoners and detainees, then the world should.

And it can happen through nice, neat channels with rules of procedure, evidence, witnesses and the usual accoutrements of a legal proceeding; or it will happen through extra-legal means, which are notoriously inaccurate in targeting the guilty, and which tend to take down large buildings in the process.

What's it going to be, America?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:00 AM
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15. Big K&R! nt
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:05 AM
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16. Impeach the Bastids!
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 12:56 AM by anotheryellowdog
I've been pushing for this for what now seems like forever. It should have been done long ago, but I'll be happy to take it even now if I can get it.

NOTE: I added my name to the statement of the Steering Committee of the Justice Robert Jackson Conference On Prosecution of High Level War Criminals (see OP's link to same).

BTW, here's a great, very long running Bush impeachment poll - over 700,000 polled to date, and 89% favor it.

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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:09 AM
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17. Any moves in that direction should be considered an admission of guilt.




They need to be held accountable.

K&R



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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:24 AM
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19. Another question, will they feel that they have the time to go there ?
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:14 AM
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24. We can do it even after he is out of office
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:01 AM
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20. I've been wondering all day just how nervious everyone around
(inclusive of) Dick and Dumbya are these days. I always expect the worst of any politician, as well as a train wreck after the 2000 election, but the magnitude of what they've done to U.S. would have been incomprehensible eight years ago.

If there was ever a better argument against the death penalty, they've made it: Every one of those SOBs who colluded to destroy the fabric of our society needs to rot in prison *before* they're allowed rot in Hell.
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xochi Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 01:40 AM
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21. IF YOU AGREE with this
then add your name
http://convictbushcheney.org
and pass this around.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 06:14 AM
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23. And Impeach any other federal appointee who tries to obstruct
justice for political or personal reasons.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:51 PM
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26. Mr. and Mrs. Bush also call for his impeachment! NOW!
Here's the picture!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 04:58 PM
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27. K&R
Let get this going - immediately!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 05:05 PM
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28. Arrest, convict and incarcerate!
I want them all in jail!
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